{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/6122", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 6122, "subject": "John C.Wright on Wolfe' \"Unreliable Moral Narrative\"", "messages": 8, "voices": 6, "first": "2011-11-23T16:02:02+00:00", "last": "2011-11-28T23:44:25+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "<4ECD18FA.5010906@gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "James Wynn", "address": "crushtv at gmail.com" }, "date": "2011-11-23T16:02:02+00:00", "subject": "(urth) John C.Wright on Wolfe' \"Unreliable Moral Narrative\"", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "http://www.scifiwright.com/2011/11/home-fires-by-gene-wolfe-those-who-dwell-in-hell-also-keep-them-burning/ " } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Gwern Branwen", "address": "gwern0 at gmail.com" }, "date": "2011-11-23T16:16:58+00:00", "subject": "(urth) John C.Wright on Wolfe' \"Unreliable Moral Narrative\"", "in_reply_to": "<4ECD18FA.5010906@gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 11:02 AM, James Wynn wrote:\nhttp://www.scifiwright.com/2011/11/home-fires-by-gene-wolfe-those-who-dwell-in-hell-also-keep-them-burning/" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Interesting. I've thought much the same thing about 5HOC. I'm not sure\n_Home Fires_ is special in this respect here; I've noted in the past\nthat that theme is overt or covert in many of his stories and novels,\nmost obviously _An Evil Guest_." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "gwern\nhttp://www.gwern.net" } ] }, { "message_id": "<4ECD20C1.4050403@verizon.net>", "from": { "name": "David Stockhoff", "address": "dstockhoff at verizon.net" }, "date": "2011-11-23T16:35:13+00:00", "subject": "(urth) John C.Wright on Wolfe' \"Unreliable Moral Narrative\"", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 11/23/2011 11:16 AM, Gwern Branwen wrote:\nOn Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 11:02 AM, James Wynn wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "http://www.scifiwright.com/2011/11/home-fires-by-gene-wolfe-those-who-dwell-in-hell-also-keep-them-burning/\nInteresting. I've thought much the same thing about 5HOC. I'm not sure\n_Home Fires_ is special in this respect here; I've noted in the past\nthat that theme is overt or covert in many of his stories and novels,\nmost obviously _An Evil Guest_." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Definitely. And various shorts as well, and of course all of Latro. \nThank god his narrators are not judgmental bores (like Wright can be)." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes", "address": "danldo at gmail.com" }, "date": "2011-11-23T16:43:37+00:00", "subject": "(urth) John C.Wright on Wolfe' \"Unreliable Moral Narrative\"", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "James Wynn wrote:\nhttp://www.scifiwright.com/2011/11/home-fires-by-gene-wolfe-those-who-dwell-in-hell-also-keep-them-burning/" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Oh, what a lovely essay! And also his one on \"underrating GW.\" Wright\nhits the nail on the head." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Lee Berman", "address": "severiansola at hotmail.com" }, "date": "2011-11-23T17:03:41+00:00", "subject": "(urth) John C.Wright on Wolfe' \"Unreliable Moral Narrative\"", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Interesting. I've thought much the same thing about 5HOC. I'm not sure\n_Home Fires_ is special in this respect here; I've noted in the past\nthat that theme is overt or covert in many of his stories and novels,\nmost obviously _An Evil Guest_." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "David Stockhoff: Definitely. And various shorts as well, and of course all \nof Latro. Thank god his narrators are not judgmental bores (like Wright can be)." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Heh. I did notice a socially conservative, anti-abortion stance in that article.\nI could do with out that, but otherwise a clear and insightful analysis.\n \nWright even acknowleges that most other Wolfe fans have probably caught the social\ncommentary Wolfe makes in his stories by using the off-hand acceptance by the\nnarrator of prostitution, slavery, torture, bestiality, animal sacrifice, etc. I \nthink most of the fans on this list have noticed that, either directly or via \npostings about it. \t\t \t \t\t " } ] }, { "message_id": "<4ECDE31D.70609@clueland.com>", "from": { "name": "Jeff Wilson", "address": "jwilson at clueland.com" }, "date": "2011-11-24T06:24:29+00:00", "subject": "(urth) John C.Wright on Wolfe' \"Unreliable Moral Narrative\"", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 11/23/2011 11:03 AM, Lee Berman wrote:\nWright even acknowleges that most other Wolfe fans have probably caught the social\ncommentary Wolfe makes in his stories by using the off-hand acceptance by the\nnarrator of prostitution, slavery, torture, bestiality, animal sacrifice, etc. I\nthink most of the fans on this list have noticed that, either directly or via\npostings about it. \t\t \t \t\t" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Wolfe has a negative comment on animal sacrifice?\n\n\nAnd when did Skip do Chelle's mom? I thought he repeatedly rejected her?" }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Jeff Wilson - jwilson at clueland.com\nComputational Intelligence Laboratory - Texas A&M Texarkana\n< http://www.tamut.edu/CIL >" } ] }, { "message_id": "<4ECF8C19.9090404@verizon.net>", "from": { "name": "David Stockhoff", "address": "dstockhoff at verizon.net" }, "date": "2011-11-25T12:37:45+00:00", "subject": "(urth) John C.Wright on Wolfe' \"Unreliable Moral Narrative\"", "in_reply_to": "<4ECDE31D.70609@clueland.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 11/24/2011 1:24 AM, Jeff Wilson wrote:\nOn 11/23/2011 11:03 AM, Lee Berman wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Wright even acknowleges that most other Wolfe fans have probably \ncaught the social\ncommentary Wolfe makes in his stories by using the off-hand \nacceptance by the\nnarrator of prostitution, slavery, torture, bestiality, animal \nsacrifice, etc. I\nthink most of the fans on this list have noticed that, either \ndirectly or via\npostings about it." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Wolfe has a negative comment on animal sacrifice?\n\n\nAnd when did Skip do Chelle's mom? I thought he repeatedly rejected her?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "It seems to be left to the imagination if it happened at all. She's \nafter him so much it's easy to imagine it happening, and he just didn't \nwant to tell us." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Gwern Branwen", "address": "gwern0 at gmail.com" }, "date": "2011-11-28T23:44:25+00:00", "subject": "(urth) John C.Wright on Wolfe' \"Unreliable Moral Narrative\"", "in_reply_to": "<4ECD18FA.5010906@gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 11:02 AM, James Wynn wrote:\nhttp://www.scifiwright.com/2011/11/home-fires-by-gene-wolfe-those-who-dwell-in-hell-also-keep-them-burning/" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Another Wright/Wolfe piece:\nhttp://www.scifiwright.com/2011/11/underrating-gene-wolfe/" }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "gwern\nhttp://www.gwern.net" } ] } ] }