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This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 6195, "subject": "The Perils of Partnership", "messages": 15, "voices": 5, "first": "2012-03-22T15:35:18+00:00", "last": "2012-03-22T18:24:13+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Fred Kiesche", "address": "godelescherbach at gmail.com" }, "date": "2012-03-22T15:35:18+00:00", "subject": "(urth) The Perils of Partnership", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Greetings:\n\nJust got my first three replacement copies of my missing Wolfe's: Innocents\nAbroad, Starwater Strains, and Strange Travellers--all short story\ncollections in case any of the titles in these are on the May Is Gene Wolfe\nShorts Month project.\n\nAnnoyed as they are all ex-library books: which the Amazon \"partner\" did\nnot mention in his/her description. I did not pay a lot, and these are all\nfine \"reading copies\", but given a choice between a ex-library book with\nstickers, mylar wrap and stamps and things inside...and a actual \"new\" copy\nwithout any of that, I'll choose the new one.\n\nAm I a cranky book collector or what?" }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "F.P. Kiesche III \"Ah Mr. Gibbon, another damned, fat, square book. Always,\nscribble, scribble, scribble, eh?\" (The Duke of Gloucester, on being\npresented with Volume 2 of The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire.)\nBlogging at The Lensman's Children (\nhttp://theeternalgoldenbraid.blogspot.com/)." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Fred Kiesche", "address": "godelescherbach at gmail.com" }, "date": "2012-03-22T15:38:11+00:00", "subject": "(urth) The Perils of Partnership", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Following up: If anybody would like one of these (as I get my actual real\nlive NEW copies that are NEW), let me know. Or two. Or all three. First\ncome, first served." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Fred Kiesche wrote:\nGreetings:\n\nJust got my first three replacement copies of my missing Wolfe's:\nInnocents Abroad, Starwater Strains, and Strange Travellers--all short\nstory collections in case any of the titles in these are on the May Is Gene\nWolfe Shorts Month project.\n\nAnnoyed as they are all ex-library books: which the Amazon \"partner\" did\nnot mention in his/her description. I did not pay a lot, and these are all\nfine \"reading copies\", but given a choice between a ex-library book with\nstickers, mylar wrap and stamps and things inside...and a actual \"new\" copy\nwithout any of that, I'll choose the new one.\n\nAm I a cranky book collector or what?\n\n--\nF.P. Kiesche III \"Ah Mr. Gibbon, another damned, fat, square book.\nAlways, scribble, scribble, scribble, eh?\" (The Duke of Gloucester, on\nbeing presented with Volume 2 of The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire.)\nBlogging at The Lensman's Children (\nhttp://theeternalgoldenbraid.blogspot.com/).\n\n\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<4F6B4CE1.5030909@gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "António Pedro Marques", "address": "entonio at gmail.com" }, "date": "2012-03-22T16:01:37+00:00", "subject": "(urth) The Perils of Partnership", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "These days I only get 'used' stuff from the amazon marketplace if 'new' \nisn't available or the price just doesn't allow - good luck finding a new \nhardcover of \nhttp://www.amazon.com/New-Testament-Apocrypha-Vol-Apocalypses/dp/0664218792 \n! As a rule I don't buy from amazon itself. I hate amazon. Amazon bought \nStanza only so it could terminate it and then released an iOS5 update which \ndoesn't work on iOS4 but is pushed to iOS4 devices anyway*. All to eliminate \ncompetition for the Kindle, and how come Kindle for iOS today is still far \nbehind 2008's Stanza where it comes to usefulness.\n\n(*) If you still have your binary of the previous Stanza in your hard drive \nthen you can easily undo the 'upgrade' with iFunBox, but you'll have to take \ncare not to allow it to be 'upgraded' again, which is a chore. The IPA has \nto be yours or the device jailbroken, otherwise no luck.\n\nMy first Gene Wolfe book was 'used', and how. I almost got afraid of \ngetting some disease from it. Once I'd finished it, I bought a new one. \nSometimes I stay at small camping parks or the like and leave such \nduplicates there in the community library.\n\nFred Kiesche wrote (22-03-2012 15:38):" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Following up: If anybody would like one of these (as I get my actual real\nlive NEW copies that are NEW), let me know. Or two. Or all three. First\ncome, first served.