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This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 6049, "subject": "NPR Results", "messages": 26, "voices": 10, "first": "2011-08-11T14:39:45+00:00", "last": "2011-08-19T01:36:00+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Antonin Scriabin", "address": "kierkegaurdian at gmail.com" }, "date": "2011-08-11T14:39:45+00:00", "subject": "(urth) NPR Results", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "http://www.npr.org/2011/08/11/139085843/your-picks-top-100-science-fiction-fantasy-books\n\nThe Book of the New Sun clocked in at #87. Appalling original list, and\nterrible final results, but at the end of the day, maybe people will check\nout Wolfe after seeing his book listed here." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Greg Bates", "address": "gregory.a.bates at gmail.com" }, "date": "2011-08-11T14:54:54+00:00", "subject": "(urth) NPR Results", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Well, at least it beat the EU Star Wars tripe. By one spot. :-(\n\nOn Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Antonin Scriabin ", "from": { "name": "Lane Haygood", "address": "lhaygood at gmail.com" }, "date": "2011-08-11T15:09:50+00:00", "subject": "(urth) NPR Results", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "This has shaken my faith in the correctness of democracy.\n\nI mean, would it be SO terrible to force people into good literature\ngulags? Eighteen hours a day, reading away, lulled to silence by the\ngentle crack of the overseer's whips?\n\nI mean, people put \"The Sword of Truth\" and those drecky \"Forgotten\nRealms\" novels ahead of Wolfe and Mieville? They NEED re-education.\n\nLH" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 9:54 AM, Greg Bates wrote:\nWell, at least it beat the EU Star Wars tripe. By one spot. :-(\n\nOn Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Antonin Scriabin\n wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "http://www.npr.org/2011/08/11/139085843/your-picks-top-100-science-fiction-fantasy-books\n\nThe Book of the New Sun clocked in at #87. Appalling original list, and\nterrible final results, but at the end of the day, maybe people will check\nout Wolfe after seeing his book listed here.\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Antonin Scriabin", "address": "kierkegaurdian at gmail.com" }, "date": "2011-08-11T15:16:48+00:00", "subject": "(urth) NPR Results", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I agree about the gulags!\n\nAnyways, this list is especially embarrassing since NPR listeners have a\n(vague) reputation for being intellectuals, and a cut above the typical\nreader. Guess not. I see a lot of stuff on the list that I was really into\nwhen I was 8-10 (Terry Brooks, David Eddings, etc.), then quickly outgrew\nwhen I realized that there was vastly superior science fiction and fantasy\nout there. I think a lot of the voting that went into this list was fueled\nby the nostalgia of people who never \"grew-up\" out of the formative junk\nthat a lot of us cut our sci-fi teeth on as kids." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Lane Haygood wrote:\nThis has shaken my faith in the correctness of democracy.\n\nI mean, would it be SO terrible to force people into good literature\ngulags? Eighteen hours a day, reading away, lulled to silence by the\ngentle crack of the overseer's whips?\n\nI mean, people put \"The Sword of Truth\" and those drecky \"Forgotten\nRealms\" novels ahead of Wolfe and Mieville? They NEED re-education.\n\nLH\n\nOn Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 9:54 AM, Greg Bates \nwrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Well, at least it beat the EU Star Wars tripe. By one spot. :-(\n\nOn Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Antonin Scriabin\n wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "http://www.npr.org/2011/08/11/139085843/your-picks-top-100-science-fiction-fantasy-books" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "The Book of the New Sun clocked in at #87. Appalling original list, and\nterrible final results, but at the end of the day, maybe people will\ncheck\nout Wolfe after seeing his book listed here.\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<4E43F718.2020200@clueland.com>", "from": { "name": "Jeff Wilson", "address": "jwilson at clueland.com" }, "date": "2011-08-11T15:36:56+00:00", "subject": "(urth) NPR Results", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 8/11/2011 10:09 AM, Lane Haygood wrote:\nThis has shaken my faith in the correctness of democracy.\n\nI mean, would it be SO terrible to force people into good literature\ngulags? Eighteen hours a day, reading away, lulled to silence by the\ngentle crack of the overseer's whips?\n\nI mean, people put \"The Sword of Truth\" and those drecky \"Forgotten\nRealms\" novels ahead of Wolfe and Mieville? They NEED re-education." