{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/6374", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 6374, "subject": "For Your Amusement: On Twitter Today...", "messages": 14, "voices": 7, "first": "2013-04-30T15:53:55+00:00", "last": "2013-05-01T16:23:45+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Fred Kiesche", "address": "godelescherbach at gmail.com" }, "date": "2013-04-30T15:53:55+00:00", "subject": "(urth) For Your Amusement: On Twitter Today...", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "...author Felix Gilman tweeted the following:\n\n*Felix Gilman @felixgilman\n*11m\n\n#*QuestionsObamaWontAnswer*what\nis the relationship between Severian and Apu-Punchau in the Book of\nthe New Sun, and what does it symbolize\n\n*Felix Gilman @felixgilman\n*7m\n\n#*QuestionsObamaWontAnswer*do\nthe events of Short Sun occur eons after New Sun, Blue/Green being\nreborn Urth/Lune, or is this a mere echo\n*Felix Gilman @felixgilman\n*3m\n\n#*QuestionsObamaWontAnswer*in\nthe rag shop, why does Severian say that the ribbons that held Agilus'\nmask are still there after he removes it" }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "F.P. Kiesche III \"Ah Mr. Gibbon, another damned, fat, square book. Always,\nscribble, scribble, scribble, eh?\" (The Duke of Gloucester, on being\npresented with Volume 2 of The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire.)\nBlogging at The Lensman's Children (\nhttp://theeternalgoldenbraid.blogspot.com/)." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Fred Kiesche", "address": "godelescherbach at gmail.com" }, "date": "2013-04-30T16:06:38+00:00", "subject": "(urth) For Your Amusement: On Twitter Today...", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "And more!\n\n*Felix Gilman @felixgilman\n*6m\n\n#*QuestionsObamaWontAnswer*in\nwhat ways is Severian analogous to Christ and in what ways is he\ndisanalogous. also, what about benghazi, huh\n*Max Gladstone @maxgladstone\n*3m\n\n@*felixgilman* Obama won't answer the one\nabout Apu Punachu because it's answered in Urth of the New Sun.\n*Felix Gilman @felixgilman\n*2m\n\n@*maxgladstone* i think we as a people\nhave a right to know if the President has read Urth of the New Sun, and if\nso how attentively" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Fred Kiesche wrote:\n...author Felix Gilman tweeted the following:\n\n*Felix Gilman @felixgilman *11m\n\n#*QuestionsObamaWontAnswer*what is the relationship between Severian and Apu-Punchau in the Book of\nthe New Sun, and what does it symbolize\n\n*Felix Gilman @felixgilman *7m\n\n#*QuestionsObamaWontAnswer*do the events of Short Sun occur eons after New Sun, Blue/Green being\nreborn Urth/Lune, or is this a mere echo\n*Felix Gilman @felixgilman *3m\n\n#*QuestionsObamaWontAnswer*in the rag shop, why does Severian say that the ribbons that held Agilus'\nmask are still there after he removes it\n\n\n--\nF.P. Kiesche III \"Ah Mr. Gibbon, another damned, fat, square book.\nAlways, scribble, scribble, scribble, eh?\" (The Duke of Gloucester, on\nbeing presented with Volume 2 of The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire.)\nBlogging at The Lensman's Children (\nhttp://theeternalgoldenbraid.blogspot.com/).\n\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<0FCC618C-B630-4FDD-9C8A-8A0F9A9A3A25@yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Marc Aramini", "address": "marcaramini at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2013-04-30T16:32:54+00:00", "subject": "(urth) For Your Amusement: On Twitter Today...", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I will answer those questions if elected, but I will not eat his brains. Even with analept of alzabo. \n\nSent from my iPhone" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Apr 30, 2013, at 9:06 AM, Fred Kiesche wrote:\nAnd more!\n \nFelix Gilman @felixgilman 6m\n#QuestionsObamaWontAnswer in what ways is Severian analogous to Christ and in what ways is he disanalogous. also, what about benghazi, huh\n\nMax Gladstone @maxgladstone 3m\n@felixgilman Obama won't answer the one about Apu Punachu because it's answered in Urth of the New Sun.