\n\nOn Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Fred Kiesche > wrote:\n\n Greetings:\n Just got my first three replacement copies of my missing Wolfe's:\n Innocents Abroad, Starwater Strains, and Strange Travellers--all short\n story collections in case any of the titles in these are on the May Is\n Gene Wolfe Shorts Month project.\n Annoyed as they are all ex-library books: which the Amazon \"partner\" did\n not mention in his/her description. I did not pay a lot, and these are\n all fine \"reading copies\", but given a choice between a ex-library book\n with stickers, mylar wrap and stamps and things inside...and a actual\n \"new\" copy without any of that, I'll choose the new one.\n Am I a cranky book collector or what?\n\n --\n F.P. Kiesche III \"Ah Mr. Gibbon, another damned, fat, square book.\n Always, scribble, scribble, scribble, eh?\" (The Duke of Gloucester, on\n being presented with Volume 2 of The Decline and Fall of the Roman\n Empire.) Blogging at The Lensman's Children\n (http://theeternalgoldenbraid.blogspot.com/).\n\n\n\n _______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<4F6B4DF4.9040909@gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "António Pedro Marques", "address": "entonio at gmail.com" }, "date": "2012-03-22T16:06:12+00:00", "subject": "(urth) The Perils of Partnership", "in_reply_to": "<4F6B4CE1.5030909@gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Oh, but what I wanted to say, before I got carried on with the anti-amazon \nrant, was that in my experience - a reasonably thorough one - vendors are \nusually very honest in their presentation of items and conditions. At amazon \nor anywhere else, you should always check the vendor's rating (which however \nonly gains significance with the number of reviews).\nYou should also leave feedback on the order, saying exactly what you told \nus, that the library markings should have been mentioned (every other offer \nmentions them, so it's not ignorance on the vendor's part).\n\nAnt?nio Pedro Marques wrote (22-03-2012 16:01):" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "These days I only get 'used' stuff from the amazon marketplace if 'new'\nisn't available or the price just doesn't allow - good luck finding a new\nhardcover of\nhttp://www.amazon.com/New-Testament-Apocrypha-Vol-Apocalypses/dp/0664218792\n! As a rule I don't buy from amazon itself. I hate amazon. Amazon bought\nStanza only so it could terminate it and then released an iOS5 update which\ndoesn't work on iOS4 but is pushed to iOS4 devices anyway*. All to eliminate\ncompetition for the Kindle, and how come Kindle for iOS today is still far\nbehind 2008's Stanza where it comes to usefulness.\n\n(*) If you still have your binary of the previous Stanza in your hard drive\nthen you can easily undo the 'upgrade' with iFunBox, but you'll have to take\ncare not to allow it to be 'upgraded' again, which is a chore. The IPA has\nto be yours or the device jailbroken, otherwise no luck.\n\nMy first Gene Wolfe book was 'used', and how. I almost got afraid of getting\nsome disease from it. Once I'd finished it, I bought a new one. Sometimes I\nstay at small camping parks or the like and leave such duplicates there in\nthe community library.\n\nFred Kiesche wrote (22-03-2012 15:38):" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Following up: If anybody would like one of these (as I get my actual real\nlive NEW copies that are NEW), let me know. Or two. Or all three. First\ncome, first served.\n\nOn Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Fred Kiesche > wrote:\n\nGreetings:\nJust got my first three replacement copies of my missing Wolfe's:\nInnocents Abroad, Starwater Strains, and Strange Travellers--all short\nstory collections in case any of the titles in these are on the May Is\nGene Wolfe Shorts Month project.\nAnnoyed as they are all ex-library books: which the Amazon \"partner\" did\nnot mention in his/her description. I did not pay a lot, and these are\nall fine \"reading copies\", but given a choice between a ex-library book\nwith stickers, mylar wrap and stamps and things inside...and a actual\n\"new\" copy without any of that, I'll choose the new one.\nAm I a cranky book collector or what?\n\n--\nF.P. Kiesche III \"Ah Mr. Gibbon, another damned, fat, square book.\nAlways, scribble, scribble, scribble, eh?\" (The Duke of Gloucester, on\nbeing presented with Volume 2 of The Decline and Fall of the Roman\nEmpire.) Blogging at The Lensman's Children\n(http://theeternalgoldenbraid.blogspot.com/).\n\n\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<4F6B50C4.4030000@clueland.com>", "from": { "name": "Jeff Wilson", "address": "jwilson at clueland.com" }, "date": "2012-03-22T16:18:12+00:00", "subject": "(urth) The Perils of Partnership", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 3/22/2012 10:35 AM, Fred Kiesche wrote:\nAnnoyed as they are all ex-library books: which the Amazon \"partner\" did\nnot mention in his/her description. I did not pay a lot, and these are\nall fine \"reading copies\", but given a choice between a ex-library book\nwith stickers, mylar wrap and stamps and things inside...and a actual\n\"new\" copy without any of that, I'll choose the new one.