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Osiris's murder story is a very specific, concrete \nnarrative which is plainly retold here up to a point." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": " \nI concur. Moreover there is some evidence that Wolfe is intentionally shifting his\nallusion from Greco-Roman myth allusion of Urth to the sea neigbor/rival Egyptian mythology\nfor the Whorl. The two(as far as I know) Greek and Egyptian mythological characters which \nshare a name are Typhon and Sphinx. And Wolfe has included both in this story. \t\t \t \t\t " } ] }, { "message_id": "<4EC57CBA.6060906@verizon.net>", "from": { "name": "David Stockhoff", "address": "dstockhoff at verizon.net" }, "date": "2011-11-17T21:29:30+00:00", "subject": "(urth) (no subject)", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 11/17/2011 4:22 PM, Lee Berman wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "James Wynn: Also, there is the whole (quite intentional) Osiris motif in which Isis\n(Kypris) has to run around gathering parts of the god after he has been murdered." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Marc Aramini: I agree that the mapping of some myths are to be expected and found,\nmy problem with bringing in a bunch of different mythos is that Wolfe couldn't have\nalluded to them all intentionally and still made a good story" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "David Stockhoff: I dunno, Marc. Osiris's murder story is a very specific, concrete\nnarrative which is plainly retold here up to a point." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I concur. Moreover there is some evidence that Wolfe is intentionally shifting his\nallusion from Greco-Roman myth allusion of Urth to the sea neigbor/rival Egyptian mythology\nfor the Whorl. The two(as far as I know) Greek and Egyptian mythological characters which\nshare a name are Typhon and Sphinx. And Wolfe has included both in this story. \t\t \t \t\t" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Good observation. And Isis." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Larry Miller", "address": "decanus1284 at gmail.com" }, "date": "2011-11-17T22:29:54+00:00", "subject": "(urth) (no subject)", "in_reply_to": "<4EC57CBA.6060906@verizon.net>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I agree with both of you. I think its best when reading the sun\nbooks to aply only one or two layers. On my last reading of New Sun\nI simply tried looking for references to Theseus and Christ for\nexample." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 11/17/11, David Stockhoff wrote:\nOn 11/17/2011 4:22 PM, Lee Berman wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "James Wynn: Also, there is the whole (quite intentional) Osiris motif in\nwhich Isis\n(Kypris) has to run around gathering parts of the god after he has been\nmurdered." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "Marc Aramini: I agree that the mapping of some myths are to be expected\nand found,\nmy problem with bringing in a bunch of different mythos is that Wolfe\ncouldn't have\nalluded to them all intentionally and still made a good story" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "David Stockhoff: I dunno, Marc. Osiris's murder story is a very specific,\nconcrete\nnarrative which is plainly retold here up to a point." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "I concur. Moreover there is some evidence that Wolfe is intentionally\nshifting his\nallusion from Greco-Roman myth allusion of Urth to the sea neigbor/rival\nEgyptian mythology\nfor the Whorl. The two(as far as I know) Greek and Egyptian mythological\ncharacters which\nshare a name are Typhon and Sphinx. And Wolfe has included both in this\nstory. \t\t \t \t\t" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Good observation. And Isis.\n_______________________________________________" } ] } ] }