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The Urth list — 14 messages, 7 voices, 30 Apr 2013
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Fred Kiesche — 30 Apr 2013, 15:53

...author Felix Gilman tweeted the following:

*Felix Gilman @felixgilman
*11m<https://twitter.com/felixgilman/status/329259107192283136>

#*QuestionsObamaWontAnswer*<https://twitter.com/search?q=%23QuestionsObamaWontAnswer&src=hash>what
is the relationship between Severian and Apu-Punchau in the Book of
the New Sun, and what does it symbolize

*Felix Gilman @felixgilman
*7m<https://twitter.com/felixgilman/status/329260106107731971>

#*QuestionsObamaWontAnswer*<https://twitter.com/search?q=%23QuestionsObamaWontAnswer&src=hash>do
the events of Short Sun occur eons after New Sun, Blue/Green being
reborn Urth/Lune, or is this a mere echo
*Felix Gilman @felixgilman
*3m<https://twitter.com/felixgilman/status/329261302503579648>

#*QuestionsObamaWontAnswer*<https://twitter.com/search?q=%23QuestionsObamaWontAnswer&src=hash>in
the rag shop, why does Severian say that the ribbons that held Agilus'
mask are still there after he removes it

  --
  F.P. Kiesche III  "Ah Mr. Gibbon, another damned, fat, square book. Always,
  scribble, scribble, scribble, eh?" (The Duke of Gloucester, on being
  presented with Volume 2 of The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire.)
  Blogging at The Lensman's Children (
  http://theeternalgoldenbraid.blogspot.com/).

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Fred Kiesche — 30 Apr 2013, 16:06
  in reply to Fred Kiesche

And more!

*Felix Gilman @felixgilman
*6m<https://twitter.com/felixgilman/status/329263534120779776>

#*QuestionsObamaWontAnswer*<https://twitter.com/search?q=%23QuestionsObamaWontAnswer&src=hash>in
what ways is Severian analogous to Christ and in what ways is he
disanalogous. also, what about benghazi, huh
*Max Gladstone @maxgladstone
*3m<https://twitter.com/maxgladstone/status/329264568461299713>

@*felixgilman* <https://twitter.com/felixgilman> Obama won't answer the one
about Apu Punachu because it's answered in Urth of the New Sun.
*Felix Gilman @felixgilman
*2m<https://twitter.com/felixgilman/status/329264850704412672>

@*maxgladstone* <https://twitter.com/maxgladstone> i think we as a people
have a right to know if the President has read Urth of the New Sun, and if
so how attentively

> On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Fred Kiesche <godelescherbach at gmail.com>wrote:
> ...author Felix Gilman tweeted the following:
> 
> *Felix Gilman @felixgilman *11m<https://twitter.com/felixgilman/status/329259107192283136>
> 
> #*QuestionsObamaWontAnswer*<https://twitter.com/search?q=%23QuestionsObamaWontAnswer&src=hash>what is the relationship between Severian and Apu-Punchau in the Book of
> the New Sun, and what does it symbolize
> 
> *Felix Gilman @felixgilman *7m<https://twitter.com/felixgilman/status/329260106107731971>
> 
> #*QuestionsObamaWontAnswer*<https://twitter.com/search?q=%23QuestionsObamaWontAnswer&src=hash>do the events of Short Sun occur eons after New Sun, Blue/Green being
> reborn Urth/Lune, or is this a mere echo
> *Felix Gilman @felixgilman *3m<https://twitter.com/felixgilman/status/329261302503579648>
> 
> #*QuestionsObamaWontAnswer*<https://twitter.com/search?q=%23QuestionsObamaWontAnswer&src=hash>in the rag shop, why does Severian say that the ribbons that held Agilus'
> mask are still there after he removes it
> 
> 
> --
> F.P. Kiesche III  "Ah Mr. Gibbon, another damned, fat, square book.
> Always, scribble, scribble, scribble, eh?" (The Duke of Gloucester, on
> being presented with Volume 2 of The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire.)
> Blogging at The Lensman's Children (
> http://theeternalgoldenbraid.blogspot.com/).
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________