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "But who will spin the looms in the interim?" }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Jeff Wilson - jwilson at clueland.com\nComputational Intelligence Laboratory - Texas A&M Texarkana\n< http://www.tamut.edu/CIL >" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes", "address": "danldo at gmail.com" }, "date": "2011-08-11T15:40:05+00:00", "subject": "(urth) NPR Results", "in_reply_to": "<4E43F718.2020200@clueland.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "People, it's just a popularity contest..." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 8:36 AM, Jeff Wilson wrote:\nOn 8/11/2011 10:09 AM, Lane Haygood wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "This has shaken my faith in the correctness of democracy.\n\nI mean, would it be SO terrible to force people into good literature\ngulags? Eighteen hours a day, reading away, lulled to silence by the\ngentle crack of the overseer's whips?\n\nI mean, people put \"The Sword of Truth\" and those drecky \"Forgotten\nRealms\" novels ahead of Wolfe and Mieville? They NEED re-education." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "But who will spin the looms in the interim?\n\n\n--\nJeff Wilson - jwilson at clueland.com\nComputational Intelligence Laboratory - Texas A&M Texarkana\n< http://www.tamut.edu/CIL >\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Greg Bates", "address": "gregory.a.bates at gmail.com" }, "date": "2011-08-11T15:40:11+00:00", "subject": "(urth) NPR Results", "in_reply_to": "<4E43F718.2020200@clueland.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "That's what audiobooks are for." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 11:36 AM, Jeff Wilson wrote:\nOn 8/11/2011 10:09 AM, Lane Haygood wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "This has shaken my faith in the correctness of democracy.\n\nI mean, would it be SO terrible to force people into good literature\ngulags? Eighteen hours a day, reading away, lulled to silence by the\ngentle crack of the overseer's whips?\n\nI mean, people put \"The Sword of Truth\" and those drecky \"Forgotten\nRealms\" novels ahead of Wolfe and Mieville? They NEED re-education." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "But who will spin the looms in the interim?\n\n\n--\nJeff Wilson - jwilson at clueland.com\nComputational Intelligence Laboratory - Texas A&M Texarkana\n< http://www.tamut.edu/CIL >\n\n______________________________**_________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<683916D1-15E1-4A85-AE85-1D2C2E6383C6@gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Lane Haygood", "address": "lhaygood at gmail.com" }, "date": "2011-08-11T15:44:53+00:00", "subject": "(urth) NPR Results", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "All civilization is a popularity contest. I just wish smart things were more popular than pablum. \n\nSent from my iPhone" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Aug 11, 2011, at 10:40 AM, \"Dan'l Danehy-Oakes\" wrote:\nPeople, it's just a popularity contest...\n\nOn Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 8:36 AM, Jeff Wilson wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "On 8/11/2011 10:09 AM, Lane Haygood wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "This has shaken my faith in the correctness of democracy.\n\nI mean, would it be SO terrible to force people into good literature\ngulags? Eighteen hours a day, reading away, lulled to silence by the\ngentle crack of the overseer's whips?\n\nI mean, people put \"The Sword of Truth\" and those drecky \"Forgotten\nRealms\" novels ahead of Wolfe and Mieville? They NEED re-education." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "But who will spin the looms in the interim?\n\n\n--\nJeff Wilson - jwilson at clueland.com\nComputational Intelligence Laboratory - Texas A&M Texarkana\n< http://www.tamut.edu/CIL >\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<4E43F927.9080200@clueland.com>", "from": { "name": "Jeff Wilson", "address": "jwilson at clueland.com" }, "date": "2011-08-11T15:45:43+00:00", "subject": "(urth) NPR Results", "in_reply_to": "<4E43F718.2020200@clueland.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 8/11/2011 10:36 AM, Jeff Wilson wrote:\nOn 8/11/2011 10:09 AM, Lane Haygood wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "This has shaken my faith in the correctness of democracy.\n\nI mean, would it be SO terrible to force people into good literature\ngulags? Eighteen hours a day, reading away, lulled to silence by the\ngentle crack of the overseer's whips?\n\nI mean, people put \"The Sword of Truth\" and those drecky \"Forgotten\nRealms\" novels ahead of Wolfe and Mieville? They NEED re-education." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "But who will spin the looms in the interim?