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The Urth list — 2 messages, 2 voices, 23 Dec 2011
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Lee Berman — 23 Dec 2011, 14:22

> Gerry Quinn: The experts don’t just tell me how it works, they produce extensive 
> and consistent mathematical models covering a wide range of domains and invite me 
> to pick holes in them, or carry out any experiment that might invalidate them.    
> Lee is spouting a tired old argument which uses cultural relativism to assail all 
> notions of objective truth.

As I see it, if it is human-created it is, by definition, not objective truth. How
could it be? Only God is objective. The rest of us were gestated in a womb and raised
in an ape-like family and social community. No big black rectangles around that I can
see...Math and science can have no claim on universal truth until we have multiple 
alien races across the universe demonstrating identical use.
 
Cultural relativism? That's good! Using a political/social term as judgement of 
one's own universal superiority is what I was talking about in the previous post.
Scientist= Priest. 		 	   		  

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David Stockhoff — 23 Dec 2011, 14:36
  in reply to Lee Berman

> On 12/23/2011 9:22 AM, Lee Berman wrote:

> > Gerry Quinn: The experts don’t just tell me how it works, they produce extensive
> > and consistent mathematical models covering a wide range of domains and invite me
> > to pick holes in them, or carry out any experiment that might invalidate them.
> > Lee is spouting a tired old argument which uses cultural relativism to assail all
> > notions of objective truth.

> As I see it, if it is human-created it is, by definition, not objective truth. How
> could it be? Only God is objective. The rest of us were gestated in a womb and raised
> in an ape-like family and social community. No big black rectangles around that I can
> see...Math and science can have no claim on universal truth until we have multiple
> alien races across the universe demonstrating identical use.
> 
> Cultural relativism? That's good! Using a political/social term as judgement of
> one's own universal superiority is what I was talking about in the previous post.
> Scientist= Priest. 		 	   		

Naturally, to a scientist or priest, that equal sign doesn't work at all.

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