\nAm I a cranky book collector or what?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Were they sold as new, or \"as good as new\" condition? If you bought \nbooks listed under the \"used\" tab, you could do a lot worse." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Jeff Wilson - jwilson at clueland.com\nComputational Intelligence Laboratory - Texas A&M Texarkana\n< http://www.tamut.edu/CIL >" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Matthew Weber", "address": "palaeologos at gmail.com" }, "date": "2012-03-22T16:22:14+00:00", "subject": "(urth) The Perils of Partnership", "in_reply_to": "<4F6B4DF4.9040909@gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Greetings:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "Just got my first three replacement copies of my missing Wolfe's:\nInnocents Abroad, Starwater Strains, and Strange Travellers--all short\nstory collections in case any of the titles in these are on the May Is\nGene Wolfe Shorts Month project.\nAnnoyed as they are all ex-library books: which the Amazon \"partner\" did\nnot mention in his/her description. I did not pay a lot, and these are\nall fine \"reading copies\", but given a choice between a ex-library book\nwith stickers, mylar wrap and stamps and things inside...and a actual\n\"new\" copy without any of that, I'll choose the new one.\nAm I a cranky book collector or what?\n\n--\nF.P. Kiesche III \"Ah Mr. Gibbon, another damned, fat, square book.\nAlways, scribble, scribble, scribble, eh?\" (The Duke of Gloucester, on\nbeing presented with Volume 2 of The Decline and Fall of the Roman\nEmpire.) Blogging at The Lensman's Children\n(http://theeternalgoldenbraid.**blogspot.com/\n)." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Fred, there are Amazon Marketplace vendors that pull this crap all the\ntime--listing books in \"good\" or \"very good\" condition when they've been\ndefaced with library stamps, written in, etc. I suggest being a complete\npain in the ass and giving the seller a \"poor\" rating (and giving specific\nreasons why the seller earned that rating). Quite often the seller will\ncontact you and ask that you revise the rating, which you should only do on\ncondition that they pay for return postage and a refund.\n\nOn the one hand, it's good that Amazon Marketplace has allowed all kinds of\nbooksellers to piggyback on Amazon's infrastructure and keep their\nbusinesses going. The downside is that any schmuck with a stack of\nwithdrawn library books can go online and sell them, and in so doing muddy\nthe waters for experienced bookmen who know their trade and are trying to\ndo a conscientious job of describing what they're selling. I've been where\nyou are several times, and it's extremely annoying." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Matt +\n\nGive a sop to Cerberus.\n Greek and Roman saying" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Matthew Weber", "address": "palaeologos at gmail.com" }, "date": "2012-03-22T16:23:21+00:00", "subject": "(urth) The Perils of Partnership", "in_reply_to": "<4F6B50C4.4030000@clueland.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 9:18 AM, Jeff Wilson wrote:\nOn 3/22/2012 10:35 AM, Fred Kiesche wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Annoyed as they are all ex-library books: which the Amazon \"partner\" did\nnot mention in his/her description. I did not pay a lot, and these are\nall fine \"reading copies\", but given a choice between a ex-library book\nwith stickers, mylar wrap and stamps and things inside...and a actual\n\"new\" copy without any of that, I'll choose the new one.\nAm I a cranky book collector or what?" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Were they sold as new, or \"as good as new\" condition? If you bought books\nlisted under the \"used\" tab, you could do a lot worse." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Jeff, a book sold in \"good\" or higher condition should not be defaced. A\nbook with stamps, labels, and pasted-in card holders is \"fair\" condition at\nbest." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Matt +\n\nGive a sop to Cerberus.\n Greek and Roman saying" } ] }, { "message_id": "<4F6B54EB.3010504@clueland.com>", "from": { "name": "Jeff Wilson", "address": "jwilson at clueland.com" }, "date": "2012-03-22T16:35:55+00:00", "subject": "(urth) The Perils of Partnership", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 3/22/2012 11:23 AM, Matthew Weber wrote:\n\n\nOn Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 9:18 AM, Jeff Wilson > wrote:\n\n On 3/22/2012 10:35 AM, Fred Kiesche wrote:\n\n Annoyed as they are all ex-library books: which the Amazon\n \"partner\" did\n not mention in his/her description. I did not pay a lot, and\n these are\n all fine \"reading copies\", but given a choice between a\n ex-library book\n with stickers, mylar wrap and stamps and things inside...and a\n actual\n \"new\" copy without any of that, I'll choose the new one.