{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/6123", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 6123, "subject": "Hierax is dead", "messages": 4, "voices": 4, "first": "2011-11-23T18:20:43+00:00", "last": "2011-11-23T19:09:52+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Lee Berman", "address": "severiansola at hotmail.com" }, "date": "2011-11-23T18:20:43+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Hierax is dead", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Pig said, \"Hierax is dead.\"" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": " \nI find it interesting that Hierax is dead, but I find it more interesting\nto wonder how Pig knows this." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "James Wynn: we'd really have to know what the purpose in sending Seawrack \nwas in the first place. Was her purpose solely for Horn? Did Mother decide \nHorn was a \"worshipper\" because he killed that pirate woman and caused her \nto be dumped in the water?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": " \nWow. My interpretation is so different. I think perhaps the \"pirate ship\" was\nlike the naviscaput in the off-world legend in UotNS. An above-water extrusion\nof The Mother. I think Horn's shot is what knocked off Seawrack's arm, she also\nbeing an extrusion of The Mother. (James do you have a different explanation for\nSeawrack's arm?). Seawrack's arm seems freshly lost but carefully dressed and\nhealed. I think that occurred via The Mother when she dropped back into the sea.\nDespite the arm loss she can still swim pretty fast.\n \nAs for the purpose in sending Seawrack, I think it is similar to the sending of\nundines to Severian. There are powers in the sea who have a presentiment of Horn's\nfuture and want to be a part of it and/or influence on it." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I think it is significant that the Narrator does not reconnect with \nSeawrack in his non-Horn body until the end when the Rajan returns to \nthe Whorl with Marble, Nettle, and Seawrack. (and Oreb, of course). Of \ncourse, I'm not sure what the reconnection means any more than I know \nwhat the separation means." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": " \nThere is such a personal, wistful note to the description of these characters. I \nthink there is some reflection of the author's personal life which may not directly\ntie to the story. \t\t \t \t\t " } ] }, { "message_id": "<317F8557F12447CC87591FC6A7666C71@Rover>", "from": { "name": "Gerry Quinn", "address": "gerry at bindweed.com" }, "date": "2011-11-23T18:42:22+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Hierax is dead", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "From: Lee Berman " }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Pig said, \"Hierax is dead.\"" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I find it interesting that Hierax is dead, but I find it more interesting\nto wonder how Pig knows this." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "He’s a godling, and presumably was constructed at/by Mainframe. I guess he knew from birth.\n- Gerry Quinn" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Pedro Pereira", "address": "domus_artemis at hotmail.com" }, "date": "2011-11-23T18:50:13+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Hierax is dead", "in_reply_to": "<317F8557F12447CC87591FC6A7666C71@Rover>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Sorry to hijack this post, but could the person responsible unsubscribe me from the Urth list? Thank you,Pedro\n From: gerry at bindweed.com\nTo: urth at lists.urth.net\nDate: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 18:42:22 +0000\nSubject: Re: (urth) Hierax is dead\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n \n\n\n \n\nFrom: Lee Berman " }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Pig \nsaid, \"Hierax is dead.\"" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I \nfind it interesting that Hierax is dead, but I find it more \ninteresting" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "to \nwonder how Pig knows this.\n\n \n\nHe’s \na godling, and presumably was constructed at/by Mainframe. I guess he knew \nfrom birth.\n\n \n\n- \nGerry Quinn" } ] }, { "message_id": "<4ECD4500.5080605@gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "James Wynn", "address": "crushtv at gmail.com" }, "date": "2011-11-23T19:09:52+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Hierax is dead", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "See the bottom of this page Pedro.\nhttp://lists.urth.net/listinfo.cgi/urth-urth.net\nYou subscribed yourself. You must unsubscribe yourself.\n\nGood luck to you." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 11/23/2011 12:50 PM, Pedro Pereira wrote:\nSorry to hijack this post, but could the person \nresponsible unsubscribe me from the Urth list?\n\nThank you,\nPedro" } ] } ] }