{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/6091", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 6091, "subject": "mysteries of the long sun", "messages": 5, "voices": 3, "first": "2011-10-28T02:51:37+00:00", "last": "2011-10-28T12:58:53+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Lee Berman", "address": "severiansola at hotmail.com" }, "date": "2011-10-28T02:51:37+00:00", "subject": "(urth) mysteries of the long sun", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "larry miller: Just finished reading Nightside the Long Sun. I was " }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "really hoping that more than things would stand out on this second " }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "reading of the book. I know Im missing something here and was wondering " }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "if any of you guys can tell me if there is something along the lines of puzzles\nor mysteries that I still might have overlooked. Nightside seems\npretty straightforward compared to New/Short books and thought maybe I\njust wasnt as attentive a reader as I should have been. Just wanted\n", "from": { "name": "Marc Aramini", "address": "marcaramini at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2011-10-28T03:50:42+00:00", "subject": "(urth) mysteries of the long sun", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "--- On Thu, 10/27/11, Lee Berman wrote:\nFrom: Lee Berman \nSubject: (urth) mysteries of the long sun\nTo: urth at urth.net\nDate: Thursday, October 27, 2011, 7:51 PM" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "larry miller: Just finished reading Nightside the Long\nSun. I was " }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "really hoping that more than things would stand out on\nthis second " }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "reading of the book. I know Im missing something\nhere and was wondering " }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "if any of you guys can tell me if there is something\nalong the lines of puzzles\nor mysteries that I still might have overlooked." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Nightside seems\npretty straightforward compared to New/Short books and\nthought maybe I\njust wasnt as attentive a reader as I should have\nbeen. Just wanted\n", "from": { "name": "Gerry Quinn", "address": "gerry at bindweed.com" }, "date": "2011-10-28T04:31:56+00:00", "subject": "(urth) mysteries of the long sun", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "From: Lee Berman " }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I kind of agree with you larry. I think the story of Nightside is great. It\nheld the promise of a tale as engrossing as Severian's on first read. It\ncontinues nicely in Lake but starts to tail off in Calde and sorta dies in\nExodus. Anyway, Nightside is mostly set-up. I think the best mysteries are\nfound in Lake though. " }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "For once I agree with you, Lee. I just bought Nightside again the other day, I lost most of my books a while ago but I kept the last three of Long Sun. The first two are brilliant, the second two start to drag.\nI think Lake is the best, but Nightside contains the ghostly mysteries I need to look at, even if my analyses of them will probably not please most. " }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "All the stuff with Scylla and the bodies in storage\nand stuff like that. And perhaps the best (worst?) Wolfe mystery of all \n(since I haven't seen a glimmer of a successful solution so far from anyone, \nanywhere) the mysterioius numbers on the Seal of Pas. Maybe larry can do it! " }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Bah, it’s just a credit card type number. The only point is it has low entropy, but it doesn’t encode anything. Stop thinking everything is overloaded with significance.\n- Gerry Quinn\n\n\n " } ] }, { "message_id": "<1319776513.46296.YahooMailClassic@web161805.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Marc Aramini", "address": "marcaramini at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2011-10-28T04:35:13+00:00", "subject": "(urth) mysteries of the long sun", "in_reply_to": "<88DB5F622EFB465187F0CDC573670513@Rover>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "--- On Thu, 10/27/11, Gerry Quinn wrote:\n\n\nFrom: Gerry Quinn \nSubject: Re: (urth) mysteries of the long sun\nTo: \"The Urth Mailing List\" \nDate: Thursday, October 27, 2011, 9:31 PM\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nFrom: Lee Berman " }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I kind of agree with you larry. I think the story of Nightside is great. It\nheld the promise of a tale as engrossing as Severian's on first read. It\ncontinues nicely in Lake but starts to tail off in Calde and sorta dies in\nExodus. Anyway, Nightside is mostly set-up. I think the best mysteries are\nfound in Lake though. " }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "For once I agree with you, Lee. I just bought Nightside again the other day, I lost most of my books a while ago but I kept the last three of Long Sun. The first two are brilliant, the second two start to drag.\n\n\n\nI think Lake is the best, but Nightside contains the ghostly mysteries I need to look at, even if my analyses of them will probably not please most. " }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "All the stuff with Scylla and the bodies in storage\nand stuff like that. And perhaps the best (worst?) Wolfe mystery of all \n(since I haven't seen a glimmer of a successful solution so far from anyone, \nanywhere) the mysterioius numbers on the Seal of Pas. Maybe larry can do it!????? " }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Bah, it’s just a credit card type number. The only point is it has low entropy, but it doesn’t encode anything. Stop thinking everything is overloaded with significance.\n\n\n\n- Gerry Quinn\n\n\n\nAfter messing with it for a while, it very well might be something of that sort." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Lee Berman", "address": "severiansola at hotmail.com" }, "date": "2011-10-28T12:58:53+00:00", "subject": "(urth) mysteries of the long sun", "in_reply_to": "<1319776513.46296.YahooMailClassic@web161805.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Marc Aramini: For once I agree with you, Lee." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": " \nHeh, funny, since I usually agree with you Marc! I think the only real\npoint of difference between us is the presence or absence of Jesus Christ\nin the Sun Series. Other disagreements (including on Father Inire) \nmostly stem from that, I think. (a similar dynamic applies to James Wynn and I).\nOtherwise, I think we all tend to think alike.\n \nOh, well, also I guess we disagree on whether \"Green is Urth!\". I think it is\nabsolutely great that you shared that idea with us. I just tend to take it less\nliterally, i.e. I think Green is that dual planetary system's analog to Urth as\nBlue is analog to Ushas. (Though it may be true that certain towers in Nessus,\nnotable the Citadel's, extend through space/dream/time all the way to Green.)" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I was just looking at the back and forth between Gerry and Lee, and there was one \nbrief message where it was almost friendly, and I thought it would be so awesome if \nyou two were really just one super crazy MPD person, one with an American persona and \none with the skeptical approach," }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": " \nHeh, also funny! I suppose it would be a waste of time to deny Gerry and I are the same\nperson since a truth teller and a liar would both do that. But for those who trust me I \nwill assure that Gerry and I are not the same human being. \n \n \t\t \t \t\t " } ] } ] }