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This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 6201, "subject": "Short Story 3 title correction: The Grave Secret", "messages": 10, "voices": 6, "first": "2012-03-25T05:03:16+00:00", "last": "2012-05-02T05:14:00+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "<1332651796.75682.YahooMailClassic@web161802.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Marc Aramini", "address": "marcaramini at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2012-03-25T05:03:16+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Short Story 3 title correction: The Grave Secret", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "My apologies, the third story is \"the Grave Secret\"\n\nStory #4 is \"The Dead Man\"\n\nAnyone who asked to receive the stories but did not please let me know." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Daniel Petersen", "address": "danielottojackpetersen at gmail.com" }, "date": "2012-03-25T13:47:58+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Short Story 3 title correction: The Grave Secret", "in_reply_to": "<1332651796.75682.YahooMailClassic@web161802.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "These are really enjoyable so far, Marc. Thanks. (Is it too late to get\nin on receiving these early stories you're referencing?)\n\n-DOJP" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 6:03 AM, Marc Aramini wrote:\nMy apologies, the third story is \"the Grave Secret\"\n\nStory #4 is \"The Dead Man\"\n\nAnyone who asked to receive the stories but did not please let me know.\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Fred Kiesche", "address": "godelescherbach at gmail.com" }, "date": "2012-03-25T19:59:01+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Short Story 3 title correction: The Grave Secret", "in_reply_to": "<1332651796.75682.YahooMailClassic@web161802.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I would like the list, please.\n\nOn Mar 25, 2012 1:03 AM, \"Marc Aramini\" wrote:\n\nMy apologies, the third story is \"the Grave Secret\"\n\nStory #4 is \"The Dead Man\"\n\nAnyone who asked to receive the stories but did not please let me know." } ] }, { "message_id": "<4F7C86FD.8020402@verizon.net>", "from": { "name": "David Stockhoff", "address": "dstockhoff at verizon.net" }, "date": "2012-04-04T17:38:05+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Short Story 3 title correction: The Grave Secret", "in_reply_to": "<1332651796.75682.YahooMailClassic@web161802.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "The Grave Secret is not a serious story, and yet is not so bad in some \nways. Detailed, but clumsy. I'd be proud of it if it were mine, but I'd \nclean it up first. And it could be funnier; it gestures toward humor but \ndoes not achieve it.\n\nAnd silly too. How did the ghost perform the necessary magic? Best not \nto think about it." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 3/25/2012 1:03 AM, Marc Aramini wrote:\nMy apologies, the third story is \"the Grave Secret\"\n\nStory #4 is \"The Dead Man\"\n\nAnyone who asked to receive the stories but did not please let me know.\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes", "address": "danldo at gmail.com" }, "date": "2012-04-04T17:43:05+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Short Story 3 title correction: The Grave Secret", "in_reply_to": "<4F7C86FD.8020402@verizon.net>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "\"The Grave Secret\" is basically a good _Weird Tales_ entry for the\nclassic 30s/40s incarnation of that magazine." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 10:38 AM, David Stockhoff wrote:\nThe Grave Secret is not a serious story, and yet is not so bad in some ways.\nDetailed, but clumsy. I'd be proud of it if it were mine, but I'd clean it\nup first. And it could be funnier; it gestures toward humor but does not\nachieve it.\n\nAnd silly too. How did the ghost perform the necessary magic? Best not to\nthink about it.\n\n\nOn 3/25/2012 1:03 AM, Marc Aramini wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "My apologies, the third story is \"the Grave Secret\"\n\nStory #4 is \"The Dead Man\"\n\nAnyone who asked to receive the stories but did not please let me know.\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<4F7C8D03.8050209@verizon.net>", "from": { "name": "David Stockhoff", "address": "dstockhoff at verizon.net" }, "date": "2012-04-04T18:03:47+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Short Story 3 title correction: The Grave Secret", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "That must have been before science fiction was able to afford editors. ;)" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 4/4/2012 1:43 PM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:\n\"The Grave Secret\" is basically a good _Weird Tales_ entry for the\nclassic 30s/40s incarnation of that magazine.\n\nOn Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 10:38 AM, David Stockhoff wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "The Grave Secret is not a serious story, and yet is not so bad in some ways.