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  "thread": {
    "id": 6437,
    "subject": "Ash",
    "messages": 3,
    "voices": 3,
    "first": "2013-09-13T20:00:39+00:00",
    "last": "2013-09-27T20:22:44+00:00"
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    {
      "message_id": "<BLU175-W50FC03F6DFBC58ECF26C7CF3B0@phx.gbl>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Lee Berman",
        "address": "severiansola at hotmail.com"
      },
      "date": "2013-09-13T20:00:39+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Ash",
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          "text": "I've long wondered about the significance of the name of Master Ash and\nhis cryptic reference to Vine.\n\nI've found one likely reference in Norse mythology, in which the first\nman and woman were named Ask and Embla, which translate in English to \nash tree and elm tree, but alternatively Embla can be vine or liana.\nhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ask_and_Embla\n\nGiven Ash's association with Ragnarok, Norse seems like a likely source.\n\nBut I just bumped into a tantalizing alternative. One of the most ancient\nEgyptian gods was named Ash, and as god of the desert oases, he was also the\ngod of the vine. As a desert god he was also associated (sometimes sexually)\nwith Typhon Set, the god of desert storms.\n\nI guess I still think the Norse inspiration is mostly likely the primary\none. But it is hard to dismiss a nominative clue which relates to both\nTyphon and The Outsider/Dionysus. \t\t \t   \t\t  "
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      "message_id": "<CAJ8=rtjgJkQqjeVMJk5q5K4DrmsOyQYXmukkB7ap-qeh2VqmKA@mail.gmail.com>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes",
        "address": "danldo at gmail.com"
      },
      "date": "2013-09-13T20:06:11+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Ash",
      "in_reply_to": "<BLU175-W50FC03F6DFBC58ECF26C7CF3B0@phx.gbl>",
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          "text": "Embrace the power of \"and.\""
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          "text": "On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 1:00 PM, Lee Berman <severiansola at hotmail.com>wrote:\nI've long wondered about the significance of the name of Master Ash and\nhis cryptic reference to Vine.\n\nI've found one likely reference in Norse mythology, in which the first\nman and woman were named Ask and Embla, which translate in English to\nash tree and elm tree, but alternatively Embla can be vine or liana.\nhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ask_and_Embla\n\nGiven Ash's association with Ragnarok, Norse seems like a likely source.\n\nBut I just bumped into a tantalizing alternative. One of the most ancient\nEgyptian gods was named Ash, and as god of the desert oases, he was also\nthe\ngod of the vine. As a desert god he was also associated (sometimes\nsexually)\nwith Typhon Set, the god of desert storms.\n\nI guess I still think the Norse inspiration is mostly likely the primary\none. But it is hard to dismiss a nominative clue which relates to both\nTyphon and The Outsider/Dionysus.\n_______________________________________________"
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      "message_id": "<CAM3O41Lzu7SzAK1BVKOxLvN4w2r_1LmHvvb_hApJ9HKkdgiNQw@mail.gmail.com>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Andrew Mason",
        "address": "andrew.mason53 at googlemail.com"
      },
      "date": "2013-09-27T20:22:44+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Ash",
      "in_reply_to": "<CAJ8=rtjgJkQqjeVMJk5q5K4DrmsOyQYXmukkB7ap-qeh2VqmKA@mail.gmail.com>",
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          "text": "I've long wondered about the significance of the name of Master Ash and\nhis cryptic reference to Vine.\n\nI've found one likely reference in Norse mythology, in which the first\nman and woman were named Ask and Embla, which translate in English to\nash tree and elm tree, but alternatively Embla can be vine or liana.\nhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ask_and_Embla\n\nGiven Ash's association with Ragnarok, Norse seems like a likely source.\n\nBut I just bumped into a tantalizing alternative. One of the most ancient\nEgyptian gods was named Ash, and as god of the desert oases, he was also\nthe\ngod of the vine. As a desert god he was also associated (sometimes\nsexually)\nwith Typhon Set, the god of desert storms.\n\nI guess I still think the Norse inspiration is mostly likely the primary\none. But it is hard to dismiss a nominative clue which relates to both\nTyphon and The Outsider/Dionysus."
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          "text": "Wolfe has actually said in _Castle of the Otter_ that he intended the Norse\nreference, though of course this does not rule out other references as\nwell."
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