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This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 6353, "subject": "lafferty's Camiroi and the government of St. Croix", "messages": 3, "voices": 2, "first": "2013-03-24T15:06:23+00:00", "last": "2013-03-25T03:07:19+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "<1364137583.86240.YahooMailClassic@web160704.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Marc Aramini", "address": "marcaramini at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2013-03-24T15:06:23+00:00", "subject": "(urth) lafferty's Camiroi and the government of St. Croix", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Really quickly I realized I forgot to mention that the government of St Croix is a bit bizarre- guys are arresting Marsch who all seem to have a very similary face, and they say that next week they might work for the sewers, or the library, or serve some other public function, as the need arises. either multifaceted talents dabble in everything, or there is a strange structure to the assignation of duties in the society.\n\nWhile I realize Lafferty was pretty contemporary with Wolfe, I am reminded not only of Kefka's bureacracies in these scenes but also the way Lafferty's planet Camiroi works: all people do all things, just by saying that they are. Then they subject themselves to some other tight things by taking that responsibility, but it sems very easy for everyone to make a law there. St. Croix has a system that claims to do exactly what it says it is going to do, but the idea of a sewer worker arresting and reading someone their rights seems particularly out of Lafferty's stories of the Camiroi (incidentally, the public schools there operate on some extreme capital punishment). — No doubt those familiar with Lafferty's stories of Camiroi will know what I am getting at better than I can explain it. Of course the tone between the two author's works in question is completely different." } ] }, { "message_id": "<588FE466-2B02-4A3A-9E61-69D14FB63B79@gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "António Pedro Marques", "address": "entonio at gmail.com" }, "date": "2013-03-25T01:39:45+00:00", "subject": "(urth) lafferty's Camiroi and the government of St. Croix", "in_reply_to": "<1364137583.86240.YahooMailClassic@web160704.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I'm reminded of Thomas More's Utopia, in which if memory serves the 'monarch' was chosen at random each week from the general population. But it's at best a very remote inspiration.\n\n\nNo dia 24/03/2013, ?s 15:06, Marc Aramini escreveu:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Really quickly I realized I forgot to mention that the government of St Croix is a bit bizarre- guys are arresting Marsch who all seem to have a very similary face, and they say that next week they might work for the sewers, or the library, or serve some other public function, as the need arises. either multifaceted talents dabble in everything, or there is a strange structure to the assignation of duties in the society. \n \nWhile I realize Lafferty was pretty contemporary with Wolfe, I am reminded not only of Kefka's bureacracies in these scenes but also the way Lafferty's planet Camiroi works: all people do all things, just by saying that they are. Then they subject themselves to some other tight things by taking that responsibility, but it sems very easy for everyone to make a law there. St. Croix has a system that claims to do exactly what it says it is going to do, but the idea of a sewer worker arresting and reading someone their rights seems particularly out of Lafferty's stories of the Camiroi (incidentally, the public schools there operate on some extreme capital punishment). No doubt those familiar with Lafferty's stories of Camiroi will know what I am getting at better than I can explain it. Of course the tone between the two author's works in question is completely different.\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<16767D40-1B91-4A18-9008-65A3037BD620@yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Marc Aramini", "address": "marcaramini at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2013-03-25T03:07:19+00:00", "subject": "(urth) lafferty's Camiroi and the government of St. Croix", "in_reply_to": "<588FE466-2B02-4A3A-9E61-69D14FB63B79@gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Well ... Wasn't Thomas Moore the main character in lafferty' s past master? Then I say, sure, sounds right!!\n\n\nSent from my iPhone" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Mar 24, 2013, at 6:39 PM, Ant?nio Pedro Marques wrote:\nI'm reminded of Thomas More's Utopia, in which if memory serves the 'monarch' was chosen at random each week from the general population. But it's at best a very remote inspiration.\n\n\nNo dia 24/03/2013, ?s 15:06, Marc Aramini escreveu:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Really quickly I realized I forgot to mention that the government of St Croix is a bit bizarre- guys are arresting Marsch who all seem to have a very similary face, and they say that next week they might work for the sewers, or the library, or serve some other public function, as the need arises. either multifaceted talents dabble in everything, or there is a strange structure to the assignation of duties in the society. \n \nWhile I realize Lafferty was pretty contemporary with Wolfe, I am reminded not only of Kefka's bureacracies in these scenes but also the way Lafferty's planet Camiroi works: all people do all things, just by saying that they are. Then they subject themselves to some other tight things by taking that responsibility, but it sems very easy for everyone to make a law there. St. Croix has a system that claims to do exactly what it says it is going to do, but the idea of a sewer worker arresting and reading someone their rights seems particularly out of Lafferty's stories of the Camiroi (incidentally, the public schools there operate on some extreme capital punishment). No doubt those familiar with Lafferty's stories of Camiroi will know what I am getting at better than I can explain it. Of course the tone between the two author's works in question is completely different.\n_______________________________________________" } ] } ] }