{
  "export": {
    "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/6046",
    "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it.  Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.",
    "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'"
  },
  "archive": "urth",
  "thread": {
    "id": 6046,
    "subject": "Donaldson, Moorcock etc",
    "messages": 2,
    "voices": 2,
    "first": "2011-08-07T12:20:59+00:00",
    "last": "2011-08-08T16:40:39+00:00"
  },
  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<4E3E832B.4070702@irit.fr>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Sergei SOLOVIEV",
        "address": "soloviev at irit.fr"
      },
      "date": "2011-08-07T12:20:59+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Donaldson, Moorcock etc",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
      "blocks": [
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Dear Jeff,\n\nI didn' t write that the heroes (or anti-heroes) - Covenant and Elric - \nwere repulsive to me. I wrote\nthat the books were (their authors writing style). I don't remember to \nbe shocked by the \"rape\nscene\" from Donaldson (I was not a teen), but I remember an intense \ndislike of how the\nbook was written.\n\nI glanced at the \"Elric\". I have to admit that this time (after many \nyears) my dislike\nwas much less, I was just bored.\n\nI'll try to explain. There is no doubt that Moorcock is quite an \nerudite. But I don't like\nhow he uses his erudition. To me it is like a badly done theatric \nbackground - the pieces\nof this and that squeezed into some rough picture.\n\nIt is told that Elrik is in some way antagonist to the heroes of \nTolkien. To Conan, that\nyou mention, as well.\n\nBut Tolkien used his knowledge of history, folklore, languages to create \ndepth,\nwhat is most impressive in his \"Lord of the Rings\" is more than 10000 \nyears of\nhistory subtly influencing the present"
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<CAJ8=rthWAeAOTVaT=ujSivTx0c0gx6m+ME1OQrCoLkSc3KH0ow@mail.gmail.com>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes",
        "address": "danldo at gmail.com"
      },
      "date": "2011-08-08T16:40:39+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Donaldson, Moorcock etc",
      "in_reply_to": "<4E3E832B.4070702@irit.fr>",
      "reply_link": "header",
      "blocks": [
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "Sergei SOLOVIEV  wrote:\nBut Tolkien used his knowledge of history, folklore, languages to create\ndepth,\nwhat is most impressive in his \"Lord of the Rings\" is more than 10000 years\nof\nhistory subtly influencing the present"
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "If you like that aspect of JRRT, you should definitely check out\nSteven Erikson. He is an anthropologist/archaeologist rather than a\nlinguist, but he uses his own areas of expertise, much as Tolkien did,\nto create a huge sense of the abysmal past and how it continues to\ninfluence the story's present."
        },
        {
          "kind": "sig",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes"
        }
      ]
    }
  ]
}