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This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 6507, "subject": "First Polish edition of Peace", "messages": 11, "voices": 6, "first": "2014-01-17T22:47:05+00:00", "last": "2014-01-23T09:04:48+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Piotr Szczęsny", "address": "neternalz at gmail.com" }, "date": "2014-01-17T22:47:05+00:00", "subject": "(urth) First Polish edition of Peace", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Hello,\nI live in Poland, and two days ago was a lucky day for Wolfe fans here-\nfrist Polish edition of Peace. I Read it in english, but I'm glad that it\nfinally arrived in my native language, for sake of fellow Wolfe readers\nhere who are not so proficient in english :) Now I can gift this to my\nfriends.\n\nHere is a link to a cover:\nhttp://www.mag.com.pl/pliki/ksiazki/Pok%C3%B3j/Uczta_wyobraz__ni_____Poko__j_M.jpg\nThe vertical writing at the bottom is a name of the series, it translates\nroughly as \"Feast of Imagination\" and contains some very interesting books\n(Jeff Vandermeer, Lucius Shepard and mj harrison to name a few).\n\n\nAs for my opinion... I Think the cover is pretty decent but, to be honest\nI'm a little disappointed, some of this series have mindblowing cover arts.\n\nI hope you enjoy this little \"local\" curiosity, maybe some of you are from\nother countries and can share cover arts other than TOR editions ?\n\nGreetings from Poland,\n\nPeter." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes", "address": "danldo at gmail.com" }, "date": "2014-01-17T22:49:14+00:00", "subject": "(urth) First Polish edition of Peace", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Piotr,\n\nThanks for sharing that. Actually, I quite like the cover -- I think it's\nthe second-best cover for PEACE I've seen (the best being the very quiet\nGahan Wilson skulls).\n\n--Dan'l" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Piotr Szcz?sny wrote:\nHello,\nI live in Poland, and two days ago was a lucky day for Wolfe fans here-\nfrist Polish edition of Peace. I Read it in english, but I'm glad that it\nfinally arrived in my native language, for sake of fellow Wolfe readers\nhere who are not so proficient in english :) Now I can gift this to my\nfriends.\n\nHere is a link to a cover:\n\nhttp://www.mag.com.pl/pliki/ksiazki/Pok%C3%B3j/Uczta_wyobraz__ni_____Poko__j_M.jpg\nThe vertical writing at the bottom is a name of the series, it translates\nroughly as \"Feast of Imagination\" and contains some very interesting books\n(Jeff Vandermeer, Lucius Shepard and mj harrison to name a few).\n\n\nAs for my opinion... I Think the cover is pretty decent but, to be honest\nI'm a little disappointed, some of this series have mindblowing cover arts.\n\nI hope you enjoy this little \"local\" curiosity, maybe some of you are from\nother countries and can share cover arts other than TOR editions ?\n\nGreetings from Poland,\n\nPeter.\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<8845A817FACD4CF09983CACEFF23EC87@Rover>", "from": { "name": "Gerry Quinn", "address": "gerry at bindweed.com" }, "date": "2014-01-17T22:59:48+00:00", "subject": "(urth) First Polish edition of Peace", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "From: Dan'l Danehy-Oakes\nSent: Friday, January 17, 2014 10:49 PM\nTo: The Urth Mailing List\nSubject: Re: (urth) First Polish edition of Peace\n\nPiotr," }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Thanks for sharing that. Actually, I quite like the cover -- I think it's \nthe\nsecond-best cover for PEACE I've seen (the best being the very quiet\nGahan Wilson skulls)." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I think it is attractive and obviously a riff on the older cover in which an\narrow takes up negative space inside a hill - but at the same time,\nit seems to be all about newspapers, and _Peace_ has nothing to do with\nnewspapers. So I cannot really mark it highly.\n\n- Gerry Quinn " } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Piotr Szczęsny", "address": "neternalz at gmail.com" }, "date": "2014-01-17T23:02:17+00:00", "subject": "(urth) First Polish edition of Peace", "in_reply_to": "<8845A817FACD4CF09983CACEFF23EC87@Rover>", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "My personal copy is the new orbit edition with Neil Gaiman afterword and\nI'm very emotionally attached to it ;).