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Marc Aramini — 30 Apr 2013, 16:32
  in reply to Fred Kiesche

I will answer those questions if elected, but I will not eat his brains. Even with analept of alzabo. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 30, 2013, at 9:06 AM, Fred Kiesche <godelescherbach at gmail.com> wrote:
> And more!
>  
> Felix Gilman @felixgilman 6m
> #QuestionsObamaWontAnswer in what ways is Severian analogous to Christ and in what ways is he disanalogous. also, what about benghazi, huh
> 
> Max Gladstone @maxgladstone 3m
> @felixgilman Obama won't answer the one about Apu Punachu because it's answered in Urth of the New Sun.
> 
> Felix Gilman @felixgilman 2m
> @maxgladstone i think we as a people have a right to know if the President has read Urth of the New Sun, and if so how attentively
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Fred Kiesche <godelescherbach at gmail.com> wrote:

> > ...author Felix Gilman tweeted the following:
> >  
> > Felix Gilman @felixgilman 11m
> > #QuestionsObamaWontAnswer what is the relationship between Severian and Apu-Punchau in the Book of the New Sun, and what does it symbolize
> > 
> > Felix Gilman @felixgilman 7m
> > 
> > #QuestionsObamaWontAnswer do the events of Short Sun occur eons after New Sun, Blue/Green being reborn Urth/Lune, or is this a mere echo
> > 
> > Felix Gilman @felixgilman 3m
> > #QuestionsObamaWontAnswer in the rag shop, why does Severian say that the ribbons that held Agilus' mask are still there after he removes it
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > F.P. Kiesche III  "Ah Mr. Gibbon, another damned, fat, square book. Always, scribble, scribble, scribble, eh?" (The Duke of Gloucester, on being presented with Volume 2 of The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire.) Blogging at The Lensman's Children (http://theeternalgoldenbraid.blogspot.com/).
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________

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Marc Aramini — 30 Apr 2013, 16:34
  in reply to Marc Aramini

The proper answer to all questions is yes, no,no, yes, no, yes, no. Maybe. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 30, 2013, at 9:32 AM, Marc Aramini <marcaramini at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I will answer those questions if elected, but I will not eat his brains. Even with analept of alzabo. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Apr 30, 2013, at 9:06 AM, Fred Kiesche <godelescherbach at gmail.com> wrote:

> > And more!
> >  
> > Felix Gilman @felixgilman 6m
> > #QuestionsObamaWontAnswer in what ways is Severian analogous to Christ and in what ways is he disanalogous. also, what about benghazi, huh
> > 
> > Max Gladstone @maxgladstone 3m
> > @felixgilman Obama won't answer the one about Apu Punachu because it's answered in Urth of the New Sun.
> > 
> > Felix Gilman @felixgilman 2m
> > @maxgladstone i think we as a people have a right to know if the President has read Urth of the New Sun, and if so how attentively
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Fred Kiesche <godelescherbach at gmail.com> wrote:

> > > ...author Felix Gilman tweeted the following:
> > >  
> > > Felix Gilman @felixgilman 11m
> > > #QuestionsObamaWontAnswer what is the relationship between Severian and Apu-Punchau in the Book of the New Sun, and what does it symbolize
> > > 
> > > Felix Gilman @felixgilman 7m
> > > 
> > > #QuestionsObamaWontAnswer do the events of Short Sun occur eons after New Sun, Blue/Green being reborn Urth/Lune, or is this a mere echo
> > > 
> > > Felix Gilman @felixgilman 3m
> > > #QuestionsObamaWontAnswer in the rag shop, why does Severian say that the ribbons that held Agilus' mask are still there after he removes it
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > F.P. Kiesche III  "Ah Mr. Gibbon, another damned, fat, square book. Always, scribble, scribble, scribble, eh?" (The Duke of Gloucester, on being presented with Volume 2 of The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire.) Blogging at The Lensman's Children (http://theeternalgoldenbraid.blogspot.com/).
> > > 
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________

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Gwern Branwen — 30 Apr 2013, 16:46
  in reply to Marc Aramini

> On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Marc Aramini <marcaramini at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I will answer those questions if elected, but I will not eat his brains.
> Even with analept of alzabo.

