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This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 6088, "subject": "Horn's abilities", "messages": 5, "voices": 4, "first": "2011-10-26T16:53:43+00:00", "last": "2011-10-26T18:44:10+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Andrew Mason", "address": "andrew.mason53 at googlemail.com" }, "date": "2011-10-26T16:53:43+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Horn's abilities", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Daniel Petersen wrote:\nWhat's the deal with it being semi-physical? “Is it 'out of body' even\nthough you can physically influence stuff in the place you 'go' to” ?It's\none of the weirdest things I've ever seen (because it's not as simple as\ntime travel on one hand or visions on the other, etc.). ?And Wolfe's\nintroduction and development of it narratively (especially in In Green's\nJungles) is one of the most jaw-dropping, mind-bending experiences I've had\nin reading." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I think it has something in common with an aquastor. It's clearly not\nexactly the same; its source is different, and so are the precise\nabilities of the travellers. But Malrubius says that though he is a\ndance of particles, it's still possible to touch him, because all\nmatter is a dance of particles - and I think that works for astral\ntravellers as well." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Daniel Petersen", "address": "danielottojackpetersen at gmail.com" }, "date": "2011-10-26T16:59:35+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Horn's abilities", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Hm, very interesting and thought provoking indeed. I like it.\n-DOJP\n\nOn Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 5:53 PM, Andrew Mason ", "from": { "name": "Andrew Mason", "address": "andrew.mason53 at googlemail.com" }, "date": "2011-10-26T17:07:44+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Horn's abilities", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "James Wynn wrote:\nThere is simply no other reasonable explanation, given the context, for\nPike's sparkly disapperating ghost and the astral flying Oreb Silk also\nmeets upstairs at a time when Oreb's wing is damaged.\nCombine that with Rajan appearing in the grandmother's tale, and the\ntimelines not matching for when Horn left, Hide left, Hoof left, and the\nages of Sinew's sons -- well, dream-travel is time travel." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I'm not wholly convinced by that, because of the vagueness of dates in\nthe _Sun_ universe generally. GW in one of the appendices to _New Sun_\ncomplains that the people of that age have a strangely vague\nconception of time; and there's something in OBW which suggests people\non Blue aren't entirely clear about how long the year is." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Not give the subsequent appearance of astral Oreb." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Oreb appears _before_ Pike. Silk wakes up to see 'Oreb' flyibng out to\nthe window, then, if I remember rightly, talks to Mucor for a while,\nthen goes downstairs and talks to the real (contemporary) Oreb, then\nhears the bed creaking, comes upstairs again, and sees PIke. PIke and\nOreb aren't together; and given that Silk only saw him flying out of\nthe window, it;s not clear that it is Oreb at all." } ] }, { "message_id": "<4EA847EA.7000905@gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "António Pedro Marques", "address": "entonio at gmail.com" }, "date": "2011-10-26T17:48:26+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Horn's abilities", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Andrew Mason wrote (26-10-2011 18:07):" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "James Wynn wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Not give the subsequent appearance of astral Oreb." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Oreb appears _before_ Pike. Silk wakes up to see 'Oreb' flyibng out to\nthe window, then, if I remember rightly, talks to Mucor for a while,\nthen goes downstairs and talks to the real (contemporary) Oreb, then\nhears the bed creaking, comes upstairs again, and sees PIke. PIke and\nOreb aren't together; and given that Silk only saw him flying out of\nthe window, it;s not clear that it is Oreb at all." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "One thing is certain, that episode is to be explained and not just dismissed." } ] }, { "message_id": "<4EA854FA.9080808@gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "James Wynn", "address": "crushtv at gmail.com" }, "date": "2011-10-26T18:44:10+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Horn's abilities", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Not given the subsequent appearance of astral Oreb." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 10/26/2011 12:07 PM, Andrew Mason wrote:\nOreb appears_before_ Pike. Silk wakes up to see 'Oreb' flyibng out to\nthe window, then, if I remember rightly, talks to Mucor for a while,\nthen goes downstairs and talks to the real (contemporary) Oreb, then\nhears the bed creaking, comes upstairs again, and sees PIke. PIke and\nOreb aren't together; and given that Silk only saw him flying out of\nthe window, it;s not clear that it is Oreb at all." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Yeah, when I wrote that I suspected it *might* have been the other way \naround--but I decided to just go for it. And here's why: The events are \nso closely connected in time it doesn't really matter.\n\nAndrew, I think you and I have discussed before that one wants more \nevidence than \"Well, who else could it be?\", but there really are a very \nlimited number of night choughs in the Long/Short Sun story. Even if \nSilk had not discovered an astral old man in Pike's room, the existence \nof an astral Oreb would be a strong hint that the Rajan was nearby.\n\nJ." } ] } ] }