\n\nI forgot to write in original post : If anyone would like to have this\nPolish edition for collecting purposes, it would be a pleasure for me to\nsend one,l et's say in exchange for another GW book :)\nThis is nice hardcover - no dust jacket, smaller than TOR hardcovers and on\nhigh grade paper (very white and firm). So if anyone is interested send me\nan email and we can arrange a trade." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Gwern Branwen", "address": "gwern at gwern.net" }, "date": "2014-01-17T23:03:02+00:00", "subject": "(urth) First Polish edition of Peace", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 5:47 PM, Piotr Szcz?sny wrote:\nI live in Poland, and two days ago was a lucky day for Wolfe fans here-\nfrist Polish edition of Peace. I Read it in english, but I'm glad that it\nfinally arrived in my native language, for sake of fellow Wolfe readers here\nwho are not so proficient in english :)" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Is the translation good?" }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "gwern\nhttp://www.gwern.net" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "António Pedro Marques", "address": "entonio at gmail.com" }, "date": "2014-01-18T02:52:31+00:00", "subject": "(urth) First Polish edition of Peace", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "(...grumble about never having gone far enough with my polish...)\n\nIs 'Pok?j' the best translation for 'Peace' here?\n\nAside from the mainstream classics, you hardly find anything other than pocketbook translations of SF in portuguese, such as http://www.europa-america.pt/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=Gene+Wolfe\nThe results may very. I've quite enjoyed some translations of other authors (we actually have most volumes of an SF collection that started off in the 50s and lasted until recently, running into the 500s), and that's how I met Simak, Cornbluth, Poul Anderson and many others (back in the day it wasn't so easy to get the originals even if you could read them - though I first met Tolkien and Zelazny in English, thank God). Generally speaking, SF could translate well into Portuguese, I think, if it weren't for the fact that translators can do very little with names. Translated Tolkien is painful to read and I guess the same would hold for Wolfe - I never even looked at it, even though I think I may have one of those pocket volumes.\n\nWe did have a couple of nice collections, but mostly fantasy. One had a book of short stories by S?awomir Mro?ek. Also, Lovecraft has been reasonably well done.\n \n\nNo dia 17/01/2014, ?s 22:47, Piotr Szcz?sny escreveu:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Hello, \nI live in Poland, and two days ago was a lucky day for Wolfe fans here-\nfrist Polish edition of Peace. I Read it in english, but I'm glad that it finally arrived in my native language, for sake of fellow Wolfe readers here who are not so proficient in english :) Now I can gift this to my friends.\n\nHere is a link to a cover:\nhttp://www.mag.com.pl/pliki/ksiazki/Pok%C3%B3j/Uczta_wyobraz__ni_____Poko__j_M.jpg\nThe vertical writing at the bottom is a name of the series, it translates roughly as \"Feast of Imagination\" and contains some very interesting books (Jeff Vandermeer, Lucius Shepard and mj harrison to name a few).\n\n\nAs for my opinion... I Think the cover is pretty decent but, to be honest I'm a little disappointed, some of this series have mindblowing cover arts.\n\nI hope you enjoy this little \"local\" curiosity, maybe some of you are from other countries and can share cover arts other than TOR editions ? \n\nGreetings from Poland,\n\nPeter.\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Piotr Szczęsny", "address": "neternalz at gmail.com" }, "date": "2014-01-22T19:35:53+00:00", "subject": "(urth) First Polish edition of Peace", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "So I finally recived my copy today, looks good, and translation seems\npretty good so far.