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "or er write the new books I guess. sorry, still decompressing from a 5 \nweek lit crit bootcamp" }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Jeff Wilson - jwilson at clueland.com\nComputational Intelligence Laboratory - Texas A&M Texarkana\n< http://www.tamut.edu/CIL >" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Matthew Keeley", "address": "matthew.keeley.1 at gmail.com" }, "date": "2011-08-11T16:00:39+00:00", "subject": "(urth) NPR Results", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 11:16 AM, Antonin Scriabin ", "from": { "name": "Lane Haygood", "address": "lhaygood at gmail.com" }, "date": "2011-08-11T16:12:28+00:00", "subject": "(urth) NPR Results", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Also, NPR only seems more intellectual because its competition is pop music and \"morning shows\" run by two aging burnouts named Jack Dingo and Toadstool. \n\nSent from my iPhone" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Aug 11, 2011, at 10:16 AM, Antonin Scriabin wrote:\nI agree about the gulags!\n\nAnyways, this list is especially embarrassing since NPR listeners have a (vague) reputation for being intellectuals, and a cut above the typical reader. Guess not. I see a lot of stuff on the list that I was really into when I was 8-10 (Terry Brooks, David Eddings, etc.), then quickly outgrew when I realized that there was vastly superior science fiction and fantasy out there. I think a lot of the voting that went into this list was fueled by the nostalgia of people who never \"grew-up\" out of the formative junk that a lot of us cut our sci-fi teeth on as kids.\n\nOn Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Lane Haygood wrote:\nThis has shaken my faith in the correctness of democracy.\n\nI mean, would it be SO terrible to force people into good literature\ngulags? Eighteen hours a day, reading away, lulled to silence by the\ngentle crack of the overseer's whips?\n\nI mean, people put \"The Sword of Truth\" and those drecky \"Forgotten\nRealms\" novels ahead of Wolfe and Mieville? They NEED re-education.\n\nLH\n\nOn Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 9:54 AM, Greg Bates wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Well, at least it beat the EU Star Wars tripe. By one spot. :-(\n\nOn Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Antonin Scriabin\n wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "http://www.npr.org/2011/08/11/139085843/your-picks-top-100-science-fiction-fantasy-books\n\nThe Book of the New Sun clocked in at #87. Appalling original list, and\nterrible final results, but at the end of the day, maybe people will check\nout Wolfe after seeing his book listed here.\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Son of Witz", "address": "sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org" }, "date": "2011-08-11T16:41:27+00:00", "subject": "(urth) NPR Results", "in_reply_to": "<52338ACC-9EC0-44E4-BD54-E74842C1D9E0@gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I'm surprised how much of this I've read. I didn't think I've read that much SF.\nSo, for whatever reason I've been tempted by those Elric books recently, even though they look like trash.\nAre they fun trash? Are they better than that Sword of Truth trash that was a bit of fun for a very short while?\nThey were apparently a big influence on a writer I've begun collaborating with on a graphic novel. I feel like I should know the stuff, maybe if only to know if he's ripping something off from Elric, hehehe. \n\n\nSon of Witz" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 5, "text": "http://www.npr.org/2011/08/11/139085843/your-picks-top-100-science-fiction-fantasy-books\n\nThe Book of the New Sun clocked in at #87. Appalling original list, and\nterrible final results, but at the end of the day, maybe people will check\nout Wolfe after seeing his book listed here." } ] }, { "message_id": "<29898BC0-1984-473B-B03A-7EE122494F5F@gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Lane Haygood", "address": "lhaygood at gmail.com" }, "date": "2011-08-11T16:47:04+00:00", "subject": "(urth) NPR Results", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "The Elric books (ANY Moorcock, for that matter) is in a different time zone than Goodkind's trash. \n\nMoorcock was a very subversive counterculture figure in the 60s and 70s and his books reflect it. Elric was written as the Anti-Conan, a sickly intellectual who concerns himself too much with ethics and turns to violence and demonology only as a last resort. But they are adventure tales in the grand S&S fashion. Still, they defined the dark heroic fantasy genre.\n\nI recommend all of the Eternal Champion books, actually. \n\nSent from my iPhone" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Aug 11, 2011, at 11:41 AM, Son of Witz wrote:\nI'm surprised how much of this I've read. I didn't think I've read that much SF.