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    "id": 6156,
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    "first": "2011-12-23T14:22:07+00:00",
    "last": "2011-12-23T14:36:24+00:00"
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    {
      "message_id": "<SNT123-W339289E1976CF1F18D3AECFAB0@phx.gbl>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Lee Berman",
        "address": "severiansola at hotmail.com"
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      "date": "2011-12-23T14:22:07+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) (no subject)",
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          "text": "Gerry Quinn: The experts don’t just tell me how it works, they produce extensive \nand consistent mathematical models covering a wide range of domains and invite me \nto pick holes in them, or carry out any experiment that might invalidate them.    \nLee is spouting a tired old argument which uses cultural relativism to assail all \nnotions of objective truth."
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          "text": "As I see it, if it is human-created it is, by definition, not objective truth. How\ncould it be? Only God is objective. The rest of us were gestated in a womb and raised\nin an ape-like family and social community. No big black rectangles around that I can\nsee...Math and science can have no claim on universal truth until we have multiple \nalien races across the universe demonstrating identical use.\n \nCultural relativism? That's good! Using a political/social term as judgement of \none's own universal superiority is what I was talking about in the previous post.\nScientist= Priest. \t\t \t   \t\t  "
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      "message_id": "<4EF491E8.2010507@verizon.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "David Stockhoff",
        "address": "dstockhoff at verizon.net"
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      "date": "2011-12-23T14:36:24+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) (no subject)",
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          "text": "On 12/23/2011 9:22 AM, Lee Berman wrote:"
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          "text": "Gerry Quinn: The experts don’t just tell me how it works, they produce extensive\nand consistent mathematical models covering a wide range of domains and invite me\nto pick holes in them, or carry out any experiment that might invalidate them.\nLee is spouting a tired old argument which uses cultural relativism to assail all\nnotions of objective truth."
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        {
          "kind": "quote",
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          "text": "As I see it, if it is human-created it is, by definition, not objective truth. How\ncould it be? Only God is objective. The rest of us were gestated in a womb and raised\nin an ape-like family and social community. No big black rectangles around that I can\nsee...Math and science can have no claim on universal truth until we have multiple\nalien races across the universe demonstrating identical use.\n\nCultural relativism? That's good! Using a political/social term as judgement of\none's own universal superiority is what I was talking about in the previous post.\nScientist= Priest. \t\t \t   \t\t"
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          "text": "Naturally, to a scientist or priest, that equal sign doesn't work at all."
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