\n\nFelix Gilman @felixgilman 2m\n@maxgladstone i think we as a people have a right to know if the President has read Urth of the New Sun, and if so how attentively\n\n\n\nOn Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Fred Kiesche wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "...author Felix Gilman tweeted the following:\n \nFelix Gilman @felixgilman 11m\n#QuestionsObamaWontAnswer what is the relationship between Severian and Apu-Punchau in the Book of the New Sun, and what does it symbolize\n\nFelix Gilman @felixgilman 7m\n\n#QuestionsObamaWontAnswer do the events of Short Sun occur eons after New Sun, Blue/Green being reborn Urth/Lune, or is this a mere echo\n\nFelix Gilman @felixgilman 3m\n#QuestionsObamaWontAnswer in the rag shop, why does Severian say that the ribbons that held Agilus' mask are still there after he removes it\n\n\n\n-- \nF.P. Kiesche III \"Ah Mr. Gibbon, another damned, fat, square book. Always, scribble, scribble, scribble, eh?\" (The Duke of Gloucester, on being presented with Volume 2 of The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire.) Blogging at The Lensman's Children (http://theeternalgoldenbraid.blogspot.com/).\n\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Marc Aramini", "address": "marcaramini at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2013-04-30T16:34:36+00:00", "subject": "(urth) For Your Amusement: On Twitter Today...", "in_reply_to": "<0FCC618C-B630-4FDD-9C8A-8A0F9A9A3A25@yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "The proper answer to all questions is yes, no,no, yes, no, yes, no. Maybe. \n\nSent from my iPhone" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Apr 30, 2013, at 9:32 AM, Marc Aramini wrote:\nI will answer those questions if elected, but I will not eat his brains. Even with analept of alzabo. \n\nSent from my iPhone\n\nOn Apr 30, 2013, at 9:06 AM, Fred Kiesche wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "And more!\n \nFelix Gilman @felixgilman 6m\n#QuestionsObamaWontAnswer in what ways is Severian analogous to Christ and in what ways is he disanalogous. also, what about benghazi, huh\n\nMax Gladstone @maxgladstone 3m\n@felixgilman Obama won't answer the one about Apu Punachu because it's answered in Urth of the New Sun.\n\nFelix Gilman @felixgilman 2m\n@maxgladstone i think we as a people have a right to know if the President has read Urth of the New Sun, and if so how attentively\n\n\n\nOn Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Fred Kiesche wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "...author Felix Gilman tweeted the following:\n \nFelix Gilman @felixgilman 11m\n#QuestionsObamaWontAnswer what is the relationship between Severian and Apu-Punchau in the Book of the New Sun, and what does it symbolize\n\nFelix Gilman @felixgilman 7m\n\n#QuestionsObamaWontAnswer do the events of Short Sun occur eons after New Sun, Blue/Green being reborn Urth/Lune, or is this a mere echo\n\nFelix Gilman @felixgilman 3m\n#QuestionsObamaWontAnswer in the rag shop, why does Severian say that the ribbons that held Agilus' mask are still there after he removes it\n\n\n\n-- \nF.P. Kiesche III \"Ah Mr. Gibbon, another damned, fat, square book. Always, scribble, scribble, scribble, eh?\" (The Duke of Gloucester, on being presented with Volume 2 of The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire.) Blogging at The Lensman's Children (http://theeternalgoldenbraid.blogspot.com/).\n\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Gwern Branwen", "address": "gwern at gwern.net" }, "date": "2013-04-30T16:46:29+00:00", "subject": "(urth) For Your Amusement: On Twitter Today...", "in_reply_to": "<0FCC618C-B630-4FDD-9C8A-8A0F9A9A3A25@yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Marc Aramini wrote:\nI will answer those questions if elected, but I will not eat his brains.\nEven with analept of alzabo." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "How sure are we that Obama was born on Urth? Where is his birth\ncertificate proving he was native-born in Ascia as required by the\nConstitution? Perhaps he's really from the Commonwealth, or worse, an\nillegal alien - a cacogen!" }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "gwern\nhttp://www.gwern.net" } ] }, { "message_id": "<5BB80ED6-72F5-486F-911D-4DA1F0741F9F@goosemoon.org>", "from": { "name": "Allan Anderson", "address": "rubel at goosemoon.org" }, "date": "2013-04-30T16:53:29+00:00", "subject": "(urth) For Your Amusement: On Twitter Today...", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Apr 30, 2013, at 9:46 AM, Gwern Branwen wrote:\nOn Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Marc Aramini wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "I will answer those questions if elected, but I will not eat his brains.