\nSo, for whatever reason I've been tempted by those Elric books recently, even though they look like trash.\nAre they fun trash? Are they better than that Sword of Truth trash that was a bit of fun for a very short while?\nThey were apparently a big influence on a writer I've begun collaborating with on a graphic novel. I feel like I should know the stuff, maybe if only to know if he's ripping something off from Elric, hehehe. \n\n\nSon of Witz" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 6, "text": "http://www.npr.org/2011/08/11/139085843/your-picks-top-100-science-fiction-fantasy-books\n\nThe Book of the New Sun clocked in at #87. Appalling original list, and\nterrible final results, but at the end of the day, maybe people will check\nout Wolfe after seeing his book listed here." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes", "address": "danldo at gmail.com" }, "date": "2011-08-11T16:50:38+00:00", "subject": "(urth) NPR Results", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Son of Witz wrote:\nI'm surprised how much of this I've read." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I on the other hand was not surprised to learn that I'd read the\noverwhelming majority of these -- 76 of 100, and that's not counting a\nfew that I started and gave up on." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes" } ] }, { "message_id": "<4E4408A5.5080607@gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "James Wynn", "address": "crushtv at gmail.com" }, "date": "2011-08-11T16:51:49+00:00", "subject": "(urth) NPR Results", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Isn't this the punishment Thecla had to endure until her execution?\n\nJ." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 8/11/2011 10:09 AM, Lane Haygood wrote:\nThis has shaken my faith in the correctness of democracy.\n\nI mean, would it be SO terrible to force people into good literature\ngulags? Eighteen hours a day, reading away, lulled to silence by the\ngentle crack of the overseer's whips?\n\nI mean, people put \"The Sword of Truth\" and those drecky \"Forgotten\nRealms\" novels ahead of Wolfe and Mieville? They NEED re-education." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes", "address": "danldo at gmail.com" }, "date": "2011-08-11T17:02:52+00:00", "subject": "(urth) NPR Results", "in_reply_to": "<29898BC0-1984-473B-B03A-7EE122494F5F@gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 9:47 AM, Lane Haygood wrote:\nThe Elric books (ANY Moorcock, for that matter) is in a different time zone\nthan Goodkind's trash." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Well, *almost* every Moorcock -- there was his ERB ripoff written\npurely for money." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I recommend all of the Eternal Champion books, actually." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I can't go quite that far.\n\nIt helps to understand that there appear to be two writers living in\nMichael Moorcock's head. One writes quick-and-dirty swords'n'sorcery\nlike the majority of the EC books. These are not bad books by any\nmeans, but they don't go an inch beneath the surface. These would\ninclude -- just off the top of my head -- the Corum books, the\nHawkmoon books, and the books simply labelled \"eternal champion.\"\n\nThen there's the Moorcock who writes elegant \"comedies\" like GLORIANA,\nthe Pyat quartet, and \"the Dancers at the End of Time.\" These are\nremarkably good books, full of satire and wit. And there are quite a\nfew of them -- I want to mention BEHOLD THE MAN, and THE WARHOUND AND\nTHE WORLD'S PAIN, and the Oswald Bastable books (which are steampunk),\nand BREAKFAST IN THE RUINS, and and and...\n\nBut, somewhere in the middle of these, are Elric and Jerry Cornelius\n... oh my. Elric is a witty swords'n'sorcery series, almost a parody\nof s&s, but never failing to take its matter seriously in context. And\nJerry Cornelius... well, some days I think Cornelius is Moorcock's\ncrowning achievement; other days I think it's a vast hoax. Either way,\nI wouldn't be without the ten or so books that constitute the greater\nCornelius Chronicles. Amazing stuff.\n\nTo make things more confusing, Elric interacts with characters from\nboth the \"lower\" tier and the \"upper\" tier (appearing now with Corum\nand Hawkmoon, and then in the End of Time...), and both of them (as\nwell as a few characters in the \"upper\" tier) are aspects of that\ndamned Eternal Champion." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes" } ] }, { "message_id": "<8EE014E595494325897A9A8CC0CA20A6@butcherbaker.org>", "from": { "name": "Son of Witz", "address": "sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org" }, "date": "2011-08-11T17:39:02+00:00", "subject": "(urth) NPR Results", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Thursday, August 11, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote: \nOn Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 9:47 AM, Lane Haygood wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "The Elric books (ANY Moorcock, for that matter) is in a different time zone\nthan Goodkind's trash." