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  "thread": {
    "id": 64,
    "subject": "Misogyny, Arthur, and G. Gordon Liddy",
    "messages": 2,
    "voices": 2,
    "first": "1997-06-19T17:32:57+00:00",
    "last": "1997-06-20T00:14:46+00:00"
  },
  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0002-0104@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Peter Cash",
        "address": "cash at rsn.hp.com"
      },
      "date": "1997-06-19T17:32:57+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Misogyny, Arthur, and G. Gordon Liddy",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
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          "text": "Well, Joel has _me_ convinced of Wolfe's misogyny. At the moment, I\ncan't think of a single really admirable woman in any of Wolfe's works,\nnor of a case where a man has a satisfying long-term relationship with a\nwoman. Perhaps Wolfe is saying that men expect too much of women...but\nthat shouldn't really prevent the occurrence of positive female\ncharacters.\n\nI just finished CASTLEVIEW last night. I don't see why people say this\nnovel makes less sense than any of Wolfe's others. I mean, how much\nsense do you expect Arthurian irruptions in downstate Illinois to make?\nThere were some puzzles, but all in all I thought I was able to follow\nthings quite well. (Of course, this probably means I totally missed\neverything!)\n\nMrs. Shields is a good case in point for Joel's contention: she's a\nglutton (thinks constantly of recipes), and seems to care for her\nhusband only inasmuch as he provides her with things (at one point, she\nburbles, \"I really love you!\" when he agrees to let her use his car).\nShe doesn't seem to be unduly disturbed by her husband's death. The\ndaughter, Mercedes, seems nice--but that's no doubt only because she's\nnot a woman yet!\n\nMy absolutely favorite character in the book was G. Gordon Kitty. He was\na scream, and purrfectly likeable (but then he was a tom). When he\npulled out his \"Browning Grand Pussance\" I just about rolled off the bed\nlaughing. (Well, it's funnier if you're into guns: \"Grand Puissance\" is\nthe French name for the Browning High Power pistol...)\n\nDoes Wolfe have a fascination with G. Gordon Liddy? I seem to remember\nhim saying in an interview that the \"North\" character in THERE ARE DOORS\nis actually G. Gordon."
        },
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          "depth": 0,
          "text": "~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\n                 Die Welt ist alles, was Zerfall ist.   \n                  (apologies to Ludwig Wittgenstein)    \n        email: cash at convex dot com (sorry, spam prevention)"
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0002-0105@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Jim Jordan",
        "address": "jbjordan at gnt.net"
      },
      "date": "1997-06-20T00:14:46+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: (urth) Misogyny, Arthur, and G. Gordon Liddy",
      "in_reply_to": "<urth-v0002-0104@digest.urth.net>",
      "reply_link": "subject",
      "blocks": [
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          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "At 05:32 PM 6/19/97 -0500, you wrote:\n\nMrs. Shields is a good case in point for Joel's contention: she's a\nglutton (thinks constantly of recipes), and seems to care for her\nhusband only inasmuch as he provides her with things (at one point, she\nburbles, \"I really love you!\" when he agrees to let her use his car).\nShe doesn't seem to be unduly disturbed by her husband's death. The\ndaughter, Mercedes, seems nice--but that's no doubt only because she's\nnot a woman yet!"
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "\tYes, and remember that when she tries to pray, all she can do is recite\nrecipes rather than the Lord's Prayer or the Rosary! But Wolfe is going to\nsay that, yes, she has her problems, but not necessarily any more than any\nother character."
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "My absolutely favorite character in the book was G. Gordon Kitty. He was\na scream, and purrfectly likeable (but then he was a tom). When he\npulled out his \"Browning Grand Pussance\" I just about rolled off the bed\nlaughing. (Well, it's funnier if you're into guns: \"Grand Puissance\" is\nthe French name for the Browning High Power pistol...)"
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "\tHey! Thanks for that!!"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "Does Wolfe have a fascination with G. Gordon Liddy? I seem to remember\nhim saying in an interview that the \"North\" character in THERE ARE DOORS\nis actually G. Gordon."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "\tThat was my interview. He explained that he initially thought that Oliver\nNorth was the same type of person as Liddy, but later decided he was wrong.\nHis perception of Liddy was of a machiavellian manipulator, which is pretty\nmuch the face Liddy wore for many years. \n\nNutria"
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