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The Urth list — 3 messages, 3 voices, 17 Nov 2011
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Lee Berman — 17 Nov 2011, 21:22

> James Wynn: Also, there is the whole (quite intentional) Osiris motif in which Isis 
> (Kypris) has to run around gathering parts of the god after he has been murdered.

> Marc Aramini: I agree that the mapping of some myths are to be expected and found, 
> my problem with bringing in a bunch of different mythos is that Wolfe couldn't have 
> alluded to them all intentionally and still made a good story 

> David Stockhoff: I dunno, Marc. Osiris's murder story is a very specific, concrete 
> narrative which is plainly retold here up to a point.

 
I concur. Moreover there is some evidence that Wolfe is intentionally shifting his
allusion from Greco-Roman myth allusion of Urth to the sea neigbor/rival Egyptian mythology
for the Whorl. The two(as far as I know) Greek and Egyptian mythological characters which 
share a name are Typhon and Sphinx. And Wolfe has included both in this story. 		 	   		  

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David Stockhoff — 17 Nov 2011, 21:29
  in reply to Lee Berman

> On 11/17/2011 4:22 PM, Lee Berman wrote:

> > James Wynn: Also, there is the whole (quite intentional) Osiris motif in which Isis
> > (Kypris) has to run around gathering parts of the god after he has been murdered.

> > Marc Aramini: I agree that the mapping of some myths are to be expected and found,
> > my problem with bringing in a bunch of different mythos is that Wolfe couldn't have
> > alluded to them all intentionally and still made a good story

> > David Stockhoff: I dunno, Marc. Osiris's murder story is a very specific, concrete
> > narrative which is plainly retold here up to a point.

> I concur. Moreover there is some evidence that Wolfe is intentionally shifting his
> allusion from Greco-Roman myth allusion of Urth to the sea neigbor/rival Egyptian mythology
> for the Whorl. The two(as far as I know) Greek and Egyptian mythological characters which
> share a name are Typhon and Sphinx. And Wolfe has included both in this story. 		 	   		

Good observation. And Isis.

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Larry Miller — 17 Nov 2011, 22:29
  in reply to David Stockhoff

I agree  with both of you.  I think its best when reading the sun
books to aply  only one  or two layers.  On my last reading of New Sun
I simply tried looking for references to Theseus and Christ for
example.

> On 11/17/11, David Stockhoff <dstockhoff at verizon.net> wrote:
> On 11/17/2011 4:22 PM, Lee Berman wrote:

> > > James Wynn: Also, there is the whole (quite intentional) Osiris motif in
> > > which Isis
> > > (Kypris) has to run around gathering parts of the god after he has been
> > > murdered.

> > > Marc Aramini: I agree that the mapping of some myths are to be expected
> > > and found,
> > > my problem with bringing in a bunch of different mythos is that Wolfe
> > > couldn't have
> > > alluded to them all intentionally and still made a good story

> > > David Stockhoff: I dunno, Marc. Osiris's murder story is a very specific,
> > > concrete
> > > narrative which is plainly retold here up to a point.

> > I concur. Moreover there is some evidence that Wolfe is intentionally
> > shifting his
> > allusion from Greco-Roman myth allusion of Urth to the sea neigbor/rival
> > Egyptian mythology
> > for the Whorl. The two(as far as I know) Greek and Egyptian mythological
> > characters which
> > share a name are Typhon and Sphinx. And Wolfe has included both in this
> > story. 		 	   		

> Good observation. And Isis.
> _______________________________________________

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