{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/6497", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 6497, "subject": "Chung Kuo", "messages": 7, "voices": 5, "first": "2013-12-28T22:56:22+00:00", "last": "2014-01-02T02:16:35+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Antonin Scriabin", "address": "kierkegaurdian at gmail.com" }, "date": "2013-12-28T22:56:22+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Chung Kuo", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Has anyone here read the Chung Kuo series by David Wingrove? It seems\nintriguing. I was wondering about the reading order, since it is being\nre-released in a 20 volume version that adds a lot of content to the\noriginal 8 volume sequence. I have the first three volumes of the original\nsequence, and if I like it, I want to read it in the best order. Thanks\nguys!" } ] }, { "message_id": "<9D4970C3-2516-4664-91E3-8074CF4ABADA@gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "entonio at gmail.com", "address": "entonio at gmail.com" }, "date": "2013-12-29T00:06:56+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Chung Kuo", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I'd never heard of it, but from WP the rerelease appears not to change the order, only include stuff before and in the middle and the author's original intended ending. Have you read any of it? It sounds like the kind of thing my household would enjoy... unless it is all joyrides and no ideas.\n\n\nNo dia 28/12/2013, ?s 22:56, Antonin Scriabin escreveu:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Has anyone here read the Chung Kuo series by David Wingrove? It seems intriguing. I was wondering about the reading order, since it is being re-released in a 20 volume version that adds a lot of content to the original 8 volume sequence. I have the first three volumes of the original sequence, and if I like it, I want to read it in the best order. Thanks guys!\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Antonin Scriabin", "address": "kierkegaurdian at gmail.com" }, "date": "2013-12-29T00:15:45+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Chung Kuo", "in_reply_to": "<9D4970C3-2516-4664-91E3-8074CF4ABADA@gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Well I only just started the (traditionally) first volume, The Middle\nKingdom. It seems so far to strike a balance between big, expansive sci-fi\n(lots of big ideas to go with the setting) and the personal experiences of\na host of characters. Seems worth it so far!" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Dec 28, 2013 6:58 PM, wrote:\nI'd never heard of it, but from WP the rerelease appears not to change the\norder, only include stuff before and in the middle and the author's\noriginal intended ending. Have you read any of it? It sounds like the kind\nof thing my household would enjoy... unless it is all joyrides and no ideas.\n\n\nNo dia 28/12/2013, ?s 22:56, Antonin Scriabin \nescreveu:\n\nHas anyone here read the Chung Kuo series by David Wingrove? It seems\nintriguing. I was wondering about the reading order, since it is being\nre-released in a 20 volume version that adds a lot of content to the\noriginal 8 volume sequence. I have the first three volumes of the original\nsequence, and if I like it, I want to read it in the best order. Thanks\nguys!\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes", "address": "danldo at gmail.com" }, "date": "2013-12-29T01:16:42+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Chung Kuo", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I read the first volume and was reasonably impressed, but never got around\nto the following v's." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Antonin Scriabin\nwrote:\nWell I only just started the (traditionally) first volume, The Middle\nKingdom. It seems so far to strike a balance between big, expansive sci-fi\n(lots of big ideas to go with the setting) and the personal experiences of\na host of characters. Seems worth it so far!\nOn Dec 28, 2013 6:58 PM, wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "I'd never heard of it, but from WP the rerelease appears not to change\nthe order, only include stuff before and in the middle and the author's\noriginal intended ending. Have you read any of it? It sounds like the kind\nof thing my household would enjoy... unless it is all joyrides and no ideas.\n\n\nNo dia 28/12/2013, ?s 22:56, Antonin Scriabin \nescreveu:\n\nHas anyone here read the Chung Kuo series by David Wingrove? It seems\nintriguing. I was wondering about the reading order, since it is being\nre-released in a 20 volume version that adds a lot of content to the\noriginal 8 volume sequence. I have the first three volumes of the original\nsequence, and if I like it, I want to read it in the best order. Thanks\nguys!