\nEven with analept of alzabo." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "How sure are we that Obama was born on Urth? Where is his birth\ncertificate proving he was native-born in Ascia as required by the\nConstitution? Perhaps he's really from the Commonwealth, or worse, an\nillegal alien - a cacogen!" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I have clear evidence that he's not from Sainte Croix at all, but originates from Sainte Anne. Just look at his reliance on teleprompters!" } ] }, { "message_id": "<1367349890.82175.YahooMailNeo@web84503.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "DAVID STOCKHOFF", "address": "dstockhoff at verizon.net" }, "date": "2013-04-30T19:24:50+00:00", "subject": "(urth) For Your Amusement: On Twitter Today...", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "More important, WHAT IS BEHIND THAT MASK?" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "________________________________\nFrom: Gwern Branwen \nTo: The Urth Mailing List \nSent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 12:46 PM\nSubject: Re: (urth) For Your Amusement: On Twitter Today...\n\n\nOn Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Marc Aramini wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "I will answer those questions if elected, but I will not eat his brains.\nEven with analept of alzabo." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "How sure are we that Obama was born on Urth? Where is his birth\ncertificate proving he was native-born in Ascia as required by the\nConstitution? Perhaps he's really from the Commonwealth, or worse, an\nillegal alien - a cacogen!\n\n-- \ngwern\nhttp://www.gwern.net\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<5180472E.3030302@gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "António Pedro Marques", "address": "entonio at gmail.com" }, "date": "2013-04-30T22:35:26+00:00", "subject": "(urth) For Your Amusement: On Twitter Today...", "in_reply_to": "<1367349890.82175.YahooMailNeo@web84503.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Another mask...\n\nDAVID STOCKHOFF wrote (30-04-2013 20:24):" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "More important, WHAT IS BEHIND THAT MASK?\n\n\n ----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n *From:* Gwern Branwen \n *To:* The Urth Mailing List \n *Sent:* Tuesday, April 30, 2013 12:46 PM\n *Subject:* Re: (urth) For Your Amusement: On Twitter Today...\n\n On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Marc Aramini > wrote:\n > I will answer those questions if elected, but I will not eat his brains.\n > Even with analept of alzabo.\n\n How sure are we that Obama was born on Urth? Where is his birth\n certificate proving he was native-born in Ascia as required by the\n Constitution? Perhaps he's really from the Commonwealth, or worse, an\n illegal alien - a cacogen!\n\n --\n gwern\n http://www.gwern.net \n _______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "aaron", "address": "aaronsingleton at gmail.com" }, "date": "2013-05-01T00:25:44+00:00", "subject": "(urth) For Your Amusement: On Twitter Today...", "in_reply_to": "<5180472E.3030302@gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I have always wondered about the ribbons above Agilus' ears, though. And\nBorski's explanation doesn't satisfy." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Ant?nio Pedro Marques wrote:\nAnother mask...\n\nDAVID STOCKHOFF wrote (30-04-2013 20:24):" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "More important, WHAT IS BEHIND THAT MASK?\n\n\n ------------------------------**------------------------------**\n----------------\n *From:* Gwern Branwen \n *To:* The Urth Mailing List \n *Sent:* Tuesday, April 30, 2013 12:46 PM\n *Subject:* Re: (urth) For Your Amusement: On Twitter Today...\n\n\n On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Marc Aramini **> wrote:\n > I will answer those questions if elected, but I will not eat his\nbrains.\n > Even with analept of alzabo.