\nDetailed, but clumsy. I'd be proud of it if it were mine, but I'd clean it\nup first. And it could be funnier; it gestures toward humor but does not\nachieve it.\n\nAnd silly too. How did the ghost perform the necessary magic? Best not to\nthink about it.\n\n\nOn 3/25/2012 1:03 AM, Marc Aramini wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "My apologies, the third story is \"the Grave Secret\"\n\nStory #4 is \"The Dead Man\"\n\nAnyone who asked to receive the stories but did not please let me know.\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<4FA0604E.6000501@verizon.net>", "from": { "name": "David Stockhoff", "address": "dstockhoff at verizon.net" }, "date": "2012-05-01T22:14:38+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Short Story 3 title correction: The Grave Secret", "in_reply_to": "<4F7C8D03.8050209@verizon.net>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "A Cthulhu Mythos story by Clark Ashton Smith, THE RETURN OF THE \nSORCERER, may have been the origin of this one. Working as a translator \nfor a John Carnby, the narrator reads from the original Arabic Necronomicon:\n\n'It is verily known by few, but is nevertheless no attestable fact, that \nthe will of a dead sorcerer hath power upon his own body and can raise \nit up from the tomb and perform therewith whatever action was \nunfulfilled in life. And such resurrections are invariably for the doing \nof malevolent deeds and for the detriment of other's. Most readily can \nthe corpse be animated if all its members have remained intact; and yet \nthere are cases in which the excelling will of the wizard hath reared up \nfrom death the sundered pieces of a body hewn in many fragments, and \nhath caused them to serve his end, either separately or in a temporary \nreunion. But in every instance, after the action hath been completed, \nthe body lapseth into its former state.'\n\nThis is of course exactly what happens to the protagonist of The Grave \nSecret." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 4/4/2012 2:03 PM, David Stockhoff wrote:\nThat must have been before science fiction was able to afford editors. ;)\n\nOn 4/4/2012 1:43 PM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "\"The Grave Secret\" is basically a good _Weird Tales_ entry for the\nclassic 30s/40s incarnation of that magazine.\n\nOn Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 10:38 AM, David \nStockhoff wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "The Grave Secret is not a serious story, and yet is not so bad in \nsome ways.\nDetailed, but clumsy. I'd be proud of it if it were mine, but I'd \nclean it\nup first. And it could be funnier; it gestures toward humor but does \nnot\nachieve it.\n\nAnd silly too. How did the ghost perform the necessary magic? Best \nnot to\nthink about it.\n\n\nOn 3/25/2012 1:03 AM, Marc Aramini wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "My apologies, the third story is \"the Grave Secret\"\n\nStory #4 is \"The Dead Man\"\n\nAnyone who asked to receive the stories but did not please let me \nknow.\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<1335914271.78281.YahooMailClassic@web161802.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Marc Aramini", "address": "marcaramini at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2012-05-01T23:17:51+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Short Story 3 title correction: The Grave Secret", "in_reply_to": "<4FA0604E.6000501@verizon.net>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I agree completely. my allusion section read:\n\nALLUSIONS: Clark Ashton Smith in such necromantic works as The Return of the Sorcerer and HP Lovecraft are channeled directly here\n\noh yeah. [Hi C man busts through wall]" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "--- On Tue, 5/1/12, David Stockhoff wrote:\nFrom: David Stockhoff \nSubject: Re: (urth) Short Story 3 title correction: The Grave Secret\nTo: \"The Urth Mailing List\" \nDate: Tuesday, May 1, 2012, 3:14 PM\nA Cthulhu Mythos story by Clark\nAshton Smith, THE RETURN OF THE SORCERER, may have been the\norigin of this one. Working as a translator for a John\nCarnby, the narrator reads from the original Arabic\nNecronomicon:\n\n'It is verily known by few, but is nevertheless no\nattestable fact, that the will of a dead sorcerer hath power\nupon his own body and can raise it up from the tomb and\nperform therewith whatever action was unfulfilled in life.\nAnd such resurrections are invariably for the doing of\nmalevolent deeds and for the detriment of other's. Most\nreadily can the corpse be animated if all its members have\nremained intact; and yet there are cases in which the\nexcelling will of the wizard hath reared up from death the\nsundered pieces of a body hewn in many fragments, and hath\ncaused them to serve his end, either separately or in a\ntemporary reunion. But in every instance, after the action\nhath been completed, the body lapseth into its former\nstate.'\n\nThis is of course exactly what happens to the protagonist of\nThe Grave Secret.