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This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 6141, "subject": "(no subject)", "messages": 3, "voices": 3, "first": "2011-12-16T20:56:30+00:00", "last": "2011-12-16T21:03:11+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Lee Berman", "address": "severiansola at hotmail.com" }, "date": "2011-12-16T20:56:30+00:00", "subject": "(urth) (no subject)", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Daniel Petersen: I actually am well known among family and friends as being the \naggro one at times." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": " \nHeh, funny. I am always described as the fair and unflappable peacemaker. " }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "The second thing is that I feel fairly uncomfortable with \nthe idea of people having 'goals' for this list. What in the world? \nThe list has a simple and stated purpose: to discuss Wolfe's works. Let's \nleave it at that and be busy with it - not trying to manipulate others and the \n'community' toward further ends we've concocted. That's just weird. Not in the \ngood 'weird fiction' way. It's... creepy." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": " \nOh it IS weird and creepy. But sometimes ya gotta do what ya gotta do. \"Let's\njust talk about Wolfe\" sounds so simple and easy. But, obviously it isn't and\nit hasn't been from the beginning, some 15 years ago.\n \nPerhaps I should elaborate that my goals are not really for the group as a whole\nbut more selfish and self-serving. There were a number of very intelligent, \ninsightful, well-read contributors here who seemed chased away by a certain cadre\nof enforcers. I really wanted to be able to interact with them. Some are gone \nforever I guess, but I've really really appreciated what I've learned from those\nguys who came back. \t\t \t \t\t " } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes", "address": "danldo at gmail.com" }, "date": "2011-12-16T21:01:27+00:00", "subject": "(urth) (no subject)", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Lee Berman wrote:\nThere were a number of very intelligent,\ninsightful, well-read contributors here who seemed chased away by a certain cadre\nof enforcers. I really wanted to be able to interact with them. Some are gone\nforever I guess, but I've really really appreciated what I've learned from those\nguys who came back." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I know what you mean ... when I joined we had (among others, simply\nfrom memory) Alice K. Turner (\"Alga\"), a former fiction editor at\nPlayboy; and Michael Andre-Driussi (\"Mantis\"), whose work I assume\neveryone here is familiar with; and Kevin Maroney. All these seem to\nbe gone forever. I miss their contributions." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Daniel Petersen", "address": "danielottojackpetersen at gmail.com" }, "date": "2011-12-16T21:03:11+00:00", "subject": "(urth) (no subject)", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Well, Lee, I'm one of the newer 'very intelligent, insightful, well-read\ncontributors' who is in danger of being chased away even by your 'free\nthought' postings. But never fear, I won't really run.\n\nSemi-facetiously,\n\nDOJP" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 8:56 PM, Lee Berman wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Daniel Petersen: I actually am well known among family and friends as\nbeing the\naggro one at times." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Heh, funny. I am always described as the fair and unflappable peacemaker." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "The second thing is that I feel fairly uncomfortable with\nthe idea of people having 'goals' for this list. What in the world?\nThe list has a simple and stated purpose: to discuss Wolfe's works." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": " Let's\nleave it at that and be busy with it - not trying to manipulate others\nand the\n'community' toward further ends we've concocted. That's just weird. Not\nin the\ngood 'weird fiction' way. It's... creepy.\n\nOh it IS weird and creepy. But sometimes ya gotta do what ya gotta do.\n\"Let's\njust talk about Wolfe\" sounds so simple and easy. But, obviously it isn't\nand\nit hasn't been from the beginning, some 15 years ago.\n\nPerhaps I should elaborate that my goals are not really for the group as a\nwhole\nbut more selfish and self-serving. There were a number of very intelligent,\ninsightful, well-read contributors here who seemed chased away by a\ncertain cadre\nof enforcers. I really wanted to be able to interact with them. Some are\ngone\nforever I guess, but I've really really appreciated what I've learned from\nthose\nguys who came back.\n_______________________________________________" } ] } ] }