This wek in Google alerts; story with Gaiman. The Urth list — 1 messages, 1 voices, 20 Feb 2011 https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/5979 Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact. ============================================================================== Andrew Mason — 20 Feb 2011, 20:39 > Gerry Quinn wrote: > Hmm, I have never been inclined to take Cyriaca's story as other than a myth > with perhaps a grain of truth to it. ?(Though Cordwainer Smith's future > history contains a similar event.) I'm sure Cyriaca's story has been embellished, but I think it likely that something like that happened, since it explains something which is otherwise mysterious; how there are a lot of cultural memories of our time in a world which is, in physical terms, immeasurably distant from ours. (Also, Malrubius confirms the bit about machines producing ghostly companions.) > Your idea about the Whorl cultures is interesting. “They *do* seem rather > more unique and 'ethnic' than one would expect from colonists coming from a > world which was surely at least as much a global village as our own. ?On the > other hand, the 'Indian' type culture in Gaon seems to speak the same > language as that spoken in Viron (or does it”). ?The Trivigauntis have their > own 'high language' but their normal language seems to be the same as in > Viron. ?The Sleepers do not seem to have any specially imposed cultural > norms. ?It is hard to put any definitive pattern to it. It seems that most people on the Whorl use the common speech, which I take to be the same as the speech used in the Commonwealth, and by the human sailors on Tzadkiel's ship; I suppose it was once a lingua franca on Urth, though in Severian's time it's not spoken everywhere. It seems upper class Trivigauntis don't normally use the common speech - at one point a soldier fakes unfamiliarity with it so as to seem upper class. Silk is puzzled by the idea of different classes in the same society using different languages; he asks Hossaan about it, but as far as I can remember doesn't get an answer. Some communities on the Whorl - presumably incuding Urbs - are said to use Latin. I don't know if it's actual Latin, or a language archaic in Typhon's time being represented by Latin, but in any case I take it it's not anyone's natural language on Urth, but part of a deliberate experiment. Although Viron doesn't use any language other than the common speech, there seem to be memories of a different language in the Spanish terms used for some official things - Ayuntamiento, etc. > - Gerry Quinn ------------------------------------------------------------------------------