\n\nOn 4/4/2012 2:03 PM, David Stockhoff wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "That must have been before science fiction was able to\nafford editors. ;)\n\nOn 4/4/2012 1:43 PM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "\"The Grave Secret\" is basically a good _Weird\nTales_ entry for the\nclassic 30s/40s incarnation of that magazine.\n\nOn Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 10:38 AM, David\nStockhoff?" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "The Grave Secret is not a serious story, and\nyet is not so bad in some ways.\nDetailed, but clumsy. I'd be proud of it if it\nwere mine, but I'd clean it\nup first. And it could be funnier; it gestures\ntoward humor but does not\nachieve it.\n\nAnd silly too. How did the ghost perform the\nnecessary magic? Best not to\nthink about it.\n\n\nOn 3/25/2012 1:03 AM, Marc Aramini wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 5, "text": "My apologies, the third story is \"the Grave\nSecret\"\n\nStory #4 is \"The Dead Man\"\n\nAnyone who asked to receive the stories but\ndid not please let me know." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<4FA072CD.704@verizon.net>", "from": { "name": "David Stockhoff", "address": "dstockhoff at verizon.net" }, "date": "2012-05-01T23:33:33+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Short Story 3 title correction: The Grave Secret", "in_reply_to": "<1335914271.78281.YahooMailClassic@web161802.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": ";)\n\nI suppose everybody already knows about the debt to Lovecraft's \nInnsmouth story owed by An Evil Guest and A Tree Is My Hat?" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 5/1/2012 7:17 PM, Marc Aramini wrote:\nI agree completely. my allusion section read:\n\nALLUSIONS: Clark Ashton Smith in such necromantic works as The Return of the Sorcerer and HP Lovecraft are channeled directly here\n\noh yeah. [Hi C man busts through wall]\n\n--- On Tue, 5/1/12, David Stockhoff wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "From: David Stockhoff\nSubject: Re: (urth) Short Story 3 title correction: The Grave Secret\nTo: \"The Urth Mailing List\"\nDate: Tuesday, May 1, 2012, 3:14 PM\nA Cthulhu Mythos story by Clark\nAshton Smith, THE RETURN OF THE SORCERER, may have been the\norigin of this one. Working as a translator for a John\nCarnby, the narrator reads from the original Arabic\nNecronomicon:\n\n'It is verily known by few, but is nevertheless no\nattestable fact, that the will of a dead sorcerer hath power\nupon his own body and can raise it up from the tomb and\nperform therewith whatever action was unfulfilled in life.\nAnd such resurrections are invariably for the doing of\nmalevolent deeds and for the detriment of other's. Most\nreadily can the corpse be animated if all its members have\nremained intact; and yet there are cases in which the\nexcelling will of the wizard hath reared up from death the\nsundered pieces of a body hewn in many fragments, and hath\ncaused them to serve his end, either separately or in a\ntemporary reunion. But in every instance, after the action\nhath been completed, the body lapseth into its former\nstate.'\n\nThis is of course exactly what happens to the protagonist of\nThe Grave Secret.\n\nOn 4/4/2012 2:03 PM, David Stockhoff wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "That must have been before science fiction was able to\nafford editors. ;)\nOn 4/4/2012 1:43 PM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "\"The Grave Secret\" is basically a good _Weird\nTales_ entry for the\nclassic 30s/40s incarnation of that magazine.\n\nOn Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 10:38 AM, David\nStockhoff \nwrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 5, "text": "The Grave Secret is not a serious story, and\nyet is not so bad in some ways.\nDetailed, but clumsy. I'd be proud of it if it\nwere mine, but I'd clean it\nup first. And it could be funnier; it gestures\ntoward humor but does not\nachieve it.\n\nAnd silly too. How did the ghost perform the\nnecessary magic? Best not to\nthink about it.\n\n\nOn 3/25/2012 1:03 AM, Marc Aramini wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 6, "text": "My apologies, the third story is \"the Grave\nSecret\"\nStory #4 is \"The Dead Man\"\n\nAnyone who asked to receive the stories but\ndid not please let me know." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<4FA0C298.7010609@clueland.com>", "from": { "name": "Jeff Wilson", "address": "jwilson at clueland.com" }, "date": "2012-05-02T05:14:00+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Short Story 3 title correction: The Grave Secret", "in_reply_to": "<1335914271.78281.YahooMailClassic@web161802.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 5/1/2012 6:17 PM, Marc Aramini wrote:\nI agree completely. my allusion section read:\n\nALLUSIONS: Clark Ashton Smith in such necromantic works as The Return of the Sorcerer and HP Lovecraft are channeled directly here\n\noh yeah. [Hi C man busts through wall]" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Kool-Aid, homes\n\nhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Ar6xC8KM-jk#t=9s" }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Jeff Wilson - jwilson at clueland.com\nComputational Intelligence Laboratory - Texas A&M Texarkana\n< http://www.tamut.edu/CIL >" } ] } ] }