# Urth Digest, Vol 87, Issue 179 *The Urth list — 3 messages, 3 voices, 23 Nov 2011* > Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright > in each message remains with the person who wrote it. > Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original > archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than > retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact. --- ### Andrew Mason *23 Nov 2011, 22:47* > James Wynn wrote: > Andrew, I don't know if you saw my response to you on 11/9... > http://lists.urth.net/pipermail/urth-urth.net/2011-November/024264.html > ... but at that point I posed that the Mucor traveling with "Pike's > ghost" is Mucor from Blue on her mission to locate Silk for Horn. Yes, I saw this - I'm not doubting that there is a way to explain it within the time-travel theory. I just wanted to see if a simpler explanation could be given. > ** If it seems that Wolfe did not provide enough clues for this, > remember that this is the same thing as Auk kidnapping Hy for sacrifice > and then realizing that "she was not the woman he was supposed to > bring." There was no explanation of _that_internal struggle either. Why do you say he kidnapped her for sacrifice? It seems to me - admittedly with the benefit of hindsight - that what happened is reasonably clear. Tartaros said 'Go to the woman...A woman is vital'. Auk looked around for Chenille (whom Tartaros certainly meant; he had told Auk to comfort her a page earlier), but she had disappeared. So he ran out and grabbed Hyacinth. Later, Tartaros told him to let her go, when the balance of his mind had been restored. There's no explicit 'Ah, now I realise...', but presumably he did, as he let Hyacinth go without arguing. --- ### James Wynn *23 Nov 2011, 23:12 · in reply to Andrew Mason* > On 11/23/2011 4:47 PM, Andrew Mason wrote: > James Wynn wrote: > > Yes, I saw this - I'm not doubting that there is a way to explain it > within the time-travel theory. I just wanted to see if a simpler > explanation could be given. Maybe Roy will chime in on this. >> ** If it seems that Wolfe did not provide enough clues for this, >> remember that this is the same thing as Auk kidnapping Hy for sacrifice >> and then realizing that "she was not the woman he was supposed to >> bring." There was no explanation of _that_internal struggle either. > Why do you say he kidnapped her for sacrifice? Well, he *did* kidnap her. The very requirement to kidnap someone assumes that no one could be procured to go willingly. > It seems to me - > admittedly with the benefit of hindsight - that what happened is > reasonably clear. Tartaros said 'Go to the woman...A woman is vital'. > Auk looked around for Chenille (whom Tartaros certainly meant; he had > told Auk to comfort her a page earlier), but she had disappeared. I'm not sure it is obvious. I don't think he ultimately presents Chenille. So, if she was vital... If Tartaros needed any woman (as his statement implied) why not Hy? --- ### António Pedro Marques *23 Nov 2011, 23:23 · in reply to James Wynn* James Wynn wrote (23-11-2011 23:12): > If Tartaros needed any woman (as his statement implied) why not Hy? Ha! ---