\n\"Pok?j\" I think is the best word for the title! It means \"peace\" in\nPolish..but! it also means \"room\" :)\n( I Think Gene would like this little fact ;) )\nI contacted the publisher with question about other Gene books, especially\nnewer ones,\nUnfortunately the guy said they will be releasing a new edition of Book of\nthe new sun." } ] }, { "message_id": "<34F23CD7-5A0E-4EF6-9A1E-CEC533B0F0A4@gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "António Pedro Marques", "address": "entonio at gmail.com" }, "date": "2014-01-23T01:18:13+00:00", "subject": "(urth) First Polish edition of Peace", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "No dia 22/01/2014, ?s 19:35, Piotr Szcz?sny escreveu:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Pok?j\" I think is the best word for the title! It means \"peace\" in Polish..but! it also means \"room\" :)\n( I Think Gene would like this little fact ;) )" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Yes. There are other words for 'peace', so this one was chosen for a reason. What I was wondering is whether pok?j means 'room' simply as in 'division of a building' or more as in 'space enough to be comfortable in'. I am guessing the latter, but i don't actually know." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Gerry Quinn", "address": "gerry at bindweed.com" }, "date": "2014-01-23T01:52:49+00:00", "subject": "(urth) First Polish edition of Peace", "in_reply_to": "<34F23CD7-5A0E-4EF6-9A1E-CEC533B0F0A4@gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "From: Ant?nio Pedro Marques\nNo dia 22/01/2014, ?s 19:35, Piotr Szcz?sny escreveu:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Pok?j\" I think is the best word for the title! It means \"peace\" in \nPolish..but!\nit also means \"room\" :)\n( I Think Gene would like this little fact ;) )" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Yes. There are other words for 'peace', so this one was chosen for a \nreason.\nWhat I was wondering is whether pok?j means 'room' simply as in 'division\n of a building' or more as in 'space enough to be comfortable in'. I am\nguessing the latter, but i don't actually know." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I do not see how any language could endure such confusion!\n\n- Gerry Quinn" } ] }, { "message_id": "<7750BB99-CBAC-4455-BCBF-F0100AAD52EC@yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Marc Aramini", "address": "marcaramini at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2014-01-23T01:53:17+00:00", "subject": "(urth) First Polish edition of Peace", "in_reply_to": "<34F23CD7-5A0E-4EF6-9A1E-CEC533B0F0A4@gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I am fairly confident that English title is also playing with Gaelic fairies' designation as the people of peace / people of the mound. Shithe/sidhe --- \nBesides the obvious connotation\nWeer is quite literally a person of the mound as he narrates. \nSent from my iPhone" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Jan 22, 2014, at 6:18 PM, Ant?nio Pedro Marques wrote:\nNo dia 22/01/2014, ?s 19:35, Piotr Szcz?sny escreveu:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Pok?j\" I think is the best word for the title! It means \"peace\" in Polish..but! it also means \"room\" :)\n( I Think Gene would like this little fact ;) )" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Yes. There are other words for 'peace', so this one was chosen for a reason. What I was wondering is whether pok?j means 'room' simply as in 'division of a building' or more as in 'space enough to be comfortable in'. I am guessing the latter, but i don't actually know.\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Piotr Szczęsny", "address": "neternalz at gmail.com" }, "date": "2014-01-23T09:04:48+00:00", "subject": "(urth) First Polish edition of Peace", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "It's not that bad ;). Ant?nio is right, you can say \"pok?j\" only about\nrooms that people are spending time in (and as you said , are comfortable\nin).\n\n\n\n2014/1/23 Gerry Quinn " }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "From: Ant?nio Pedro Marques\n\nNo dia 22/01/2014, ?s 19:35, Piotr Szcz?sny \nescreveu:\n\n > Pok?j\" I think is the best word for the title! It means \"peace\" in >\nPolish..but!" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "it also means \"room\" :)\n( I Think Gene would like this little fact ;) )" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": " Yes. There are other words for 'peace', so this one was chosen for a\nreason." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "What I was wondering is whether pok?j means 'room' simply as in 'division\n of a building' or more as in 'space enough to be comfortable in'. I am\nguessing the latter, but i don't actually know." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I do not see how any language could endure such confusion!\n\n- Gerry Quinn\n\n\n\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] } ] }