\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "David Duffy", "address": "david.duffy at qimr.edu.au" }, "date": "2014-01-02T00:19:18+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Chung Kuo", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Sun, 29 Dec 2013, Antonin Scriabin wrote:\nHas anyone here read the Chung Kuo series by David Wingrove? It seems\nintriguing. I was wondering about the reading order, since it is being\nre-released in a 20 volume version that adds a lot of content to the\noriginal 8 volume sequence. I have the first three volumes of the original\nsequence, and if I like it, I want to read it in the best order." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I did read all eight as they appeared at our local library, but I \nbecame a bit disappointed as things progressed, and was glad it finished.\nSo maybe liking the first three volumes wouldn't be enough ;).\n\nI didn't think think the plot justified the length, that the technologies \nneeded seemed unnaturally constricted in scope (if one can do X, then Y \nwould be just as easy - if it was fantasy then I wouldn't have this \nproblem), and a few rather nasty scenes. The \"meta\" worry I had, which \nmight seem weird to some, was whether Chinese culture was being adequately \nrepresented - I dislike obvious retellings of historical events \n(Napoleonic wars anyone?), and of stereotyping of non-European societies. \nThere are a few set pieces from the series that stick in my memory though.\n\nJust 2c,\n\nDavid Duffy." } ] }, { "message_id": "<52C4C206.2090300@verizon.net>", "from": { "name": "David Stockhoff", "address": "dstockhoff at verizon.net" }, "date": "2014-01-02T01:33:58+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Chung Kuo", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 1/1/2014 7:19 PM, David Duffy wrote:\nOn Sun, 29 Dec 2013, Antonin Scriabin wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Has anyone here read the Chung Kuo series by David Wingrove? It seems\nintriguing. I was wondering about the reading order, since it is being\nre-released in a 20 volume version that adds a lot of content to the\noriginal 8 volume sequence. I have the first three volumes of the \noriginal\nsequence, and if I like it, I want to read it in the best order." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I didn't think think the plot justified the length, that the \ntechnologies needed seemed unnaturally constricted in scope (if one \ncan do X, then Y would be just as easy - if it was fantasy then I \nwouldn't have this problem), and a few rather nasty scenes. The \"meta\" \nworry I had, which might seem weird to some, was whether Chinese \nculture was being adequately represented - I dislike obvious \nretellings of historical events (Napoleonic wars anyone?), and of \nstereotyping of non-European societies. There are a few set pieces \nfrom the series that stick in my memory though.\n\n\n_______________________________________________" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I also read only The Middle Kingdom, and had he same concerns---not \nweird at all." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Antonin Scriabin", "address": "kierkegaurdian at gmail.com" }, "date": "2014-01-02T02:16:35+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Chung Kuo", "in_reply_to": "<52C4C206.2090300@verizon.net>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I'm nearing the end of volume 1, and like it. There are only so many ways\nthe story can go, however." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Jan 1, 2014 8:34 PM, \"David Stockhoff\" wrote:\n\nOn 1/1/2014 7:19 PM, David Duffy wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "On Sun, 29 Dec 2013, Antonin Scriabin wrote:\n\n Has anyone here read the Chung Kuo series by David Wingrove? It seems\nintriguing. I was wondering about the reading order, since it is being\nre-released in a 20 volume version that adds a lot of content to the\noriginal 8 volume sequence. I have the first three volumes of the\noriginal\nsequence, and if I like it, I want to read it in the best order." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "I didn't think think the plot justified the length, that the technologies\nneeded seemed unnaturally constricted in scope (if one can do X, then Y\nwould be just as easy - if it was fantasy then I wouldn't have this\nproblem), and a few rather nasty scenes. The \"meta\" worry I had, which\nmight seem weird to some, was whether Chinese culture was being adequately\nrepresented - I dislike obvious retellings of historical events (Napoleonic\nwars anyone?), and of stereotyping of non-European societies. There are a\nfew set pieces from the series that stick in my memory though.\n\n\n_______________________________________________" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I also read only The Middle Kingdom, and had he same concerns---not weird\nat all.\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] } ] }