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Well, *almost* every Moorcock -- there was his ERB ripoff written\npurely for money." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "I recommend all of the Eternal Champion books, actually." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I can't go quite that far.\n\nIt helps to understand that there appear to be two writers living in\nMichael Moorcock's head. One writes quick-and-dirty swords'n'sorcery\nlike the majority of the EC books. These are not bad books by any\nmeans, but they don't go an inch beneath the surface. These would\ninclude -- just off the top of my head -- the Corum books, the\nHawkmoon books, and the books simply labelled \"eternal champion.\"\n\nThen there's the Moorcock who writes elegant \"comedies\" like GLORIANA,\nthe Pyat quartet, and \"the Dancers at the End of Time.\" These are\nremarkably good books, full of satire and wit. And there are quite a\nfew of them -- I want to mention BEHOLD THE MAN, and THE WARHOUND AND\nTHE WORLD'S PAIN, and the Oswald Bastable books (which are steampunk),\nand BREAKFAST IN THE RUINS, and and and...\n\nBut, somewhere in the middle of these, are Elric and Jerry Cornelius\n... oh my. Elric is a witty swords'n'sorcery series, almost a parody\nof s&s, but never failing to take its matter seriously in context. And\nJerry Cornelius... well, some days I think Cornelius is Moorcock's\ncrowning achievement; other days I think it's a vast hoax. Either way,\nI wouldn't be without the ten or so books that constitute the greater\nCornelius Chronicles. Amazing stuff.\n\nTo make things more confusing, Elric interacts with characters from\nboth the \"lower\" tier and the \"upper\" tier (appearing now with Corum\nand Hawkmoon, and then in the End of Time...), and both of them (as\nwell as a few characters in the \"upper\" tier) are aspects of that\ndamned Eternal Champion.\n\n-- \nDan'l Danehy-Oakes" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Thanks. \nI'll definitely need me some Moorcock :D \nI also found some Elric comics but I haven't read them yet. \n\n~witz" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes", "address": "danldo at gmail.com" }, "date": "2011-08-11T17:48:22+00:00", "subject": "(urth) NPR Results", "in_reply_to": "<8EE014E595494325897A9A8CC0CA20A6@butcherbaker.org>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Son of Witz\n wrote:\nThanks.\nI'll definitely need me some Moorcock :D\nI also found some Elric comics but I haven't read them yet." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "If they're the ones published in the '80s by Pacific/First Comics,\nthey're very true to the stories." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Son of Witz", "address": "sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org" }, "date": "2011-08-11T17:53:03+00:00", "subject": "(urth) NPR Results", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Thursday, August 11, 2011 at 10:48 AM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:\nOn Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Son of Witz\n wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Thanks.\nI'll definitely need me some Moorcock :D\nI also found some Elric comics but I haven't read them yet." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "If they're the ones published in the '80s by Pacific/First Comics,\nthey're very true to the stories.\n-- \nDan'l Danehy-Oakes" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I don't know the date but they have digital coloring, so they're not that old.\nThey're written by Moorcock though. Walter Simonson art. They look promising enough." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes", "address": "danldo at gmail.com" }, "date": "2011-08-11T17:55:34+00:00", "subject": "(urth) NPR Results", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Hunh. Not the ones I'm familiar with. Simonson art, eh..." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Son of Witz\n wrote:\nOn Thursday, August 11, 2011 at 10:48 AM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:\n\nOn Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Son of Witz\n wrote:\n\nThanks.\nI'll definitely need me some Moorcock :D\nI also found some Elric comics but I haven't read them yet.\n\nIf they're the ones published in the '80s by Pacific/First Comics,\nthey're very true to the stories.\n--\nDan'l Danehy-Oakes\n\n\nI don't know the date but they have digital coloring, so they're not that\nold.\nThey're written by Moorcock though. Walter Simonson art. ?They look\npromising enough.