# (no subject) *The Urth list — 3 messages, 3 voices, 17 Nov 2011* > Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright > in each message remains with the person who wrote it. > Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original > archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than > retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact. --- ### Lee Berman *17 Nov 2011, 21:22* > James Wynn: Also, there is the whole (quite intentional) Osiris motif in which Isis > (Kypris) has to run around gathering parts of the god after he has been murdered. > Marc Aramini: I agree that the mapping of some myths are to be expected and found, > my problem with bringing in a bunch of different mythos is that Wolfe couldn't have > alluded to them all intentionally and still made a good story > David Stockhoff: I dunno, Marc. Osiris's murder story is a very specific, concrete > narrative which is plainly retold here up to a point. I concur. Moreover there is some evidence that Wolfe is intentionally shifting his allusion from Greco-Roman myth allusion of Urth to the sea neigbor/rival Egyptian mythology for the Whorl. The two(as far as I know) Greek and Egyptian mythological characters which share a name are Typhon and Sphinx. And Wolfe has included both in this story. --- ### David Stockhoff *17 Nov 2011, 21:29 · in reply to Lee Berman* > On 11/17/2011 4:22 PM, Lee Berman wrote: >> James Wynn: Also, there is the whole (quite intentional) Osiris motif in which Isis >> (Kypris) has to run around gathering parts of the god after he has been murdered. >> Marc Aramini: I agree that the mapping of some myths are to be expected and found, >> my problem with bringing in a bunch of different mythos is that Wolfe couldn't have >> alluded to them all intentionally and still made a good story >> David Stockhoff: I dunno, Marc. Osiris's murder story is a very specific, concrete >> narrative which is plainly retold here up to a point. > I concur. Moreover there is some evidence that Wolfe is intentionally shifting his > allusion from Greco-Roman myth allusion of Urth to the sea neigbor/rival Egyptian mythology > for the Whorl. The two(as far as I know) Greek and Egyptian mythological characters which > share a name are Typhon and Sphinx. And Wolfe has included both in this story. Good observation. And Isis. --- ### Larry Miller *17 Nov 2011, 22:29 · in reply to David Stockhoff* I agree with both of you. I think its best when reading the sun books to aply only one or two layers. On my last reading of New Sun I simply tried looking for references to Theseus and Christ for example. > On 11/17/11, David Stockhoff wrote: > On 11/17/2011 4:22 PM, Lee Berman wrote: >>> James Wynn: Also, there is the whole (quite intentional) Osiris motif in >>> which Isis >>> (Kypris) has to run around gathering parts of the god after he has been >>> murdered. >>> Marc Aramini: I agree that the mapping of some myths are to be expected >>> and found, >>> my problem with bringing in a bunch of different mythos is that Wolfe >>> couldn't have >>> alluded to them all intentionally and still made a good story >>> David Stockhoff: I dunno, Marc. Osiris's murder story is a very specific, >>> concrete >>> narrative which is plainly retold here up to a point. >> I concur. Moreover there is some evidence that Wolfe is intentionally >> shifting his >> allusion from Greco-Roman myth allusion of Urth to the sea neigbor/rival >> Egyptian mythology >> for the Whorl. The two(as far as I know) Greek and Egyptian mythological >> characters which >> share a name are Typhon and Sphinx. And Wolfe has included both in this >> story. > Good observation. And Isis. > _______________________________________________ ---