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This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 6522, "subject": "Apocalypses", "messages": 20, "voices": 6, "first": "2014-03-29T00:56:00+00:00", "last": "2014-03-30T00:59:47+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Antonin Scriabin", "address": "kierkegaurdian at gmail.com" }, "date": "2014-03-29T00:56:00+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Apocalypses", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I'm having trouble translating, finding anything on, or making sense of the\nterm \"kalo pisicho\" in Lafferty's Apocalypses. Can anyone point me in the\nright direction? All I know for sure is it is the being the Detective,\nCaptain Nemo, is more afraid of than anything in the world." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Matthew King", "address": "automatthew at gmail.com" }, "date": "2014-03-29T01:06:23+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Apocalypses", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Mar 28, 2014, at 7:56 PM, Antonin Scriabin wrote:\nI'm having trouble translating, finding anything on, or making sense of the term \"kalo pisicho\" in Lafferty's Apocalypses. Can anyone point me in the right direction? All I know for sure is it is the being the Detective, Captain Nemo, is more afraid of than anything in the world." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "\"kalo\" would be close to the Greek for \"good\". \"Pisicho\" doesn't seem Greek to me; more like greekified Latin. Because it's Lafferty, I'd place a strong guess that he means us to understand \"fish\". Cf. his \"queer fish\" in \"And Walk Now Gently Through the Fire\".\n\nhttp://greatsfandf.com/AUTHORS/RALafferty.php\n\nThe ichthyans or Queer Fish are the oddest species to be found in any of the worlds. They are pseudo-human, perhaps, but not android. The sign of the fish is not easily seen on them, and they pass as human whenever they wish: a peculiarity of them is that they often do not wish to pass as human even when their lives depend on it. They have blood in their veins, but an additional serum as well. It is only when the organizational sickness is upon them (for these organizing and building proclivities they are sometimes known as the Queer Builders or the Ants of God), that they can really be told from humans. . . . Their threat to us is more real than apparent and we tend to minimize it. This we must not do. In our unstructured, destructed, destroyed society, they must be counted as the enemies to be exterminated. It's a double danger they offer to us: to fight them on their own grounds, or to neglect to fight them. They'd almost trick us into organizing to hunt down their organization." } ] }, { "message_id": "<9F2ECCE5-DF20-4C61-823A-43282D8484A1@gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Matthew King", "address": "automatthew at gmail.com" }, "date": "2014-03-29T01:08:41+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Apocalypses", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "A naive Google search provides illumination:\n\nhttps://www.google.com/webhp?complete=0#complete=0&q=%22kalo+pisicho%22" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Showing results for \"kalo psycho\"\nNo results found for \"kalo pisicho\" " }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Turn \"psycho\" into \"psuche\", and you have \"good soul\". The good soul is a good fish?" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Antonin Scriabin", "address": "kierkegaurdian at gmail.com" }, "date": "2014-03-29T01:19:38+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Apocalypses", "in_reply_to": "<9F2ECCE5-DF20-4C61-823A-43282D8484A1@gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Yes, my first thought was that \"pisicho\" was some modified form of \"psyche\"\nor (even closer) \"phisico\" even though they imply different things. It is\nalso quite close to Pisces. I have \"And Walk Now Gently Through the Fire\",\nthanks for the lead. Looks like some supplementary reading is in order." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Mar 28, 2014 9:08 PM, \"Matthew King\" wrote:\nA naive Google search provides illumination:\n\nhttps://www.google.com/webhp?complete=0#complete=0&q=%22kalo+pisicho%22" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Showing results for \"kalo psycho\"\nNo results found for \"kalo pisicho\"" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Turn \"psycho\" into \"psuche\", and you have \"good soul\". The good soul is a\ngood fish?\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<2D2A809D-3B61-4C9A-8E1D-F474DDBC66F1@gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Matthew King", "address": "automatthew at gmail.com" }, "date": "2014-03-29T01:22:35+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Apocalypses", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Mar 28, 2014, at 8:19 PM, Antonin Scriabin wrote:\nYes, my first thought was that \"pisicho\" was some modified form of \"psyche\" or (even closer) \"phisico\" even though they imply different things." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "That's even better: a triple pun on soul, fish, and physics." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Antonin Scriabin", "address": "kierkegaurdian at gmail.com" }, "date": "2014-03-29T01:28:56+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Apocalypses", "in_reply_to": "<2D2A809D-3B61-4C9A-8E1D-F474DDBC66F1@gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "It seems \"pisich\" is the possessive form (in Scottish Gaelic) of success /\nprogress. This is probably a dead end, but still interesting. I like the\ntriple pun better." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Mar 28, 2014 9:22 PM, \"Matthew King\" wrote:\n\nOn Mar 28, 2014, at 8:19 PM, Antonin Scriabin \nwrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Yes, my first thought was that \"pisicho\" was some modified form of\n\"psyche\" or (even closer) \"phisico\" even though they imply different things." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "That's even better: a triple pun on soul, fish, and physics.\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes", "address": "danldo at gmail.com" }, "date": "2014-03-29T01:39:22+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Apocalypses", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "The Good Fish are, of course, Catholics...for what that's worth in this\nparticular hunt." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 6:28 PM, Antonin Scriabin\nwrote:\nIt seems \"pisich\" is the possessive form (in Scottish Gaelic) of success /\nprogress. This is probably a dead end, but still interesting. I like the\ntriple pun better.\nOn Mar 28, 2014 9:22 PM, \"Matthew King\" wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "On Mar 28, 2014, at 8:19 PM, Antonin Scriabin \nwrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "Yes, my first thought was that \"pisicho\" was some modified form of\n\"psyche\" or (even closer) \"phisico\" even though they imply different things." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "That's even better: a triple pun on soul, fish, and physics.\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Matthew King", "address": "automatthew at gmail.com" }, "date": "2014-03-29T04:19:58+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Apocalypses", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Mar 28, 2014, at 8:39 PM, \"Dan'l Danehy-Oakes\" wrote:\nThe Good Fish are, of course, Catholics...for what that's worth in this particular hunt." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "One might more generally say they are members of the body of the Christ. Except it's Lafferty we're talking about, on a Gene Wolfe mailing list, so yes, probably Catholics. Ecumenical RAL was not." } ] }, { "message_id": "<53366656.3060503@clueland.com>", "from": { "name": "Jeffery Wilson clueland.com", "address": "jwilson at clueland.com" }, "date": "2014-03-29T06:21:10+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Apocalypses", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 3/28/2014 7:56 PM, Antonin Scriabin wrote:\nI'm having trouble translating, finding anything on, or making sense of\nthe term \"kalo pisicho\" in Lafferty's Apocalypses. Can anyone point me\nin the right direction? All I know for sure is it is the being the\nDetective, Captain Nemo, is more afraid of than anything in the world." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Google Ngrams' earliest hit for kalo is Narrative of a journey in the \nMorea, 1823, by Sir William Gell. P.376, \"The people seemed rather \npleased that I approved of their liquor, and all in chorus cried out \nKalo kalo krassi, good wine.\"\n\nPisicho is also a Micronesian atoll, perhaps used as a trap for a \nsubmariner?" }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Jeff Wilson - < jwilson at clueland.com >\nA&M Texarkana Computational Intelligence Lab\n< http://www.tamut.edu/cil >" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Daniel Otto Jack Petersen", "address": "danielottojackpetersen at gmail.com" }, "date": "2014-03-29T10:25:55+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Apocalypses", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "*Ecumenical RAL was not.*\n\nDon't count him out too quick on that - ever read his 'Ishmael into the\nBarrens' (similar in theme to 'And Walk Now Gently Through the Fire')?\n ('Ishmael' is collected in Four Futures, edited by Asimov.) There's a\nsurprising Christian-Jewish-Muslim counterculture community united in\ntheism against the dystopian secular state of the story. I think this kind\nof thing comes up a few more times in his body of work. It's one of the\nmany examples throughout his fiction of a profound generosity in tension\nwith an equally profound antipathy toward his ideological adversaries. (To\nbe honest, I think you find something similar in Wolfe at an intellectual\nrather than emotional level: he doesn't show antipathy, I think - quite\nthe reverse. But he seems to have some ideas of what 'right doctrine'\n(orthodoxy) is. He just argues for it very, very subtly and open-endedly\nand in deep, deep conversation with 'heresy' and 'infidelity'. Really,\nLaff did as well - he's just more cantankerous.)\n\nBy the bye, my Lafferty blog gets its name from the story 'And Walk Now' in\ncase people hadn't picked up on that: The Ants of God Are Queer\nFish\n.