\n Am I a cranky book collector or what?\n\n\n Were they sold as new, or \"as good as new\" condition? If you bought\n books listed under the \"used\" tab, you could do a lot worse.\n\nJeff, a book sold in \"good\" or higher condition should not be defaced.\nA book with stamps, labels, and pasted-in card holders is \"fair\"\ncondition at best." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "If it's sold as a collectable, sure. As used retail merchandise, the \nstandards are lower. I admit the lines are blurred somewhat by the \nmarket's barriers to entry being lowered to the point where it's gainful \nto deal in single used items online.\n\nhttp://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B0062IGP0S/sr=/qid=/ref=olp_tab_used?ie=UTF8&coliid=&me=&qid=&sr=&seller=&colid=&condition=used\n\nWas it under the \"collectible\" or the \"used\" tab, Fred?" }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Jeff Wilson - jwilson at clueland.com\nComputational Intelligence Laboratory - Texas A&M Texarkana\n< http://www.tamut.edu/CIL >" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Matthew Weber", "address": "palaeologos at gmail.com" }, "date": "2012-03-22T16:44:23+00:00", "subject": "(urth) The Perils of Partnership", "in_reply_to": "<4F6B54EB.3010504@clueland.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 9:35 AM, Jeff Wilson wrote:\nOn 3/22/2012 11:23 AM, Matthew Weber wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 9:18 AM, Jeff Wilson > wrote:\n\n On 3/22/2012 10:35 AM, Fred Kiesche wrote:\n\n Annoyed as they are all ex-library books: which the Amazon\n \"partner\" did\n not mention in his/her description. I did not pay a lot, and\n these are\n all fine \"reading copies\", but given a choice between a\n ex-library book\n with stickers, mylar wrap and stamps and things inside...and a\n actual\n \"new\" copy without any of that, I'll choose the new one.\n Am I a cranky book collector or what?\n\n\n Were they sold as new, or \"as good as new\" condition? If you bought\n books listed under the \"used\" tab, you could do a lot worse.\n\nJeff, a book sold in \"good\" or higher condition should not be defaced.\nA book with stamps, labels, and pasted-in card holders is \"fair\"\ncondition at best." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "If it's sold as a collectable, sure. As used retail merchandise, the\nstandards are lower. I admit the lines are blurred somewhat by the market's\nbarriers to entry being lowered to the point where it's gainful to deal in\nsingle used items online.\n\nhttp://www.amazon.com/gp/**offer-listing/B0062IGP0S/sr=/**\nqid=/ref=olp_tab_used?ie=UTF8&**coliid=&me=&qid=&sr=&seller=&**\ncolid=&condition=used\n\nWas it under the \"collectible\" or the \"used\" tab, Fred?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Whether collectible or used doesn't really matter, I think. Under IOBA\nstandards, anything that's ex-library *must* be flagged as such :\nhttp://www.ioba.org/pages/resources/condition-definitions/" }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Matt +\n\nGive a sop to Cerberus.\n Greek and Roman saying" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Fred Kiesche", "address": "godelescherbach at gmail.com" }, "date": "2012-03-22T16:44:48+00:00", "subject": "(urth) The Perils of Partnership", "in_reply_to": "<4F6B4DF4.9040909@gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Rating was 100%. They shipped it quickly. They are in good shape. Just not\nthe shape that I was expecting. Sometimes a lack of description is\nmisleading.\n\n2012/3/22 Ant?nio Pedro Marques " }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Oh, but what I wanted to say, before I got carried on with the anti-amazon\nrant, was that in my experience - a reasonably thorough one - vendors are\nusually very honest in their presentation of items and conditions. At\namazon or anywhere else, you should always check the vendor's rating (which\nhowever only gains significance with the number of reviews).\nYou should also leave feedback on the order, saying exactly what you told\nus, that the library markings should have been mentioned (every other offer\nmentions them, so it's not ignorance on the vendor's part).