How sure are we that Obama was born on Urth? Where is his birth
certificate proving he was native-born in Ascia as required by the
Constitution? Perhaps he's really from the Commonwealth, or worse, an
illegal alien - a cacogen!

  --
  gwern
  http://www.gwern.net

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Allan Anderson — 30 Apr 2013, 16:53
  in reply to Gwern Branwen

> On Apr 30, 2013, at 9:46 AM, Gwern Branwen <gwern at gwern.net> wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Marc Aramini <marcaramini at yahoo.com> wrote:

> > I will answer those questions if elected, but I will not eat his brains.
> > Even with analept of alzabo.

> How sure are we that Obama was born on Urth? Where is his birth
> certificate proving he was native-born in Ascia as required by the
> Constitution? Perhaps he's really from the Commonwealth, or worse, an
> illegal alien - a cacogen!

I have clear evidence that he's not from Sainte Croix at all, but originates from Sainte Anne. Just look at his reliance on teleprompters!

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DAVID STOCKHOFF — 30 Apr 2013, 19:24
  in reply to Gwern Branwen

More important, WHAT IS BEHIND THAT MASK?

> ________________________________
> From: Gwern Branwen <gwern at gwern.net>
> To: The Urth Mailing List <urth at lists.urth.net> 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 12:46 PM
> Subject: Re: (urth) For Your Amusement: On Twitter Today...
> 
> 
> On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Marc Aramini <marcaramini at yahoo.com> wrote:

> > I will answer those questions if elected, but I will not eat his brains.
> > Even with analept of alzabo.

> How sure are we that Obama was born on Urth? Where is his birth
> certificate proving he was native-born in Ascia as required by the
> Constitution? Perhaps he's really from the Commonwealth, or worse, an
> illegal alien - a cacogen!
> 
> -- 
> gwern
> http://www.gwern.net
> _______________________________________________

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António Pedro Marques — 30 Apr 2013, 22:35
  in reply to DAVID STOCKHOFF

Another mask...

DAVID STOCKHOFF wrote (30-04-2013 20:24):

> More important, WHAT IS BEHIND THAT MASK?
> 
> 
>     ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     *From:* Gwern Branwen <gwern at gwern.net>
>     *To:* The Urth Mailing List <urth at lists.urth.net>
>     *Sent:* Tuesday, April 30, 2013 12:46 PM
>     *Subject:* Re: (urth) For Your Amusement: On Twitter Today...
> 
>     On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Marc Aramini <marcaramini at yahoo.com
>     <mailto:marcaramini at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>      > I will answer those questions if elected, but I will not eat his brains.
>      > Even with analept of alzabo.
> 
>     How sure are we that Obama was born on Urth? Where is his birth
>     certificate proving he was native-born in Ascia as required by the
>     Constitution? Perhaps he's really from the Commonwealth, or worse, an
>     illegal alien - a cacogen!
> 
>     --
>     gwern
>     http://www.gwern.net <http://www.gwern.net/>
>     _______________________________________________

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aaron — 01 May 2013, 00:25
  in reply to António Pedro Marques

I have always wondered about the ribbons above Agilus' ears, though. And
Borski's explanation doesn't satisfy.

