{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/6051", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 6051, "subject": "Septimius Severus, Quadrifons", "messages": 4, "voices": 3, "first": "2011-08-20T22:38:27+00:00", "last": "2011-08-24T09:13:08+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "<4E503763.2090605@gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "António Pedro Marques", "address": "entonio at gmail.com" }, "date": "2011-08-20T22:38:27+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Septimius Severus, Quadrifons", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Sorry if this have been brought up before.\n\nSeptimius Severus's triumphal arch in Leptis Magna (Libya) is an arcus \nquadrifons, i.e. a square with an arch in each side. I don't know whether \nsuch arches were normal or rare; another one is one that is tought to have \nbeen erected by Constantine, but for no known purposes.\n\nhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Leptis_Magna_Arch_of_Septimus_Severus.jpg\nhttp://www.livius.org/ro-rz/rome/rome_arch_janus.html" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Lee Berman", "address": "severiansola at hotmail.com" }, "date": "2011-08-22T13:10:26+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Septimius Severus, Quadrifons", "in_reply_to": "<4E503763.2090605@gmail.com>", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Antonio Pedro Marques: " }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Septimius Severus's triumphal arch in Leptis Magna (Libya) is an arcus \nquadrifons, i.e. a square with an arch in each side. I don't know whether \nsuch arches were normal or rare; another one is one that is tought to have \nbeen erected by Constantine, but for no known purposes." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Well, I don't know a lot about architecture but I remember the Arc de Triomphe \nin Paris being quadrifronic http://middlezonemusings.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/arc-de-triomphe.jpg\nAnd it is based on the Arch of Titus, in Rome. So, I'd guess it is a pretty \nstandard form.\n \nWith regard to its significance in Short Sun, I think this blurb from Wikipedia\nabout Janus Quadrifrons might tie the reference to the concept of planetary and\nuniversal destruction and rebirth which was introduced in BotNS. Perhaps the \nWhorl is meant to show us a faster cycling version of the planets which, in turn, \nare faster cycling models of the universe." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "QUADRIFRONS:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Quadrifrons is believed to be the fourth face of the God Janus and represents an \naspect of the God's attitude and life-cycle. Quadrifrons represents death and \ndestruction or the end of the life-cycle while Trifrons represents wisdom and \nBifrons represents virility thus completing the beginning-to-end cycle that \nbegins with Janus itself." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "António Marques", "address": "entonio at gmail.com" }, "date": "2011-08-24T00:12:02+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Septimius Severus, Quadrifons", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 22 August 2011 14:10, Lee Berman wrote:\nAntonio Pedro Marques:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Septimius Severus's triumphal arch in Leptis Magna (Libya) is an arcus\nquadrifons, i.e. a square with an arch in each side. I don't know whether\nsuch arches were normal or rare; another one is one that is tought to have\nbeen erected by Constantine, but for no known purposes." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Well, I don't know a lot about architecture but I remember the Arc de Triomphe\nin Paris being quadrifronic http://middlezonemusings.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/arc-de-triomphe.jpg\nAnd it is based on the Arch of Titus, in Rome. ?So, I'd guess it is a pretty\nstandard form." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "No, the severin and the possibly constantinian ones really are square,\nall faces being the same size." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "With regard to its significance in Short Sun, I think this blurb from Wikipedia\nabout Janus Quadrifrons might tie the reference to the concept of planetary and\nuniversal destruction and rebirth which was introduced in BotNS (...)" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Yes; I just found it interesting that Severus's name (I never saw an\nexplanation for Severian's name, and for whatever reason I expected\none) and possibly the first christian emperor were associated to the\nword 'quadrifons'." } ] }, { "message_id": "<684242.38033.qm@smtp821.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Mo Holkar", "address": "lists at ukg.co.uk" }, "date": "2011-08-24T09:13:08+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Septimius Severus, Quadrifons", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "At 01:12 24/08/2011, Ant?nio wrote:\n(I never saw an\nexplanation for Severian's name, and for whatever reason I expected\none)" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "There has been a bit of discussion relating \nSeverian's name to the character Severin in \nSacher-Masoch's Venus in Furs\n Wolfe being Wolfe, \nthere are likely several strands of reference brought together in the name.\n\n(According to LU, there are 5 saints so named.)\n\nbest,\n\nMo\n\n\n# ~ # ~ #\n\nWolfeWiki -- a wiki about Gene Wolfe\nhttp://www.wolfewiki.com/pmwiki/ " } ] } ] }