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This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 6463, "subject": "Suggestions for Podcast Episode on \"Peace\"", "messages": 6, "voices": 3, "first": "2013-11-12T16:32:31+00:00", "last": "2013-11-16T12:02:25+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Fred Kiesche", "address": "godelescherbach at gmail.com" }, "date": "2013-11-12T16:32:31+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Suggestions for Podcast Episode on \"Peace\"", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Greetings:\n\nI'm involved in a podcast related to the genre site SF Signal. The podcast\nis called The Three Hoarsmen (long story). In our most recent episode, we\ntook a look at Samuel R. Delany's \"Nova\". In our December or January\n(sometimes these things slip!) episode, we're planning on covering Gene\nWolfe's \"Peace\".\n\nOne thing that we always include in our podcast notes are links to websites\nthat the listener can go to. I've already thought of the Neil Gaiman essay\n(found at F&SF's site) \"How to Read Gene Wolfe\". Does anybody have any\nother suggestions of sites I should include?\n\nAnd, anybody able to point to any essay (online or off) that I can point my\nco-hosts to in order to help us prepare for Gene Wolfe in general and this\nbook specifically?\n\nThanks much!" }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "F.P. Kiesche III\n\nHusband, Father, Good Cook. Reader. Keeper of abandoned dogs. Catholic\nLiberal Conservative Militarist. Does not fit into a neat box or category.\n\"Ah Mr. Gibbon, another damned, fat, square book. Always, scribble,\nscribble, scribble, eh?\" (The Duke of Gloucester, on being presented with\nVolume 2 of The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire.) Blogging at Bernal\nAlpha. On Twitter as @FredKiesche" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Marc Aramini", "address": "marcaramini at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2013-11-12T16:52:53+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Suggestions for podcast episode on \"Peace\"", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I am in 1974 on Wolfe's fiction ... If you want I can write a fairly comprehensive essay by the end of November on 1975's Peace along with a general \"metonymic reading\" strategy for Wolfe's work.\n \nI will have to skip over Forlesen and come back to it, as the novellas take too long to thoroughly explore. \n\nLots of excellent work has been done on Peace because Wolfe gave away the key details in an interview without obfuscation, so there is less room for disagreement. I believe it is collected in Wright's Shadows of the New Sun (not the tribute anthology)\n\n\nSent from my iPhone" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Fred Kiesche", "address": "godelescherbach at gmail.com" }, "date": "2013-11-12T17:02:15+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Suggestions for podcast episode on \"Peace\"", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Thanks, Marc--I've got both \"Shadows\" and also \"Attending Daedalus\", so\nI'll check them both for the interview.\n\nIf you can do anything on Peace, that would be fantastic--but please don't\ngo nuts on our account it you are pressed for time. I don't expect we'll\nrecord until mid-December and if you can't get to it, I can always add\nlinks as a comment on the post that accompanies the podcast episode if need\nbe.\n\nMany thanks!" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Marc Aramini wrote:\nI am in 1974 on Wolfe's fiction ... If you want I can write a fairly\ncomprehensive essay by the end of November on 1975's Peace along with a\ngeneral \"metonymic reading\" strategy for Wolfe's work.\n\nI will have to skip over Forlesen and come back to it, as the novellas\ntake too long to thoroughly explore.\n\nLots of excellent work has been done on Peace because Wolfe gave away the\nkey details in an interview without obfuscation, so there is less room for\ndisagreement. I believe it is collected in Wright's Shadows of the New Sun\n(not the tribute anthology)\n\n\nSent from my iPhone\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Darrell Burgan", "address": "darrell.burgan at gmail.com" }, "date": "2013-11-13T08:14:42+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Suggestions for Podcast Episode on \"Peace\"", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I don't know of any sites, but I've discovered that reading anything by\nWolfe usually requires at least three iterations:\n\n1. Read it for enjoyment. Don't try to pick out all the hints and secret\nmessages Wolfe is embedding in the story. Read it at a natural pace and be\namazed at Wolfe's lustrous and often indecipherable prose. By the end,\nyou'll have enjoyed a book but won't be able say exactly why.