\n\nAnt?nio Pedro Marques wrote (22-03-2012 16:01):\n\nThese days I only get 'used' stuff from the amazon marketplace if 'new'" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "isn't available or the price just doesn't allow - good luck finding a new\nhardcover of\nhttp://www.amazon.com/New-**Testament-Apocrypha-Vol-**\nApocalypses/dp/0664218792\n! As a rule I don't buy from amazon itself. I hate amazon. Amazon bought\nStanza only so it could terminate it and then released an iOS5 update\nwhich\ndoesn't work on iOS4 but is pushed to iOS4 devices anyway*. All to\neliminate\ncompetition for the Kindle, and how come Kindle for iOS today is still far\nbehind 2008's Stanza where it comes to usefulness.\n\n(*) If you still have your binary of the previous Stanza in your hard\ndrive\nthen you can easily undo the 'upgrade' with iFunBox, but you'll have to\ntake\ncare not to allow it to be 'upgraded' again, which is a chore. The IPA has\nto be yours or the device jailbroken, otherwise no luck.\n\nMy first Gene Wolfe book was 'used', and how. I almost got afraid of\ngetting\nsome disease from it. Once I'd finished it, I bought a new one. Sometimes\nI\nstay at small camping parks or the like and leave such duplicates there in\nthe community library.\n\nFred Kiesche wrote (22-03-2012 15:38):" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "Following up: If anybody would like one of these (as I get my actual real\nlive NEW copies that are NEW), let me know. Or two. Or all three. First\ncome, first served.\n\nOn Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Fred Kiesche <\ngodelescherbach at gmail.com\n>> wrote:\n\nGreetings:\nJust got my first three replacement copies of my missing Wolfe's:\nInnocents Abroad, Starwater Strains, and Strange Travellers--all short\nstory collections in case any of the titles in these are on the May Is\nGene Wolfe Shorts Month project.\nAnnoyed as they are all ex-library books: which the Amazon \"partner\" did\nnot mention in his/her description. I did not pay a lot, and these are\nall fine \"reading copies\", but given a choice between a ex-library book\nwith stickers, mylar wrap and stamps and things inside...and a actual\n\"new\" copy without any of that, I'll choose the new one.\nAm I a cranky book collector or what?\n\n--\nF.P. Kiesche III \"Ah Mr. Gibbon, another damned, fat, square book.\nAlways, scribble, scribble, scribble, eh?\" (The Duke of Gloucester, on\nbeing presented with Volume 2 of The Decline and Fall of the Roman\nEmpire.) Blogging at The Lensman's Children\n(http://theeternalgoldenbraid.**blogspot.com/\n).\n\n\n\n______________________________**_________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Fred Kiesche", "address": "godelescherbach at gmail.com" }, "date": "2012-03-22T16:47:01+00:00", "subject": "(urth) The Perils of Partnership", "in_reply_to": "<4F6B54EB.3010504@clueland.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "It was under USED, but when it is ex-library, it is **usuually** marked as\nsuch, in my prior experience.\n\nI've bought ex-library before--when I can't get used (or various\ndescriptions) or new.\n\nSo I just went through again, under used again, and purchased from several\nvendors who actually specifically said \"like new\" or \"gently used and\nunmarked\", etc., and had ratings of 99% or 100%." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Jeff Wilson wrote:\nOn 3/22/2012 11:23 AM, Matthew Weber wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 9:18 AM, Jeff Wilson > wrote:\n\n On 3/22/2012 10:35 AM, Fred Kiesche wrote:\n\n Annoyed as they are all ex-library books: which the Amazon\n \"partner\" did\n not mention in his/her description. I did not pay a lot, and\n these are\n all fine \"reading copies\", but given a choice between a\n ex-library book\n with stickers, mylar wrap and stamps and things inside...and a\n actual\n \"new\" copy without any of that, I'll choose the new one.\n Am I a cranky book collector or what?\n\n\n Were they sold as new, or \"as good as new\" condition? If you bought\n books listed under the \"used\" tab, you could do a lot worse.\n\nJeff, a book sold in \"good\" or higher condition should not be defaced.\nA book with stamps, labels, and pasted-in card holders is \"fair\"\ncondition at best." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "If it's sold as a collectable, sure. As used retail merchandise, the\nstandards are lower. I admit the lines are blurred somewhat by the market's\nbarriers to entry being lowered to the point where it's gainful to deal in\nsingle used items online.\n\nhttp://www.amazon.com/gp/**offer-listing/B0062IGP0S/sr=/**\nqid=/ref=olp_tab_used?ie=UTF8&**coliid=&me=&qid=&sr=&seller=&**\ncolid=&condition=used\n\nWas it under the \"collectible\" or the \"used\" tab, Fred?\n\n\n--\nJeff Wilson - jwilson at clueland.com\nComputational Intelligence Laboratory - Texas A&M Texarkana\n< http://www.tamut.edu/CIL >\n______________________________**_________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Fred Kiesche", "address": "godelescherbach at gmail.com" }, "date": "2012-03-22T16:48:15+00:00", "subject": "(urth) The Perils of Partnership", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "In other news: If anybody is looking for \"reading quality\" copies of these\nthree (one, two, or all three), please let me know. As soon as I get my\nother copies, I'll be happy to give them to somebody who does not already\nown." