{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/6016", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 6016, "subject": "question", "messages": 4, "voices": 4, "first": "2011-05-20T17:06:00+00:00", "last": "2011-05-23T04:44:14+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "<4DD69F78.8010300@irit.fr>", "from": { "name": "Sergei SOLOVIEV", "address": "soloviev at irit.fr" }, "date": "2011-05-20T17:06:00+00:00", "subject": "(urth) question", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Dear Jerry,\n\nI still have the problem - after our discussion, I sent a couple of \nmessages to\nurth at urth.net, they did pass. Afterwards I sent more, they didn't. Now,\nit is written that we have to answer to urth at lists.urth.net - I tried \nthis before, it didn't\npass, I tried this again, with the message below - it didn't. I don't \nknow what to\ndo, I am a bit discouraged -\n\nI include below two messages that didn't pass. I send cc to both \nurth at urth.net and\nurth at lists.urth.net - just in case\n\nBest\n\nSergei Soloviev\n\n\n1) (negative mass)\nIf we discuss Gene Wolfe's books and not relativity laws as such,I would \nlike to recall the explanation how the flier functions (given by the old \nautarch in \"The Citadel of the Autarch\"). It is\n\none of a very few places where I found the explanation\nnot plausible, and maybe even some misconception of GW himself\n(usually he is very careful with scientific explanations -\nof course they can be fantastic, but usually plausible in\nthe context). It is said that inside the flier there is\na certain quantity of antimatter. It is said that it has\nnegative mass and it is repulsed by Urth. The flier is kept\nnear the surface of Urth by force (ropes). It looks strange\nthen that while flying it remains within the atmosphere, but even\nmore - that it fells when it is hit by some enemy missile AND\nthat there is no enormous explosion when the antimatter enters\nin the contact with the atmosphere.\n\n2) (bridges) \nI have seen some very old bridges, my impression is also that the slum area\nnear the river, along the waterway, il low and often flooded, and the bridge\nat this side is much higher than the waterway - the entrance for carriages\nmay be much farther inland, this is why Severian has to go up from waterway by the\nflight of stairs. The carriages and people crossing the river mostly\nenter the bridge in safer and better lit area some hundreds meters\ninland, and are afraid (and probably would be agressed by slum dwellers)\nif they would not follow the \"main road\" (perpendicular to the river)." } ] }, { "message_id": "<4DD6A68E.9040203@gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "James Wynn", "address": "crushtv at gmail.com" }, "date": "2011-05-20T17:36:14+00:00", "subject": "(urth) question", "in_reply_to": "<4DD69F78.8010300@irit.fr>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Sergei,\n\nThis one went through. urth at lists.urth.net is the right one. However, if \nyou use multiple accounts make sure you are SENDING use the account you \nused to subscribe to the list. This mistake gets me sometimes.\n\nJ" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 5/20/2011 12:06 PM, Sergei SOLOVIEV wrote:\nDear Jerry,\n\nI still have the problem - after our discussion, I sent a couple of \nmessages to\nurth at urth.net, they did pass. Afterwards I sent more, they didn't. Now,\nit is written that we have to answer to urth at lists.urth.net - I tried \nthis before, it didn't\npass, I tried this again, with the message below - it didn't. I don't \nknow what to\ndo, I am a bit discouraged -\n\nI include below two messages that didn't pass. I send cc to both \nurth at urth.net and\nurth at lists.urth.net - just in case\n\nBest\n\nSergei Soloviev\n\n\n1) (negative mass)\nIf we discuss Gene Wolfe's books and not relativity laws as such,I \nwould like to recall the explanation how the flier functions (given by \nthe old autarch in \"The Citadel of the Autarch\"). It is\n\none of a very few places where I found the explanation\nnot plausible, and maybe even some misconception of GW himself\n(usually he is very careful with scientific explanations -\nof course they can be fantastic, but usually plausible in\nthe context). It is said that inside the flier there is\na certain quantity of antimatter. It is said that it has\nnegative mass and it is repulsed by Urth. The flier is kept\nnear the surface of Urth by force (ropes). It looks strange\nthen that while flying it remains within the atmosphere, but even\nmore - that it fells when it is hit by some enemy missile AND\nthat there is no enormous explosion when the antimatter enters\nin the contact with the atmosphere.\n\n2) (bridges) I have seen some very old bridges, my impression is also \nthat the slum area\nnear the river, along the waterway, il low and often flooded, and the \nbridge\nat this side is much higher than the waterway - the entrance for \ncarriages\nmay be much farther inland, this is why Severian has to go up from \nwaterway by the\nflight of stairs. The carriages and people crossing the river mostly\nenter the bridge in safer and better lit area some hundreds meters\ninland, and are afraid (and probably would be agressed by slum dwellers)\nif they would not follow the \"main road\" (perpendicular to the river).\n\n\n\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "David Duffy", "address": "davidd at qimr.edu.au" }, "date": "2011-05-21T11:49:16+00:00", "subject": "(urth) question", "in_reply_to": "<4DD69F78.8010300@irit.fr>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Fri, 20 May 2011, Sergei SOLOVIEV wrote:\n1) (negative mass)\nIf we discuss Gene Wolfe's books and not relativity laws as such,I would like \nto recall the explanation how the flier functions (given by the old autarch \nin \"The Citadel of the Autarch\"). It is\n\none of a very few places where I found the explanation\nnot plausible, and maybe even some misconception of GW himself\n(usually he is very careful with scientific explanations -\nof course they can be fantastic, but usually plausible in\nthe context)." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I think this is a deliberate wink to the reader. Ditto the mirrors. \nWolfe similarly delights in folk etymologies such as Ex-Calibor for \nExcalibur, and brand[ed] new for brand new.\n\nCheers, David Duffy." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "| David Duffy (MBBS PhD) ,-_|\\\n| email: davidD at qimr.edu.au ph: INT+61+7+3362-0217 fax: -0101 / *\n| Epidemiology Unit, Queensland Institute of Medical Research \\_,-._/\n| 300 Herston Rd, Brisbane, Queensland 4029, Australia GPG 4D0B994A v" } ] }, { "message_id": "<753277.39424.qm@web114714.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Jerry Friedman", "address": "jerry_friedman at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2011-05-23T04:44:14+00:00", "subject": "(urth) question", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "From: David Duffy " }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "[negative mass]" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I think this is a deliberate wink to the reader. Ditto the mirrors. Wolfe \nsimilarly delights in folk etymologies such as Ex-Calibor for Excalibur, and \nbrand[ed] new for brand new." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Another example, pointed out by Michael Andre-Driussi, is the Green Room.\n\nJerry Friedman" } ] } ] }