\n\n How sure are we that Obama was born on Urth? Where is his birth\n certificate proving he was native-born in Ascia as required by the\n Constitution? Perhaps he's really from the Commonwealth, or worse, an\n illegal alien - a cacogen!\n\n --\n gwern\n http://www.gwern.net \n ______________________________**_________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Marc Aramini", "address": "marcaramini at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2013-05-01T00:31:47+00:00", "subject": "(urth) For Your Amusement: On Twitter Today...", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Borski is hit and miss- imaginative but often way too tenuous and nontextual in his leaps. \n\nBelieve it or not I wait for the text to at least legitimately hint at something before I pursue it. \nSent from my iPhone" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Apr 30, 2013, at 5:25 PM, aaron wrote:\nI have always wondered about the ribbons above Agilus' ears, though. And Borski's explanation doesn't satisfy.\n\n\nOn Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Ant?nio Pedro Marques wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Another mask...\n\nDAVID STOCKHOFF wrote (30-04-2013 20:24):" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "More important, WHAT IS BEHIND THAT MASK?\n\n\n ----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n *From:* Gwern Branwen \n *To:* The Urth Mailing List \n *Sent:* Tuesday, April 30, 2013 12:46 PM\n *Subject:* Re: (urth) For Your Amusement: On Twitter Today...\n\n\n On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Marc Aramini > wrote:\n > I will answer those questions if elected, but I will not eat his brains.\n > Even with analept of alzabo.\n\n How sure are we that Obama was born on Urth? Where is his birth\n certificate proving he was native-born in Ascia as required by the\n Constitution? Perhaps he's really from the Commonwealth, or worse, an\n illegal alien - a cacogen!\n\n --\n gwern\n http://www.gwern.net \n _______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "aaron", "address": "aaronsingleton at gmail.com" }, "date": "2013-05-01T04:54:47+00:00", "subject": "(urth) For Your Amusement: On Twitter Today...", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I agree about Borski. However, when reading his work, I do get excited\nabout re-reading Wolfe so I can make some new discovery. I also\nenjoyed some of his observations on T5HoC and Peace. Alas... BTW,\ncongrats on the Wolfe antho. Long-time lurker on the list, so I am\nfamiliar with most of the regulars." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 8:31 PM, Marc Aramini wrote:\nBorski is hit and miss- imaginative but often way too tenuous and\nnontextual in his leaps.\n\nBelieve it or not I wait for the text to at least legitimately hint at\nsomething before I pursue it.\nSent from my iPhone\n\nOn Apr 30, 2013, at 5:25 PM, aaron wrote:\n\nI have always wondered about the ribbons above Agilus' ears, though. And\nBorski's explanation doesn't satisfy.\n\n\nOn Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Ant?nio Pedro Marques wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Another mask...\n\nDAVID STOCKHOFF wrote (30-04-2013 20:24):" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "More important, WHAT IS BEHIND THAT MASK?\n\n\n ------------------------------**------------------------------**\n----------------\n *From:* Gwern Branwen \n *To:* The Urth Mailing List \n *Sent:* Tuesday, April 30, 2013 12:46 PM\n *Subject:* Re: (urth) For Your Amusement: On Twitter Today...\n\n\n On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Marc Aramini <\nmarcaramini at yahoo.com\n **> wrote:\n > I will answer those questions if elected, but I will not eat his\nbrains.\n > Even with analept of alzabo.\n\n How sure are we that Obama was born on Urth? Where is his birth\n certificate proving he was native-born in Ascia as required by the\n Constitution? Perhaps he's really from the Commonwealth, or worse, an\n illegal alien - a cacogen!