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This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 6365, "subject": "5hoc: carapace, the cemetery columns, Sandwalker's feet,\n\tpredendritic", "messages": 6, "voices": 3, "first": "2013-04-07T13:59:32+00:00", "last": "2013-04-07T21:21:53+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "<1365343172.14765.YahooMailClassic@web160704.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Marc Aramini", "address": "marcaramini at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2013-04-07T13:59:32+00:00", "subject": "(urth) 5hoc: carapace, the cemetery columns, Sandwalker's feet,\n\tpredendritic", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "One more quick thought. Everyone dreams of being surrounded by columns or trees. In Number 5's dreams, eventually these columns are revealed to have words that are rubbed off (the same time he realizes it is like a mausoleum or cemetery that all carry his name and different dates). the only word he can make out is \"carapace\".\n\nLater, the aborigines are confused with old wood, posts, etc. Notice the post like/pillar nature of many of the demi-mondaine's legs.\n\nI am still trying to put together the aboriginal life cycle. The term pre-dendritic is very interesting to me, as Marsch describes the aboriginal culture. Since the columns in the first novella surround a graveyard, are the big circle of trees like a graveyard, too? In VRT, that \"temple\" is cut down (402 trees in a big circle). \n\nSpecifically, should we take pre-dendritic literally? For a certain non-imitative aborigine who has not become \"human\", does death or maturity prompt a hard woody carapace that then makes them dendritic and rooted?\n\nThe reason I ask this is that in the death scene of VRT, the river tree that reaches out for?VRT to save him is mentioned with \"feet\" imagery. — Only one character always has foot imagery associated with him - he who drops from a higher place to a lower - Sandwalker. (and there, VRT drops down - and I do liken \"Sandwalker's\" fate to VRT - replaced by somebody who dreams that he is in fact the dead one (thus i?juxtapose castrated ancestor Eastwind with the airborne Shadowchild))? Is this big tree in the river reaching out for VRT Sandwalker's carapace encased corpse? How complicated are their life cycles? I am assuming that of course one who imitates another species would leave this portion of the life cycle behind. \n\nThe classification as predendritic got me thinking about that." } ] }, { "message_id": "<5161D584.2010803@verizon.net>", "from": { "name": "David Stockhoff", "address": "dstockhoff at verizon.net" }, "date": "2013-04-07T20:22:28+00:00", "subject": "(urth) 5hoc: carapace, the cemetery columns, Sandwalker's feet,\n predendritic", "in_reply_to": "<1365343172.14765.YahooMailClassic@web160704.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "What about \"dendritic\" as possibly meaning \"living in trees\"?\n\nNever mind living */as /*trees . . ." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 4/7/2013 9:59 AM, Marc Aramini wrote:\nOne more quick thought. Everyone dreams of being surrounded by \ncolumns or trees. In Number 5's dreams, eventually these columns are \nrevealed to have words that are rubbed off (the same time he realizes \nit is like a mausoleum or cemetery that all carry his name and \ndifferent dates). the only word he can make out is \"carapace\".\nLater, the aborigines are confused with old wood, posts, etc. Notice \nthe post like/pillar nature of many of the demi-mondaine's legs.\nI am still trying to put together the aboriginal life cycle. The term \npre-dendritic is very interesting to me, as Marsch describes the \naboriginal culture. Since the columns in the first novella surround a \ngraveyard, are the big circle of trees like a graveyard, too? In VRT, \nthat \"temple\" is cut down (402 trees in a big circle).\nSpecifically, should we take pre-dendritic literally? For a certain \nnon-imitative aborigine who has not become \"human\", does death or \nmaturity prompt a hard woody carapace that then makes them dendritic \nand rooted?\nThe reason I ask this is that in the death scene of VRT, the river \ntree that reaches out for VRT to save him is mentioned with \"feet\" \nimagery. Only one character always has foot imagery associated with \nhim - he who drops from a higher place to a lower - Sandwalker. (and \nthere, VRT drops down - and I do liken \"Sandwalker's\" fate to VRT - \nreplaced by somebody who dreams that he is in fact the dead one (thus \ni juxtapose castrated ancestor Eastwind with the airborne \nShadowchild)) Is this big tree in the river reaching out for VRT \nSandwalker's carapace encased corpse? How complicated are their life \ncycles? I am assuming that of course one who imitates another species \nwould leave this portion of the life cycle behind.\nThe classification as predendritic got me thinking about that.\n\n\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<1B517AB6-22E5-4C60-B75B-0A27BE16240C@goosemoon.org>", "from": { "name": "Allan Anderson", "address": "rubel at goosemoon.org" }, "date": "2013-04-07T20:27:28+00:00", "subject": "(urth) 5hoc: carapace, the cemetery columns, Sandwalker's feet,\n\tpredendritic", "in_reply_to": "<1365343172.14765.YahooMailClassic@web160704.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Apr 7, 2013, at 6:59 AM, Marc Aramini wrote:\nLater, the aborigines are confused with old wood, posts, etc." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Mmm, like the Kate Bush song \"Dreamtime\"? \n\n\"Many an Aborigine's mistaken for a tree/'til you near him on the motorway/the tree begins to breathe\"\n\nPardon my digression,\nAllan" } ] }, { "message_id": "<5161D970.9010409@verizon.net>", "from": { "name": "David Stockhoff", "address": "dstockhoff at verizon.net" }, "date": "2013-04-07T20:39:12+00:00", "subject": "(urth) 5hoc: carapace, the cemetery columns, Sandwalker's feet,\n predendritic", "in_reply_to": "<1B517AB6-22E5-4C60-B75B-0A27BE16240C@goosemoon.org>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I've never been able to find a source for that notion. I can only guess \nit's an old racist canard that hasn't survived into the Internet age, at \nleast not on the Internet." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 4/7/2013 4:27 PM, Allan Anderson wrote:\nOn Apr 7, 2013, at 6:59 AM, Marc Aramini > wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Later, the aborigines are confused with old wood, posts, etc." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Mmm, like the Kate Bush song \"Dreamtime\"?\n\n\"Many an Aborigine's mistaken for a tree/'til you near him on the \nmotorway/the tree begins to breathe\"\n\nPardon my digression,\nAllan\n\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<880C8306-545B-4725-BF2F-171A4FD2ED3E@yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Marc Aramini", "address": "marcaramini at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2013-04-07T20:51:57+00:00", "subject": "(urth) 5hoc: carapace, the cemetery columns, Sandwalker's feet,\n\tpredendritic", "in_reply_to": "<5161D584.2010803@verizon.net>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "And making them move around and reach out and mate, just using them as removable carapaces? I think the subtextual presence of keeping the trees satisfied and expecting greetings from them and them saying that children are theirs is a bit more than that. \n\nSent from my iPhone" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Apr 7, 2013, at 1:22 PM, David Stockhoff wrote:\nWhat about \"dendritic\" as possibly meaning \"living in trees\"?\n\nNever mind living */as /*trees . . .\n\nOn 4/7/2013 9:59 AM, Marc Aramini wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "One more quick thought. Everyone dreams of being surrounded by columns or trees. In Number 5's dreams, eventually these columns are revealed to have words that are rubbed off (the same time he realizes it is like a mausoleum or cemetery that all carry his name and different dates). the only word he can make out is \"carapace\".\nLater, the aborigines are confused with old wood, posts, etc. Notice the post like/pillar nature of many of the demi-mondaine's legs.\nI am still trying to put together the aboriginal life cycle. The term pre-dendritic is very interesting to me, as Marsch describes the aboriginal culture. Since the columns in the first novella surround a graveyard, are the big circle of trees like a graveyard, too? In VRT, that \"temple\" is cut down (402 trees in a big circle).\nSpecifically, should we take pre-dendritic literally? For a certain non-imitative aborigine who has not become \"human\", does death or maturity prompt a hard woody carapace that then makes them dendritic and rooted?\nThe reason I ask this is that in the death scene of VRT, the river tree that reaches out for VRT to save him is mentioned with \"feet\" imagery. Only one character always has foot imagery associated with him - he who drops from a higher place to a lower - Sandwalker. (and there, VRT drops down - and I do liken \"Sandwalker's\" fate to VRT - replaced by somebody who dreams that he is in fact the dead one (thus i juxtapose castrated ancestor Eastwind with the airborne Shadowchild)) Is this big tree in the river reaching out for VRT Sandwalker's carapace encased corpse? How complicated are their life cycles? I am assuming that of course one who imitates another species would leave this portion of the life cycle behind.\nThe classification as predendritic got me thinking about that.\n\n\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<5161E371.4010700@verizon.net>", "from": { "name": "David Stockhoff", "address": "dstockhoff at verizon.net" }, "date": "2013-04-07T21:21:53+00:00", "subject": "(urth) 5hoc: carapace, the cemetery columns, Sandwalker's feet,\n predendritic", "in_reply_to": "<880C8306-545B-4725-BF2F-171A4FD2ED3E@yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Sure. I suppose I was thinking as much of the reference to Gondwanaland, \ni.e., Gerry's suggestion that people of the novel's future simply know \nmore than we do, or think on larger time scales, thus they coined the \nterm. Our primate ancestors might have been living in trees around the \ntime it broke up." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 4/7/2013 4:51 PM, Marc Aramini wrote:\nAnd making them move around and reach out and mate, just using them as removable carapaces? I think the subtextual presence of keeping the trees satisfied and expecting greetings from them and them saying that children are theirs is a bit more than that.\n\nSent from my iPhone\n\nOn Apr 7, 2013, at 1:22 PM, David Stockhoff wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "What about \"dendritic\" as possibly meaning \"living in trees\"?\n\nNever mind living */as /*trees . . .\n\nOn 4/7/2013 9:59 AM, Marc Aramini wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "One more quick thought. Everyone dreams of being surrounded by columns or trees. In Number 5's dreams, eventually these columns are revealed to have words that are rubbed off (the same time he realizes it is like a mausoleum or cemetery that all carry his name and different dates). the only word he can make out is \"carapace\".\nLater, the aborigines are confused with old wood, posts, etc. Notice the post like/pillar nature of many of the demi-mondaine's legs.\nI am still trying to put together the aboriginal life cycle. The term pre-dendritic is very interesting to me, as Marsch describes the aboriginal culture. Since the columns in the first novella surround a graveyard, are the big circle of trees like a graveyard, too? In VRT, that \"temple\" is cut down (402 trees in a big circle).\nSpecifically, should we take pre-dendritic literally? For a certain non-imitative aborigine who has not become \"human\", does death or maturity prompt a hard woody carapace that then makes them dendritic and rooted?\nThe reason I ask this is that in the death scene of VRT, the river tree that reaches out for VRT to save him is mentioned with \"feet\" imagery. Only one character always has foot imagery associated with him - he who drops from a higher place to a lower - Sandwalker. (and there, VRT drops down - and I do liken \"Sandwalker's\" fate to VRT - replaced by somebody who dreams that he is in fact the dead one (thus i juxtapose castrated ancestor Eastwind with the airborne Shadowchild)) Is this big tree in the river reaching out for VRT Sandwalker's carapace encased corpse? How complicated are their life cycles? I am assuming that of course one who imitates another species would leave this portion of the life cycle behind.\nThe classification as predendritic got me thinking about that.\n\n\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] } ] }