\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Son of Witz", "address": "sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org" }, "date": "2011-08-11T18:00:07+00:00", "subject": "(urth) NPR Results", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Thursday, August 11, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:\nHunh. Not the ones I'm familiar with. Simonson art, eh..." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "yeah. I don't love his art, but it's solid enough." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes", "address": "danldo at gmail.com" }, "date": "2011-08-11T18:01:35+00:00", "subject": "(urth) NPR Results", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "H'mmm. I've liked his art since his run on \"Thor.\" Granted, he's not\nin my top ten or anything but his art definitely gets the job done." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Son of Witz\n wrote:\n\nOn Thursday, August 11, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:\n\nHunh. Not the ones I'm familiar with. Simonson art, eh...\n\n\nyeah. I don't love his art, but it's solid enough.\n\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<1313125859.37055.YahooMailNeo@web114716.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Jerry Friedman", "address": "jerry_friedman at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2011-08-12T05:10:59+00:00", "subject": "(urth) NPR Results", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "From: Lane Haygood \nTo: The Urth Mailing List \nSent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 9:09 AM\nSubject: Re: (urth) NPR Results\n\nThis has shaken my faith in the correctness of democracy.\n\nI mean, would it be SO terrible to force people into good literature\ngulags? Eighteen hours a day, reading away, lulled to silence by the\ngentle crack of the overseer's whips?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "...\n\nThe overseers being Seekers of Taste and Penitence?\n\nJerry Friedman" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Lane Haygood", "address": "lhaygood at gmail.com" }, "date": "2011-08-12T05:28:41+00:00", "subject": "(urth) NPR Results", "in_reply_to": "<1313125859.37055.YahooMailNeo@web114716.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "The overseers being Seekers of Taste and Penitence?\n\nJerry Friedman" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Papa Gene would't have it any other way." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Gerry Quinn", "address": "gerry at bindweed.com" }, "date": "2011-08-12T09:02:05+00:00", "subject": "(urth) NPR Results", "in_reply_to": "<29898BC0-1984-473B-B03A-7EE122494F5F@gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "----- Original Message ----- \nFrom: Lane Haygood " }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Moorcock was a very subversive counterculture figure in the 60s and 70s \nand his books reflect it. Elric was written as the Anti-Conan, a sickly \nintellectual who concerns himself too much with ethics and turns to violence \nand demonology only as a last resort. " }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "The Hamlet of Swords and Sorcery?" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I recommend all of the Eternal Champion books, actually. " }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I have maybe a blind spot for Moorcock. The Jerry Cornelius and related stuff turned me off, and much of the rest seemed slight. Probably I should take another look. \n\nI actually liked his non-SF effort, _Mother London_.\n\n- Gerry Quinn" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Antonin Scriabin", "address": "kierkegaurdian at gmail.com" }, "date": "2011-08-19T01:36:00+00:00", "subject": "(urth) NPR Results", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "That is very fun! I might bump Home Fires up a notch or two on my\nWolfe-to-read list." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 5:02 AM, Gerry Quinn wrote:\n**\n ----- Original Message -----\n*From:* Lane Haygood " }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Moorcock was a very subversive counterculture figure in the 60s and 70s\nand his books reflect it. Elric was written as the Anti-Conan, a sickly\nintellectual who concerns himself too much with ethics and turns to\nviolence\nand demonology only as a last resort." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "The Hamlet of Swords and Sorcery?" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "I recommend all of the Eternal Champion books, actually." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I have maybe a blind spot for Moorcock. The Jerry Cornelius and related\nstuff turned me off, and much of the rest seemed slight. Probably I should\ntake another look.\n\nI actually liked his non-SF effort, _Mother London_.\n\n- Gerry Quinn\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] } ] }