> On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Ant?nio Pedro Marques <entonio at gmail.com>wrote:
> Another mask...
> 
> DAVID STOCKHOFF wrote (30-04-2013 20:24):

> > More important, WHAT IS BEHIND THAT MASK?
> > 
> > 
> >     ------------------------------**------------------------------**
> > ----------------
> >     *From:* Gwern Branwen <gwern at gwern.net>
> >     *To:* The Urth Mailing List <urth at lists.urth.net>
> >     *Sent:* Tuesday, April 30, 2013 12:46 PM
> >     *Subject:* Re: (urth) For Your Amusement: On Twitter Today...
> > 
> > 
> >     On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Marc Aramini <marcaramini at yahoo.com
> >     <mailto:marcaramini at yahoo.com>**> wrote:
> >      > I will answer those questions if elected, but I will not eat his
> > brains.
> >      > Even with analept of alzabo.
> > 
> >     How sure are we that Obama was born on Urth? Where is his birth
> >     certificate proving he was native-born in Ascia as required by the
> >     Constitution? Perhaps he's really from the Commonwealth, or worse, an
> >     illegal alien - a cacogen!
> > 
> >     --
> >     gwern
> >     http://www.gwern.net <http://www.gwern.net/>
> >     ______________________________**_________________

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Marc Aramini — 01 May 2013, 00:31
  in reply to aaron

Borski is hit and miss- imaginative but often way too tenuous and nontextual in his leaps.  

Believe it or not I wait for the text to at least legitimately hint at something before I pursue it. 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 30, 2013, at 5:25 PM, aaron <aaronsingleton at gmail.com> wrote:
> I have always wondered about the ribbons above Agilus' ears, though. And Borski's explanation doesn't satisfy.
> 
> 
> On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Ant?nio Pedro Marques <entonio at gmail.com> wrote:

> > Another mask...
> > 
> > DAVID STOCKHOFF wrote (30-04-2013 20:24):

> > > More important, WHAT IS BEHIND THAT MASK?
> > > 
> > > 
> > >     ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >     *From:* Gwern Branwen <gwern at gwern.net>
> > >     *To:* The Urth Mailing List <urth at lists.urth.net>
> > >     *Sent:* Tuesday, April 30, 2013 12:46 PM
> > >     *Subject:* Re: (urth) For Your Amusement: On Twitter Today...
> > > 
> > > 
> > >     On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Marc Aramini <marcaramini at yahoo.com
> > >     <mailto:marcaramini at yahoo.com>> wrote:
> > >      > I will answer those questions if elected, but I will not eat his brains.
> > >      > Even with analept of alzabo.
> > > 
> > >     How sure are we that Obama was born on Urth? Where is his birth
> > >     certificate proving he was native-born in Ascia as required by the
> > >     Constitution? Perhaps he's really from the Commonwealth, or worse, an
> > >     illegal alien - a cacogen!
> > > 
> > >     --
> > >     gwern
> > >     http://www.gwern.net <http://www.gwern.net/>
> > >     _______________________________________________

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aaron — 01 May 2013, 04:54
  in reply to Marc Aramini

I agree about Borski.  However, when reading his work, I do get excited
about re-reading Wolfe so I can make some new discovery.  I also
enjoyed some of his observations on T5HoC and Peace.  Alas...  BTW,
congrats on the Wolfe antho.  Long-time lurker on the list, so I am
familiar with most of the regulars.

> On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 8:31 PM, Marc Aramini <marcaramini at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Borski is hit and miss- imaginative but often way too tenuous and
> nontextual in his leaps.
> 
> Believe it or not I wait for the text to at least legitimately hint at
> something before I pursue it.
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Apr 30, 2013, at 5:25 PM, aaron <aaronsingleton at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I have always wondered about the ribbons above Agilus' ears, though. And
> Borski's explanation doesn't satisfy.
> 
> 
> On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Ant?nio Pedro Marques <entonio at gmail.com>wrote:

> > Another mask...
> > 
> > DAVID STOCKHOFF wrote (30-04-2013 20:24):

