{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/6203", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 6203, "subject": "The Great Gene Wolfe Rebuild", "messages": 7, "voices": 5, "first": "2012-03-26T14:36:07+00:00", "last": "2012-03-26T23:34:44+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Fred Kiesche", "address": "godelescherbach at gmail.com" }, "date": "2012-03-26T14:36:07+00:00", "subject": "(urth) The Great Gene Wolfe Rebuild", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "The rebuilding of missing (and never purchased) volumes continues. Mr.\nMailman dropped off the Tor edition of \"Fifth Head\" and in the criticism\ndepartment, I got Peter Wright's \"Attending Daedalus\".\n\nThe back of the book does not say much about Wright, but the name rings a\nbell. The only other credit they list is a book on British TV...did he\nwrite/co-author a book about Doctor Who as well?" }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "F.P. Kiesche III \"Ah Mr. Gibbon, another damned, fat, square book. Always,\nscribble, scribble, scribble, eh?\" (The Duke of Gloucester, on being\npresented with Volume 2 of The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire.)\nBlogging at The Lensman's Children (\nhttp://theeternalgoldenbraid.blogspot.com/)." } ] }, { "message_id": "<4F708456.3000107@clueland.com>", "from": { "name": "Jeff Wilson", "address": "jwilson at clueland.com" }, "date": "2012-03-26T14:59:34+00:00", "subject": "(urth) The Great Gene Wolfe Rebuild", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 3/26/2012 9:36 AM, Fred Kiesche wrote:\nPeter Wright's \"Attending Daedalus\"" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "SHADOWS OF THE NEW SUN and _Teaching Science Fiction (Teaching the New \nEnglish)_ are his as well." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Jeff Wilson - jwilson at clueland.com\nComputational Intelligence Laboratory - Texas A&M Texarkana\n< http://www.tamut.edu/CIL >" } ] }, { "message_id": "<1332775153.53226.YahooMailClassic@web161805.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Marc Aramini", "address": "marcaramini at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2012-03-26T15:19:13+00:00", "subject": "(urth) The Great Gene Wolfe Rebuild", "in_reply_to": "<4F708456.3000107@clueland.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "And for what it's worth \"Shadows of the New Sun\" totally redeems the slightly narrow materialistic interpretive scheme of \"Attending Daedalus\" - a wonderful collection of essays. I highly recommend it." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "--- On Mon, 3/26/12, Jeff Wilson wrote:\nFrom: Jeff Wilson \nSubject: Re: (urth) The Great Gene Wolfe Rebuild\nTo: \"The Urth Mailing List\" \nDate: Monday, March 26, 2012, 7:59 AM\nOn 3/26/2012 9:36 AM, Fred Kiesche\nwrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Peter Wright's \"Attending Daedalus\"" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "SHADOWS OF THE NEW SUN and _Teaching Science Fiction\n(Teaching the New English)_ are his as well.\n\n-- Jeff Wilson - jwilson at clueland.com\nComputational Intelligence Laboratory - Texas A&M\nTexarkana\n< http://www.tamut.edu/CIL >\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Fred Kiesche", "address": "godelescherbach at gmail.com" }, "date": "2012-03-26T15:22:02+00:00", "subject": "(urth) The Great Gene Wolfe Rebuild", "in_reply_to": "<1332775153.53226.YahooMailClassic@web161805.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I just looked at my Excel spreadsheet (more or less accurate, it's a moving\ntarget!!!) of my book collection and I have \"Shadows of the New Sun\". So\nthat probably explains why the name was familiar!" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 11:19 AM, Marc Aramini wrote:\nAnd for what it's worth \"Shadows of the New Sun\" totally redeems the\nslightly narrow materialistic interpretive scheme of \"Attending Daedalus\" -\na wonderful collection of essays. I highly recommend it.\n\n--- On Mon, 3/26/12, Jeff Wilson wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "From: Jeff Wilson \nSubject: Re: (urth) The Great Gene Wolfe Rebuild\nTo: \"The Urth Mailing List\" \nDate: Monday, March 26, 2012, 7:59 AM\n > On 3/26/2012 9:36 AM, Fred Kiesche\nwrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "Peter Wright's \"Attending Daedalus\"" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "SHADOWS OF THE NEW SUN and _Teaching Science Fiction\n(Teaching the New English)_ are his as well.