\n\n2. Read it again, this time pay close attention to every word, especially\nwhen there is a speaker or setting change, when there seems to be a typo or\nwrong name used in a sentence (it's not wrong). Try piece together mental\nnotes about what is going on under the surface of the book. Maybe even\nscribble down a few notes. By the end you'll begin to realize the depths of\nWolfe's genius.\n\n3. Read it one more time, and this time have several colors of\nhighlighters, a white board, and copious paper for notes. As you go through\nthe story, map out every single event, every single character, draw the\nlines between them, speculate on relationships between them that aren't in\nthe text, and generally analyze the heck out of every word. You'll end up\nwith a large pile of somewhat-less-inscrutable information about the book,\nbut still tons of questions left unanswered - and probably a general sense\nof Wolfe chucklng that you still missed the whole point of the book.\n\nHow many more iterations beyond that, I do not know. I'm only on iteration\n2 ...." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 10:32 AM, Fred Kiesche wrote:\nGreetings:\n\nI'm involved in a podcast related to the genre site SF Signal. The podcast\nis called The Three Hoarsmen (long story). In our most recent episode, we\ntook a look at Samuel R. Delany's \"Nova\". In our December or January\n(sometimes these things slip!) episode, we're planning on covering Gene\nWolfe's \"Peace\".\n\nOne thing that we always include in our podcast notes are links to\nwebsites that the listener can go to. I've already thought of the Neil\nGaiman essay (found at F&SF's site) \"How to Read Gene Wolfe\". Does anybody\nhave any other suggestions of sites I should include?\n\nAnd, anybody able to point to any essay (online or off) that I can point\nmy co-hosts to in order to help us prepare for Gene Wolfe in general and\nthis book specifically?\n\nThanks much!\n\n--\nF.P. Kiesche III\n\nHusband, Father, Good Cook. Reader. Keeper of abandoned dogs. Catholic\nLiberal Conservative Militarist. Does not fit into a neat box or category.\n\"Ah Mr. Gibbon, another damned, fat, square book. Always, scribble,\nscribble, scribble, eh?\" (The Duke of Gloucester, on being presented with\nVolume 2 of The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire.) Blogging at Bernal\nAlpha. On Twitter as @FredKiesche\n\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Darrell Burgan", "address": "darrell.burgan at gmail.com" }, "date": "2013-11-13T08:15:37+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Suggestions for podcast episode on \"Peace\"", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I'm halfway through Peace myself. I'd love to read your essay (after I\nfinish of course). :-)" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Marc Aramini wrote:\nI am in 1974 on Wolfe's fiction ... If you want I can write a fairly\ncomprehensive essay by the end of November on 1975's Peace along with a\ngeneral \"metonymic reading\" strategy for Wolfe's work.\n\nI will have to skip over Forlesen and come back to it, as the novellas\ntake too long to thoroughly explore.\n\nLots of excellent work has been done on Peace because Wolfe gave away the\nkey details in an interview without obfuscation, so there is less room for\ndisagreement. I believe it is collected in Wright's Shadows of the New Sun\n(not the tribute anthology)\n\n\nSent from my iPhone\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Fred Kiesche", "address": "godelescherbach at gmail.com" }, "date": "2013-11-16T12:02:25+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Suggestions for podcast episode on \"Peace\"", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Greetings:\n\nA blog post reviewing Peace:\n\nhttp://kateofmind.blogspot.com/2013/11/gene-wolfes-peace.html\n\n(The podcast episode may get bumped forward as one of the panelists is a\ntad busy--so we're probably swapping short stories by C.L. Moore into that\nslot and moving Gene Wolfe forward.)" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 3:15 AM, Darrell Burgan wrote:\nI'm halfway through Peace myself. I'd love to read your essay (after I\nfinish of course). :-)\n\n\nOn Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Marc Aramini wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "I am in 1974 on Wolfe's fiction ... If you want I can write a fairly\ncomprehensive essay by the end of November on 1975's Peace along with a\ngeneral \"metonymic reading\" strategy for Wolfe's work.\n\nI will have to skip over Forlesen and come back to it, as the novellas\ntake too long to thoroughly explore.\n\nLots of excellent work has been done on Peace because Wolfe gave away the\nkey details in an interview without obfuscation, so there is less room for\ndisagreement. I believe it is collected in Wright's Shadows of the New Sun\n(not the tribute anthology)\n\n\nSent from my iPhone\n_______________________________________________" } ] } ] }