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This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 6400, "subject": "Memories stored in the brain", "messages": 6, "voices": 5, "first": "2013-07-14T23:30:48+00:00", "last": "2013-07-21T04:20:13+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Ashley Crill", "address": "ash_crill at hotmail.com" }, "date": "2013-07-14T23:30:48+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Memories stored in the brain", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "From: Gerry Quinn " }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I assume the connection would be that memories traditionally considered \nto be stored on the brain were in this case stored elsewhere in the \nbody. That seems to be a key Wolfean conceit and one presumably \nnecessary for the alzabo effect, unless the animal always eats the brain \nbefore it mimics its dead prey. However, there may be other ways to \nexplain this behavior in planaria." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I understood it to be the opposite.\nThe 'Wolfean' idea represented seems to be that memories can only be transmitted by eating a certain part of the brain. \nReference Severian's gruesome accession to the Autarchy as an example. \t\t \t \t\t " } ] }, { "message_id": "<609D2757001148D49C3FFE6F7A056017@Rover>", "from": { "name": "Gerry Quinn", "address": "gerry at bindweed.com" }, "date": "2013-07-15T10:46:34+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Memories stored in the brain", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "From: Ashley Crill" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "I assume the connection would be that memories traditionally considered\nto be stored on the brain were in this case stored elsewhere in the\nbody. That seems to be a key Wolfean conceit and one presumably\nnecessary for the alzabo effect, unless the animal always eats the brain\nbefore it mimics its dead prey. However, there may be other ways to\nexplain this behavior in planaria." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I understood it to be the opposite.\n\nThe 'Wolfean' idea represented seems to be that memories can only be\ntransmitted by eating a certain part of the brain.\n\nReference Severian's gruesome accession to the Autarchy as an example." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "The way I understood it, both work - but eating the brain, rather than the \nbody, and probably using a higher-quality elixir compared to whatever \nVodalus was able to brew, works better and probably has fewer side effects.\n\n- Gerry Quinn" } ] }, { "message_id": "<7B055367-2C95-429D-AB46-08E458608D8E@gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "entonio at gmail.com", "address": "entonio at gmail.com" }, "date": "2013-07-15T12:09:54+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Memories stored in the brain", "in_reply_to": "<609D2757001148D49C3FFE6F7A056017@Rover>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Severian discusses this with Ultan. \n\nNo dia 15/07/2013, ?s 11:46, \"Gerry Quinn\" escreveu:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "From: Ashley Crill" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "I assume the connection would be that memories traditionally considered\nto be stored on the brain were in this case stored elsewhere in the\nbody. That seems to be a key Wolfean conceit and one presumably\nnecessary for the alzabo effect, unless the animal always eats the brain\nbefore it mimics its dead prey. However, there may be other ways to\nexplain this behavior in planaria." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "I understood it to be the opposite.\n\nThe 'Wolfean' idea represented seems to be that memories can only be\ntransmitted by eating a certain part of the brain.\n\nReference Severian's gruesome accession to the Autarchy as an example." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "The way I understood it, both work - but eating the brain, rather than the body, and probably using a higher-quality elixir compared to whatever Vodalus was able to brew, works better and probably has fewer side effects.\n\n- Gerry Quinn\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<90fe14ce1a1b8cb84c8ac093c63b1a03.squirrel@webmail.prismnet.com>", "from": { "name": "Jeff Wilson", "address": "jwilson at clueland.com" }, "date": "2013-07-15T21:43:36+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Memories stored in the brain", "in_reply_to": "<609D2757001148D49C3FFE6F7A056017@Rover>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "The 'Wolfean' idea represented seems to be that memories can only be\ntransmitted by eating a certain part of the brain.\n\nReference Severian's gruesome accession to the Autarchy as an example." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "The way I understood it, both work - but eating the brain, rather than the\nbody, and probably using a higher-quality elixir compared to whatever\nVodalus was able to brew, works better and probably has fewer side\neffects." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Gerry is correct; the other Vodalarii received the memories and loyalty\nsentiments despite there not being enough brains for everyone each time,\nnor did they enjoy Sev's wondrous gifts. Ultan, the best read man in the\nCommonwealth, also confirms that memories can be gotten from non-brain\nextremities, like fingers and hands.\n\n\nI just hope they remembered to clean the maze this time." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Jeff Wilson - < jwilson at clueland.com >\nA&M Texarkana Computational Intelligence Lab\n< http://www.tamut.edu/cil >" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Lee Berman", "address": "severiansola at hotmail.com" }, "date": "2013-07-20T18:15:00+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Memories stored in the brain", "in_reply_to": "<90fe14ce1a1b8cb84c8ac093c63b1a03.squirrel@webmail.prismnet.com>", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Entonio: Severian discusses this with Ultan." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I think Entonio is correct. It doesn't have to be the brain.\nIn his conversation about eating the dead, Ultan likens it \nto a (70'style) hologram plate in which the entire picture \nis stored in each and every piece, no matter how small. So \nyou would think any body portion would do.\n\nAt Voladulus' feast, isn't Thecla's whole body roasted \nand served? Her head remains intact enough for Severian\nto recognize her. Plus, it seems like a pretty big party \nand I get the impression they each got more to eat than a \n1/50 portion of her brain. Didn't they get legs, thighs,\nbreasts, etc. \t\t \t \t\t " } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Jeff Wilson", "address": "jwilson at clueland.com" }, "date": "2013-07-21T04:20:13+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Memories stored in the brain", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "At Voladulus' feast, isn't Thecla's whole body roasted\nand served? Her head remains intact enough for Severian\nto recognize her. Plus, it seems like a pretty big party\nand I get the impression they each got more to eat than a\n1/50 portion of her brain. Didn't they get legs, thighs,\nbreasts, etc." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "yes" }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Jeff Wilson - < jwilson at clueland.com >\nA&M Texarkana Computational Intelligence Lab\n< http://www.tamut.edu/cil >" } ] } ] }