> > > More important, WHAT IS BEHIND THAT MASK?
> > > 
> > > 
> > >     ------------------------------**------------------------------**
> > > ----------------
> > >     *From:* Gwern Branwen <gwern at gwern.net>
> > >     *To:* The Urth Mailing List <urth at lists.urth.net>
> > >     *Sent:* Tuesday, April 30, 2013 12:46 PM
> > >     *Subject:* Re: (urth) For Your Amusement: On Twitter Today...
> > > 
> > > 
> > >     On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Marc Aramini <
> > > marcaramini at yahoo.com
> > >     <mailto:marcaramini at yahoo.com>**> wrote:
> > >      > I will answer those questions if elected, but I will not eat his
> > > brains.
> > >      > Even with analept of alzabo.
> > > 
> > >     How sure are we that Obama was born on Urth? Where is his birth
> > >     certificate proving he was native-born in Ascia as required by the
> > >     Constitution? Perhaps he's really from the Commonwealth, or worse, an
> > >     illegal alien - a cacogen!
> > > 
> > >     --
> > >     gwern
> > >     http://www.gwern.net <http://www.gwern.net/>
> > >     ______________________________**_________________

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Marc Aramini — 01 May 2013, 13:03
  in reply to aaron

Definitely, his work on Fifth Head is top notch.  I am trying to remember if he did much with all the crazy colors associated with names in Peace ( blue ribbon around a little coffin, etc) since the characters seemed to be overwhelmingly associated with colors- peacock blue, olive, black, porter is specifically a darker  brown beer (which color is bold? Yellow?)- but the ubiquity of color might make it a symbolist's nightmare in the small stories. 

Thank you, by the way, for the congratulations.  If not worthy, I hope at least that you will enjoy it a bit. 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 30, 2013, at 9:54 PM, aaron <aaronsingleton at gmail.com> wrote:
> agree about Borski.  However, when reading his work, I do get excited about re-reading Wolfe so I can make some new discovery.  I also 
> enjoyed some of his observations on T5HoC and Peace.  Alas...  BTW, congrats on the Wolfe antho.  Long-time lurker on the list, so I am familiar with most of the regulars.

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DAVID STOCKHOFF — 01 May 2013, 14:14
  in reply to Allan Anderson

Has anyone ever seen him tie a knot or operate machinery?

> ________________________________
> From: Allan Anderson <rubel at goosemoon.org>
> To: The Urth Mailing List <urth at lists.urth.net> 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 12:53 PM
> Subject: Re: (urth) For Your Amusement: On Twitter Today...
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 30, 2013, at 9:46 AM, Gwern Branwen <gwern at gwern.net> wrote:

> > On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Marc Aramini <marcaramini at yahoo.com> wrote:

> > > I will answer those questions if elected, but I will not eat his brains.
> > > Even with analept of alzabo.

> > How sure are we that Obama was born on Urth? Where is his birth
> > certificate proving he was native-born in Ascia as required by the
> > Constitution? Perhaps he's really from the Commonwealth, or worse, an
> > illegal alien - a cacogen!

> I have clear evidence that he's not from Sainte Croix at all, but originates from Sainte Anne. Just look at his reliance on teleprompters!
> _______________________________________________

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aaron — 01 May 2013, 16:23
  in reply to Marc Aramini

Well, you deserve a congrats, I think.  I look forward to reading your
contribution.  As far as Borski discussing Peace, he did talk about the
colors, but in reference to alchemy.  A very creative view, IMO.

> On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 9:03 AM, Marc Aramini <marcaramini at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Definitely, his work on Fifth Head is top notch.  I am trying to remember
> if he did much with all the crazy colors associated with names in Peace (
> blue ribbon around a little coffin, etc) since the characters seemed to be
> overwhelmingly associated with colors- peacock blue, olive, black, porter
> is specifically a darker  brown beer (which color is bold? Yellow?)- but
> the ubiquity of color might make it a symbolist's nightmare in the small
> stories.
> 
> Thank you, by the way, for the congratulations.  If not worthy, I hope at
> least that you will enjoy it a bit.
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Apr 30, 2013, at 9:54 PM, aaron <aaronsingleton at gmail.com> wrote:

> > agree about Borski.  However, when reading his work, I do get excited
> > about re-reading Wolfe so I can make some new discovery.  I also
> > enjoyed some of his observations on T5HoC and Peace.  Alas...  BTW,
> > congrats on the Wolfe antho.  Long-time lurker on the list, so I am
> > familiar with most of the regulars.

> _______________________________________________

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