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 12:22 PM, Matthew Weber wrote:\n\n Greetings:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "Just got my first three replacement copies of my missing Wolfe's:\nInnocents Abroad, Starwater Strains, and Strange Travellers--all short\nstory collections in case any of the titles in these are on the May Is\nGene Wolfe Shorts Month project.\nAnnoyed as they are all ex-library books: which the Amazon \"partner\" did\nnot mention in his/her description. I did not pay a lot, and these are\nall fine \"reading copies\", but given a choice between a ex-library book\nwith stickers, mylar wrap and stamps and things inside...and a actual\n\"new\" copy without any of that, I'll choose the new one.\nAm I a cranky book collector or what?\n\n--\nF.P. Kiesche III \"Ah Mr. Gibbon, another damned, fat, square book.\nAlways, scribble, scribble, scribble, eh?\" (The Duke of Gloucester, on\nbeing presented with Volume 2 of The Decline and Fall of the Roman\nEmpire.) Blogging at The Lensman's Children\n(http://theeternalgoldenbraid.**blogspot.com/\n)." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Fred, there are Amazon Marketplace vendors that pull this crap all the\ntime--listing books in \"good\" or \"very good\" condition when they've been\ndefaced with library stamps, written in, etc. I suggest being a complete\npain in the ass and giving the seller a \"poor\" rating (and giving specific\nreasons why the seller earned that rating). Quite often the seller will\ncontact you and ask that you revise the rating, which you should only do on\ncondition that they pay for return postage and a refund.\n\nOn the one hand, it's good that Amazon Marketplace has allowed all kinds\nof booksellers to piggyback on Amazon's infrastructure and keep their\nbusinesses going. The downside is that any schmuck with a stack of\nwithdrawn library books can go online and sell them, and in so doing muddy\nthe waters for experienced bookmen who know their trade and are trying to\ndo a conscientious job of describing what they're selling. I've been where\nyou are several times, and it's extremely annoying.\n\n\n\n--\nMatt +\n\nGive a sop to Cerberus.\n Greek and Roman saying\n\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Gwern Branwen", "address": "gwern0 at gmail.com" }, "date": "2012-03-22T17:10:12+00:00", "subject": "(urth) The Perils of Partnership", "in_reply_to": "<4F6B4DF4.9040909@gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "2012/3/22 Ant?nio Pedro Marques :" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "At amazon or anywhere else, you should always check the vendor's rating\n(which however only gains significance with the number of reviews)." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Always an interesting statistical topic:\nhttp://andrewgelman.com/2007/03/bayesian_sortin/" }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "gwern\nhttp://www.gwern.net" } ] }, { "message_id": "<4F6B5EAA.1020304@gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "António Pedro Marques", "address": "entonio at gmail.com" }, "date": "2012-03-22T17:17:30+00:00", "subject": "(urth) The Perils of Partnership", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Rede, rede!\n\nGwern Branwen wrote (22-03-2012 17:10):" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "2012/3/22 Ant?nio Pedro Marques:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "At amazon or anywhere else, you should always check the vendor's rating\n(which however only gains significance with the number of reviews)." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Always an interesting statistical topic:\nhttp://andrewgelman.com/2007/03/bayesian_sortin/" } ] }, { "message_id": "<4F6B6E4D.8080708@clueland.com>", "from": { "name": "Jeff Wilson", "address": "jwilson at clueland.com" }, "date": "2012-03-22T18:24:13+00:00", "subject": "(urth) The Perils of Partnership", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 3/22/2012 11:44 AM, Matthew Weber wrote:\nWhether collectible or used doesn't really matter, I think. Under IOBA\nstandards, anything that's ex-library *must* be flagged as such :\nhttp://www.ioba.org/pages/resources/condition-definitions/" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Was the the IOBA visibly a party to the listing? I've been buying used \nbooks on Amazon for years and this is the first I've heard of them." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Jeff Wilson - jwilson at clueland.com\nComputational Intelligence Laboratory - Texas A&M Texarkana\n< http://www.tamut.edu/CIL >" } ] } ] }