{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/6449", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 6449, "subject": "Blue, Green, Urth, and the Ring of Glass", "messages": 6, "voices": 4, "first": "2013-10-10T16:01:16+00:00", "last": "2013-10-11T12:01:59+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes", "address": "danldo at gmail.com" }, "date": "2013-10-10T16:01:16+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Blue, Green, Urth, and the Ring of Glass", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "The thing, the thing is, that if Urth is Green then there's no easy\nexplanation, but if Urth is Blue, then the obvious explanation for the Ring\nof Glass is that it's the ruins of Father Inire's Atropaic Gardens. (I hope\nI'm remembering that name right.)\n\nPerhaps *both *Blue and Green are Urth?" }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Marc Aramini", "address": "marcaramini at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2013-10-10T18:21:41+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Blue, Green, Urth, and the Ring of Glass", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Breed There, sorry. I think the planets are symbolized by the fava and her friend (switcheroo on who is inhuma) and the ring: seems like two rings because it changes size and color, but it's the same ring that auk brought to Blue after repairing the lander - the same planet had changed colors. What have the hiero's done at the end of urth of the new sun? I've always been \"right\" about these books save the fumbling attempt to ascribe a mechanism to the transport to urth when considering it as Blue, and I was corrected and the mechanism sprung out. Until we comprehend what has changed in the solar system there is no means to \"prove\" what Blue is. \n\nSent from my iPhone" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Oct 10, 2013, at 11:12 AM, Marc Aramini wrote:\nI think the yesodi's did something catastrophic, but the lack of nutrients on blue and it's coldness lead me to believe it is a completely different planet. It's biotic system doesn't have the salinity and the micro-organisms of green- the inhumi can't effectively breed their but they rather like old Urth. I think it's pretty clear the botanic gardens lead elsewhere or elsewhen- remember that reflected light can \"create\" according to one passage in new sun. \n\nSent from my iPhone\n\nOn Oct 10, 2013, at 9:01 AM, \"Dan'l Danehy-Oakes\" wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "The thing, the thing is, that if Urth is Green then there's no easy explanation, but if Urth is Blue, then the obvious explanation for the Ring of Glass is that it's the ruins of Father Inire's Atropaic Gardens. (I hope I'm remembering that name right.) \n\nPerhaps both Blue and Green are Urth?\n\n-- \nDan'l Danehy-Oakes\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Marc Aramini", "address": "marcaramini at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2013-10-10T18:25:57+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Blue, Green, Urth, and the Ring of Glass", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I think the yesodi's did something catastrophic, but the lack of nutrients on blue and it's coldness lead me to believe it is a completely different planet. It's biotic system doesn't have the salinity and the micro-organisms of green- the inhumi can't effectively breed their but they rather like old Urth. I think it's pretty clear the botanic gardens lead elsewhere or elsewhen- remember that reflected light can \"create\" according to one passage in new sun. \n\nSent from my iPhone" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Oct 10, 2013, at 9:01 AM, \"Dan'l Danehy-Oakes\" wrote:\nThe thing, the thing is, that if Urth is Green then there's no easy explanation, but if Urth is Blue, then the obvious explanation for the Ring of Glass is that it's the ruins of Father Inire's Atropaic Gardens. (I hope I'm remembering that name right.) \n\nPerhaps both Blue and Green are Urth?\n\n-- \nDan'l Danehy-Oakes\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<9d2b23cd77038b105b2fc313ca7bd2f9.squirrel@webmail.prismnet.com>", "from": { "name": "Jeff Wilson", "address": "jwilson at clueland.com" }, "date": "2013-10-10T22:05:48+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Blue, Green, Urth, and the Ring of Glass", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Thu, October 10, 2013 13:21, Marc Aramini wrote:\nWhat have the hiero's done at the end of urth of the new sun?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "The Yesodis substantially restore urth to its Edenic state via quakes and\ntidal floods and renewed solar output, but there are still some Citadel\ntowers for Juturna to sit among after the floods, so I guess it could be\npossible for there to be glassy remains of the Botanic Gardens.\n\nThe reflective geodesic dome does have interesting implications about time\nand space. Considering we have 2-fold books and 8-fold chambers, the\nmany-facets domes could have superior stability, explaining how they were\nable to be left open and unattended and still do their intended function." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Jeff Wilson - < jwilson at clueland.com >\nA&M Texarkana Computational Intelligence Lab\n< http://www.tamut.edu/cil >" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Lee Berman", "address": "severiansola at hotmail.com" }, "date": "2013-10-11T11:19:20+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Blue, Green, Urth, and the Ring of Glass‏", "in_reply_to": "<9d2b23cd77038b105b2fc313ca7bd2f9.squirrel@webmail.prismnet.com>", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "FWIW, here is an excerpt from the interview- Some Moments With the Magus:..\nwith Nick Gevers, Michael Andre-Driussi and James Jordan." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "JJ: Aww, why not? I might as well at least ask one of the $64,000 questions, so I'll \njust go for broke. (Hmm. I've gotta be very precise here. Okay, here goes:) Which of \nthe following, if any, are physically (not in some merely literary or symbolic sense) \nthe same planets as Blue and Green, in the same order?:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Ushas and Lune\nUrth and Lune\nLune and Ushas\nLune and Urth\nTwo Urths\nTwo Ushases\nTwo Lunes" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "GW: None." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "A good interview, definitely worth reading- http://www.infinityplus.co.uk/nonfiction/intgw.htm \t\t \t \t\t " } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Marc Aramini", "address": "marcaramini at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2013-10-11T12:01:59+00:00", "subject": "(urth)Blue, Green, Urth, and the Ring of Glass‏", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Once again though, Gevers suborned Wolfe's statement out of me before I received Gene's permission to share it, confronted Wolfe about it, mocked it as a joke, and behaved very unethically. I put no validity in that question or that answer, which is an attempt to corner Gene in a puzzle he carefully developed.\n\nSent from my iPhone" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Oct 11, 2013, at 4:19 AM, Lee Berman wrote:\nFWIW, here is an excerpt from the interview- Some Moments With the Magus:..\nwith Nick Gevers, Michael Andre-Driussi and James Jordan." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "JJ: Aww, why not? I might as well at least ask one of the $64,000 questions, so I'll \njust go for broke. (Hmm. I've gotta be very precise here. Okay, here goes:) Which of \nthe following, if any, are physically (not in some merely literary or symbolic sense) \nthe same planets as Blue and Green, in the same order?:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Ushas and Lune\nUrth and Lune\nLune and Ushas\nLune and Urth\nTwo Urths\nTwo Ushases\nTwo Lunes" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "GW: None." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "A good interview, definitely worth reading- http://www.infinityplus.co.uk/nonfiction/intgw.htm \n_______________________________________________" } ] } ] }