\n\n --\n gwern\n http://www.gwern.net \n ______________________________**_________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<94F230E1-4188-4DA6-89B2-E7D14C2DB440@yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Marc Aramini", "address": "marcaramini at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2013-05-01T13:03:12+00:00", "subject": "(urth) For Your Amusement: On Twitter Today...", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Definitely, his work on Fifth Head is top notch. I am trying to remember if he did much with all the crazy colors associated with names in Peace ( blue ribbon around a little coffin, etc) since the characters seemed to be overwhelmingly associated with colors- peacock blue, olive, black, porter is specifically a darker brown beer (which color is bold? Yellow?)- but the ubiquity of color might make it a symbolist's nightmare in the small stories. \n\nThank you, by the way, for the congratulations. If not worthy, I hope at least that you will enjoy it a bit. \nSent from my iPhone" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Apr 30, 2013, at 9:54 PM, aaron wrote:\nagree about Borski. However, when reading his work, I do get excited about re-reading Wolfe so I can make some new discovery. I also \nenjoyed some of his observations on T5HoC and Peace. Alas... BTW, congrats on the Wolfe antho. Long-time lurker on the list, so I am familiar with most of the regulars." } ] }, { "message_id": "<1367417640.20326.YahooMailNeo@web84503.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "DAVID STOCKHOFF", "address": "dstockhoff at verizon.net" }, "date": "2013-05-01T14:14:00+00:00", "subject": "(urth) For Your Amusement: On Twitter Today...", "in_reply_to": "<5BB80ED6-72F5-486F-911D-4DA1F0741F9F@goosemoon.org>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Has anyone ever seen him tie a knot or operate machinery?" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "________________________________\nFrom: Allan Anderson \nTo: The Urth Mailing List \nSent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 12:53 PM\nSubject: Re: (urth) For Your Amusement: On Twitter Today...\n\n\n\nOn Apr 30, 2013, at 9:46 AM, Gwern Branwen wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Marc Aramini wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "I will answer those questions if elected, but I will not eat his brains.\nEven with analept of alzabo." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "How sure are we that Obama was born on Urth? Where is his birth\ncertificate proving he was native-born in Ascia as required by the\nConstitution? Perhaps he's really from the Commonwealth, or worse, an\nillegal alien - a cacogen!" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I have clear evidence that he's not from Sainte Croix at all, but originates from Sainte Anne. Just look at his reliance on teleprompters!\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "aaron", "address": "aaronsingleton at gmail.com" }, "date": "2013-05-01T16:23:45+00:00", "subject": "(urth) For Your Amusement: On Twitter Today...", "in_reply_to": "<94F230E1-4188-4DA6-89B2-E7D14C2DB440@yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Well, you deserve a congrats, I think. I look forward to reading your\ncontribution. As far as Borski discussing Peace, he did talk about the\ncolors, but in reference to alchemy. A very creative view, IMO." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 9:03 AM, Marc Aramini wrote:\nDefinitely, his work on Fifth Head is top notch. I am trying to remember\nif he did much with all the crazy colors associated with names in Peace (\nblue ribbon around a little coffin, etc) since the characters seemed to be\noverwhelmingly associated with colors- peacock blue, olive, black, porter\nis specifically a darker brown beer (which color is bold? Yellow?)- but\nthe ubiquity of color might make it a symbolist's nightmare in the small\nstories.\n\nThank you, by the way, for the congratulations. If not worthy, I hope at\nleast that you will enjoy it a bit.\nSent from my iPhone\n\nOn Apr 30, 2013, at 9:54 PM, aaron wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "agree about Borski. However, when reading his work, I do get excited\nabout re-reading Wolfe so I can make some new discovery. I also\nenjoyed some of his observations on T5HoC and Peace. Alas... BTW,\ncongrats on the Wolfe antho. Long-time lurker on the list, so I am\nfamiliar with most of the regulars." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "_______________________________________________" } ] } ] }