{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/6397", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 6397, "subject": "Alzabo elixir not so far-fetched?", "messages": 6, "voices": 5, "first": "2013-07-13T16:55:48+00:00", "last": "2013-07-14T14:06:32+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "<25CEFC05A76345EC829EBE0B1FE4463E@Rover>", "from": { "name": "Gerry Quinn", "address": "gerry at bindweed.com" }, "date": "2013-07-13T16:55:48+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Alzabo elixir not so far-fetched?", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "http://www.theverge.com/2013/7/10/4510580/planarian-worm-regrows-memories-after-decapitation\n\n- Gerry Quinn" } ] }, { "message_id": "<1373772615.6378.YahooMailNeo@web124505.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Jerry Friedman", "address": "jerry_friedman at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2013-07-14T03:30:15+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Alzabo elixir not so far-fetched?", "in_reply_to": "<25CEFC05A76345EC829EBE0B1FE4463E@Rover>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "From: Gerry Quinn " }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "http://www.theverge.com/2013/7/10/4510580/planarian-worm-regrows-memories-after-decapitation" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Planaria that had been trained to overcome their instinctive avoidance of bright lights and open spaces\nwere decapitated. After regenerating their heads, they could be trained to do the same things in only one\nlesson.\n\nThat doesn't have much to do with gaining someone's memories by eating part of them.\n\nJerry Friedman" } ] }, { "message_id": "<51E21FB2.2010406@btconnect.com>", "from": { "name": "Andy Robertson", "address": "pinlighter at btconnect.com" }, "date": "2013-07-14T03:49:06+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Alzabo elixir not so far-fetched?", "in_reply_to": "<1373772615.6378.YahooMailNeo@web124505.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I heard tell it wus a duff experiment. THe worms who were fed chopped \nworms were on an ideal worm diet and learned faster for that reason. \nThe controls had an inferior diet.\n\nhartshorn" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "On 14/07/2013 04:30, Jerry Friedman wrote:\nFrom: Gerry Quinn \n \nhttp://www.theverge.com/2013/7/10/4510580/planarian-worm-regrows-memories-after-decapitation" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Planaria that had been trained to overcome their instinctive avoidance of bright lights and open spaces\nwere decapitated. After regenerating their heads, they could be trained to do the same things in only one\nlesson.\n\nThat doesn't have much to do with gaining someone's memories by eating part of them.\n\nJerry Friedman\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<51E23731.9050600@verizon.net>", "from": { "name": "David Stockhoff", "address": "dstockhoff at verizon.net" }, "date": "2013-07-14T05:29:21+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Alzabo elixir not so far-fetched?", "in_reply_to": "<1373772615.6378.YahooMailNeo@web124505.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "On 7/13/2013 11:30 PM, Jerry Friedman wrote:\nFrom: Gerry Quinn \n \nhttp://www.theverge.com/2013/7/10/4510580/planarian-worm-regrows-memories-after-decapitation" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Planaria that had been trained to overcome their instinctive avoidance of bright lights and open spaces\nwere decapitated. After regenerating their heads, they could be trained to do the same things in only one\nlesson.\n\nThat doesn't have much to do with gaining someone's memories by eating part of them.\n\nJerry Friedman" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I assume the connection would be that memories traditionally considered \nto be stored on the brain were in this case stored elsewhere in the \nbody. That seems to be a key Wolfean conceit and one presumably \nnecessary for the alzabo effect, unless the animal always eats the brain \nbefore it mimics its dead prey. However, there may be other ways to \nexplain this behavior in planaria." } ] }, { "message_id": "<8498B2B3-8A98-4F70-8CB6-CAF023B7775E@gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "entonio at gmail.com", "address": "entonio at gmail.com" }, "date": "2013-07-14T11:23:47+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Alzabo elixir not so far-fetched?", "in_reply_to": "<25CEFC05A76345EC829EBE0B1FE4463E@Rover>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Planarians can hardly be said to have brains. And they aren't worms like the ones we find in our yards. They barely have any internal structure. I don't think anything very useful can be learned from them in what concerns the way the bodies of more complex animals work. \n\n\nNo dia 13/07/2013, ?s 17:55, \"Gerry Quinn\" escreveu:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": " \nhttp://www.theverge.com/2013/7/10/4510580/planarian-worm-regrows-memories-after-decapitation\n \n- Gerry Quinn\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<576ECD04B2E742CC937CF6051A52F5B5@Rover>", "from": { "name": "Gerry Quinn", "address": "gerry at bindweed.com" }, "date": "2013-07-14T14:06:32+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Alzabo elixir not so far-fetched?", "in_reply_to": "<51E23731.9050600@verizon.net>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "From: David Stockhoff" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I assume the connection would be that memories traditionally considered to \nbe stored on the brain were in this case stored elsewhere in the body. \nThat seems to be a key Wolfean conceit and one presumably necessary for \nthe alzabo effect, unless the animal always eats the brain before it \nmimics its dead prey. However, there may be other ways to explain this \nbehavior in planaria." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Exactly. You can't predict alien super-science without joining the dots a \nbit!\n\n- Gerry Quinn " } ] } ] }