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This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 6441, "subject": "Oreb Possessed", "messages": 3, "voices": 2, "first": "2013-09-27T20:44:38+00:00", "last": "2013-09-27T20:47:56+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Andrew Mason", "address": "andrew.mason53 at googlemail.com" }, "date": "2013-09-27T20:44:38+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Oreb Possessed", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Larry Miller wrote:\n\nI have been rereading Book of the Long Sun, and was struck with the notion\nthat maybe Oreb was possessed from the moment of his apparent death during\nthe failed sacrifice (the sacrificial altar was in front of the Sacred\nWindow). The bird seen by Silk fluttering out the second story window prior\nto the appearance of Pike was Oreb, able to do so despite his injured wing\nbecause of the possession. this would also explain Orebs denial- he don't\nremember because he wasn't in control at the time. I don't know if this has\never been brought up before. Any thoughts?\n_______________________________________________" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I think we are actually told at some point that Oreb's possession by Scylla\nbegan during the Rajan's sacrifice in the Grand Manteion in RTTW. Up to\nthis point Scylla had been hiding in corners of Mainframe, but Oreb's\npresence before a Window during a sacrifice allowed her to escape. (This\ncomes before 'The Night Chough', which follows on the Rajan's return, with\nOreb, to Blue, so that fits all right.)\n\nOreb may well also be possessed during his mysterious appearance to Silk,\nbut temporarily, by Mucor. (I think Roy Lackey proposed this once.)\n\nMost of the time I think Oreb is just Oreb; his abilities are regular night\nchough abilities. Severian says at one point that some animals have learned\nto speak a few words; catachrests are another example.\n\nAs for Oreb's resurrection, I have always been a bit puzzled that people\nfind it so puzzling. Why should it be thought a thing incredible with you,\nthat the Outsider should raise the dead?" } ] }, { "message_id": "<41C66221-D0C8-4C3F-AC96-7A9261D62A65@yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Marc Aramini", "address": "marcaramini at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2013-09-27T20:47:21+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Oreb Possessed", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "It is pretty clear Oreb is possessed by Scylla at the time of \"the night chough\" from some hints that didnt make sense then .... Not sure where that story fits in chronologically though ....\n\nSent from my iPhone" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Sep 27, 2013, at 1:44 PM, Andrew Mason wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Larry Miller wrote: \n\nI have been rereading Book of the Long Sun, and was struck with the notion that maybe Oreb was possessed from the moment of his apparent death during the failed sacrifice (the sacrificial altar was in front of the Sacred Window). The bird seen by Silk fluttering out the second story window prior to the appearance of Pike was Oreb, able to do so despite his injured wing because of the possession. this would also explain Orebs denial- he don't remember because he wasn't in control at the time. I don't know if this has ever been brought up before. Any thoughts?\n_______________________________________________" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I think we are actually told at some point that Oreb's possession by Scylla began during the Rajan's sacrifice in the Grand Manteion in RTTW. Up to this point Scylla had been hiding in corners of Mainframe, but Oreb's presence before a Window during a sacrifice allowed her to escape. (This comes before 'The Night Chough', which follows on the Rajan's return, with Oreb, to Blue, so that fits all right.)\n\nOreb may well also be possessed during his mysterious appearance to Silk, but temporarily, by Mucor. (I think Roy Lackey proposed this once.)\n\nMost of the time I think Oreb is just Oreb; his abilities are regular night chough abilities. Severian says at one point that some animals have learned to speak a few words; catachrests are another example. \n\nAs for Oreb's resurrection, I have always been a bit puzzled that people find it so puzzling. Why should it be thought a thing incredible with you, that the Outsider should raise the dead? \n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<0151AAD0-6F21-4CA1-959E-246FA0CCDCDC@yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Marc Aramini", "address": "marcaramini at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2013-09-27T20:47:56+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Oreb Possessed", "in_reply_to": "<41C66221-D0C8-4C3F-AC96-7A9261D62A65@yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Never mind you addressed that \n\nSent from my iPhone" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Sep 27, 2013, at 1:47 PM, Marc Aramini wrote:\nIt is pretty clear Oreb is possessed by Scylla at the time of \"the night chough\" from some hints that didnt make sense then .... Not sure where that story fits in chronologically though ....\n\nSent from my iPhone\n\nOn Sep 27, 2013, at 1:44 PM, Andrew Mason wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "Larry Miller wrote: \n\nI have been rereading Book of the Long Sun, and was struck with the notion that maybe Oreb was possessed from the moment of his apparent death during the failed sacrifice (the sacrificial altar was in front of the Sacred Window). The bird seen by Silk fluttering out the second story window prior to the appearance of Pike was Oreb, able to do so despite his injured wing because of the possession. this would also explain Orebs denial- he don't remember because he wasn't in control at the time. I don't know if this has ever been brought up before. Any thoughts?\n_______________________________________________" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "I think we are actually told at some point that Oreb's possession by Scylla began during the Rajan's sacrifice in the Grand Manteion in RTTW. Up to this point Scylla had been hiding in corners of Mainframe, but Oreb's presence before a Window during a sacrifice allowed her to escape. (This comes before 'The Night Chough', which follows on the Rajan's return, with Oreb, to Blue, so that fits all right.)\n\nOreb may well also be possessed during his mysterious appearance to Silk, but temporarily, by Mucor. (I think Roy Lackey proposed this once.)\n\nMost of the time I think Oreb is just Oreb; his abilities are regular night chough abilities. Severian says at one point that some animals have learned to speak a few words; catachrests are another example. \n\nAs for Oreb's resurrection, I have always been a bit puzzled that people find it so puzzling. Why should it be thought a thing incredible with you, that the Outsider should raise the dead? \n_______________________________________________" } ] } ] }