\n\n-- Jeff Wilson - jwilson at clueland.com\nComputational Intelligence Laboratory - Texas A&M\nTexarkana\n< http://www.tamut.edu/CIL >\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Nick Lee", "address": "starwaterstrain at gmail.com" }, "date": "2012-03-26T22:54:04+00:00", "subject": "(urth) The Great Gene Wolfe Rebuild", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Fred Kiesche:\n\n\"The back of the book does not say much about Wright, but the name rings a\nbell. The only other credit they list is a book on British TV...did he\nwrite/co-author a book about Doctor Who as well?\"\n\nWright is also heavily into film studies. He does anaylze sci-fi television.\n\nThis might be the book you're thinking of:\nhttp://www.amazon.com/British-Science-Fiction-Television-Hitchhikers/dp/184511048X\n\n\nMarc Aramini:\n\n\"the slightly narrow materialistic interpretive scheme of \"Attending Daedalus\"\"\n\nYou have to be pretty familiar with Wright's theoretical basis to\ngrasp his thesis. I think it's a valid reading of the novels though I\ndon't agree with all of it. I was actually a little disappointed in\nShadows as I already was familiar with most of that information,\neither in print or on-line." } ] }, { "message_id": "<1332803570.43957.YahooMailNeo@web121003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Craig Brewer", "address": "cnbrewer at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2012-03-26T23:12:50+00:00", "subject": "(urth) The Great Gene Wolfe Rebuild", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Wright is usually right (sorry) about Wolfe's relation to the reader, and he's really insightful about the way Wolfe crafts relationships between text, narrative, readers, etc. The problem is that he draws some pretty clear conclusions about the content of the books based on the ambiguities of the different levels he analyzes, rather than turning that ambiguity back on his own reading.\n\nI think people who dislike the book based on the materialistic/atheistic conclusions miss out on a lot of good stuff in his approach. Like you say, his real thesis or \"theoretical basis\" isn't primarily the materialism/atheism reading of New Sun; that's a consequence of his more important things to say about how he conceives of Wolfe relating to readers, fuzzing the relation between truth/fiction/manipulation and what not. I ultimately think that his approach to Wolfe is compatible with both atheistic and theological interpretations. It's not *what* you conclude about the book's relationship to Wolfe's religion that's important to him; it's how to arrive at those conclusions.\n\nI do think Shadows is important just because it finally collects a lot of things in one place that were scattered. Whether or not it's worth the price it's going for now is another issue...\n\n\n\n________________________________\n From: Nick Lee \nTo: urth \nSent: Monday, March 26, 2012 5:54 PM\nSubject: Re: (urth) The Great Gene Wolfe Rebuild\n \nFred Kiesche:\n\n\"The back of the book does not say much about Wright, but the name rings a\nbell. The only other credit they list is a book on British TV...did he\nwrite/co-author a book about Doctor Who as well?\"\n\nWright is also heavily into film studies. He does anaylze sci-fi television.\n\nThis might be the book you're thinking of:\nhttp://www.amazon.com/British-Science-Fiction-Television-Hitchhikers/dp/184511048X\n\n\nMarc Aramini:\n\n\"the slightly narrow materialistic interpretive scheme of \"Attending Daedalus\"\"\n\nYou have to be pretty familiar with Wright's theoretical basis to\ngrasp his thesis. I think it's a valid reading of the novels though I\ndon't agree with all of it. I was actually a little disappointed in\nShadows as I already was familiar with most of that information,\neither in print or on-line." } ] }, { "message_id": "<1332804884.89783.YahooMailClassic@web161802.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Marc Aramini", "address": "marcaramini at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2012-03-26T23:34:44+00:00", "subject": "(urth) The Great Gene Wolfe Rebuild", "in_reply_to": "<1332803570.43957.YahooMailNeo@web121003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I love Shadows of the New Sun for the story of the Polish man who spoke broken English and throughout his entire life in America people struggled to understand him. His son was so excited to think that when they visited Poland his father would finally be able to express himself eloquently and without fear ... yet no one understood him when he went to Poland - the father was not fluent in any language. I knew a guy like that in the Circus from Brazil. He was in charge of publicity - he spoke his own hybrid. " } ] } ] }