# no subject *The Urth list — 5 messages, 3 voices, 19 Nov 2011* > Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright > in each message remains with the person who wrote it. > Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original > archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than > retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact. --- ### Larry Miller *19 Nov 2011, 14:43* If I remember right isnt there a point in Urth of New Sun where Severian goes inside the planet of Yesod in something akin to an elevator? As ridiculous as it may sound is it possible that the planet of Yesod could be the Whorl after its departure from the Blue/Green system? --- ### Jeff Wilson *19 Nov 2011, 23:48 · in reply to Larry Miller* > On 11/19/2011 8:43 AM, Larry Miller wrote: > If I remember right isnt there a point in Urth of New Sun where > Severian goes inside the planet of Yesod in something akin to an > elevator? An open platform that descends, yes. > As ridiculous as it may sound is it possible that the > planet of Yesod could be the Whorl after its departure from the > Blue/Green system? There is no particular thickness of natural rock visible inside the machine planet, only human-like figures and mobile machines tending stationary machines. Apheta claims it was created from Yesod's white-hole energy and matter for Yesodi settlement. There is also the statement and the appearance that the machine planet is Urth-size or larger, and massive enough to produce earth-like conditions on its exterior. It might be barely possible that the Hierogrammates escaped from Briah in a previous iteration of the Whorl, and some of that materials was incorporated into the machine planet, but IIRC that occasion was untold billions of years in future time, when the universal expansion had separated galaxies from one another. The Whorl might still exist then as an asteroid, but it is unlikely the accomodations would be useful or reognizeable after that time. ``` Jeff Wilson - jwilson at clueland.com Computational Intelligence Laboratory - Texas A&M Texarkana < http://www.tamut.edu/CIL > ``` --- ### Larry Miller *19 Nov 2011, 23:58 · in reply to Jeff Wilson* Thanks Jeff. Just a random thought that occured to me this morning. Ive been really concerned with exactly how Horn/Silk takes a part ("though not a leading part" as stated by Wolfe) in the Hieros plans to transform the human race into the Yesodis. Ive been racking my brain for more connections between the books. Do you have any thoughts? > On 11/19/11, Jeff Wilson wrote: > On 11/19/2011 8:43 AM, Larry Miller wrote: >> If I remember right isnt there a point in Urth of New Sun where >> Severian goes inside the planet of Yesod in something akin to an >> elevator? > An open platform that descends, yes. >> As ridiculous as it may sound is it possible that the >> planet of Yesod could be the Whorl after its departure from the >> Blue/Green system? > There is no particular thickness of natural rock visible inside the > machine planet, only human-like figures and mobile machines tending > stationary machines. Apheta claims it was created from Yesod's > white-hole energy and matter for Yesodi settlement. There is also the > statement and the appearance that the machine planet is Urth-size or > larger, and massive enough to produce earth-like conditions on its > exterior. > > It might be barely possible that the Hierogrammates escaped from Briah > in a previous iteration of the Whorl, and some of that materials was > incorporated into the machine planet, but IIRC that occasion was untold > billions of years in future time, when the universal expansion had > separated galaxies from one another. The Whorl might still exist then as > an asteroid, but it is unlikely the accomodations would be useful or > reognizeable after that time. > > > -- > Jeff Wilson - jwilson at clueland.com > Computational Intelligence Laboratory - Texas A&M Texarkana > < http://www.tamut.edu/CIL > > _______________________________________________ --- ### António Pedro Marques *20 Nov 2011, 02:49 · in reply to Larry Miller* No dia 19/11/2011, ?s 23:58, Larry Miller escreveu: > Thanks Jeff. Just a random thought that occured to me this morning. > Ive been really concerned with exactly how Horn/Silk takes a part > ("though not a leading part" as stated by Wolfe) in the Hieros plans > to transform the human race into the Yesodis. Ive been racking my > brain for more connections between the books. Do you have any > thoughts? He is Typhon, I tell you! THE Typhon! --- ### Jeff Wilson *20 Nov 2011, 07:06 · in reply to Larry Miller* > On 11/19/2011 5:58 PM, Larry Miller wrote: > Thanks Jeff. Just a random thought that occured to me this morning. > Ive been really concerned with exactly how Horn/Silk takes a part > ("though not a leading part" as stated by Wolfe) in the Hieros plans > to transform the human race into the Yesodis. Ive been racking my > brain for more connections between the books. Do you have any > thoughts? I think it's the Yesodi's plans to mold the humans into the Hieros, who will ultimately unite with the Yesodis and with God. Everyone who can encourage others to spiritually grow toward that state of conciliation contributes in a meaningful way that can be built upon in future time and successive manvantaras. This includes doers of both good and evil acts, though a little evil goes a long way. It's very much like the Teilhard De Chardin plan laid out in a spiral rather than a closed timeloop. ``` Jeff Wilson - jwilson at clueland.com Computational Intelligence Laboratory - Texas A&M Texarkana < http://www.tamut.edu/CIL > ``` ---