\n\n-DOJP" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 4:19 AM, Matthew King wrote:\nOn Mar 28, 2014, at 8:39 PM, \"Dan'l Danehy-Oakes\" \nwrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "The Good Fish are, of course, Catholics...for what that's worth in this\nparticular hunt." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "One might more generally say they are members of the body of the Christ.\n Except it's Lafferty we're talking about, on a Gene Wolfe mailing list, so\nyes, probably Catholics. Ecumenical RAL was not.\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<5336B5FE.7050807@clueland.com>", "from": { "name": "Jeffery Wilson clueland.com", "address": "jwilson at clueland.com" }, "date": "2014-03-29T12:01:02+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Apocalypses", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 3/29/2014 5:25 AM, Daniel Otto Jack Petersen wrote:\nIt's one\nof the many examples throughout his fiction of a profound generosity in\ntension with an equally profound antipathy toward his ideological\nadversaries. (To be honest, I think you find something similar in Wolfe\nat an intellectual rather than emotional level: he doesn't show\nantipathy, I think - quite the reverse." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "IIEC Wolfe was fairly harsh on the emotional level in ascribing the \ncruel humor of a Turkish joke book to the Turks' lack of Christianity in \nthe Jordan interview." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Jeff Wilson - < jwilson at clueland.com >\nA&M Texarkana Computational Intelligence Lab\n< http://www.tamut.edu/cil >" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Daniel Otto Jack Petersen", "address": "danielottojackpetersen at gmail.com" }, "date": "2014-03-29T12:47:08+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Apocalypses", "in_reply_to": "<5336B5FE.7050807@clueland.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "*IIEC Wolfe was fairly harsh on the emotional level in ascribing the cruel\nhumor of a Turkish joke book to the Turks' lack of Christianity in the\nJordan interview.*\n\nAh, interesting. Of course, I'm not saying Wolfe's *never* harsh or\nemotional about ideological opponents - but it does seem to me that a vast\nand deep element of his body of work (especially the Solar Cycle) is the\nentering into the mindset and lives of non-Catholics and creating\nsympathetic characters out of that. (Also, 'IIEC'?)\n\nBut looking at that bit in the interview I'd say it's a little more complex\nthan your soundbyte implies. I hear these kinds of claims from\nnon-Christians about Christianity ALL the time. Sometimes it's emotional\nand harsh and sometimes it's part of an actual honest-to-God argument and\nwhen it's the latter, even if it raises my hackles, I (as a Christian) have\nto simply consider its truth value. Wolfe here is raising a\nhistorical-ethical argument about the influence of Jesus on some\ncivilisations and the absence of that influence on other civilisations.\n He's here pointing to what he takes to be some of the egregious samples of\nthe latter, whereas his fiction shows he's perfectly capable of pointing to\nwhat he takes to be admirable qualities of, for instance, Arab cultures.\n\n\nHere's the bit from the interview for those interested (found here:\nhttp://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze2tmhh/wolfejbj.html)\n\n*JJ:* That is an interesting perspective on it, I hadn't thought of at all.\nMy wife had one of her professors that taught in a Moslem country for a\nwhile and said he woke up one day and saw the children had a bunch of\nkittens they were throwing up in the air and hitting them with a baseball\nbat against the wall and the mothers just sat by and watched. He said \"I am\nnot a Christian, I am an atheist, but I am a Christian in that I could not\ntolerate that.\" There has been an influence in our society that has made us\ndifferent from pagans.\n\n*GW:* We vastly underestimate the importance of Jesus. We think we don't.\nWe have all these churches and we say how can we be underestimating Jesus?\nWe don't until we start trying to figure out what it would be like if he\nhad never lived. When you really start trying to figure out what it would\nbe like if He never lived you realize that He is a much more pivotal figure\nthan we give him credit for. All of these people, everybody at this\nconvention is in that sense a Christian although most of them would tell\nyou that they are not and some of them would tell them quite truthfully\nthat they were Jews who practice Judaism in one of its various forms and so\non and so forth. Nevertheless they have been influenced by Christ much more\nthan they realized. We are very lucky to have had Him. We are very\nfortunate. A friend of mine learned to read Turkish. And he got hold of a\nTurkish joke book and read it. And I said, \"What were the jokes like?\" He\nsaid it was horrible. They were all about ugly tricks that were being\nplayed on blind people and things like that. This is what we have escaped\nfrom and we don't realize that it is there and we came very close to\nfalling into it. We very easily could have and we still may." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Jeffery Wilson clueland.com <\njwilson at clueland.com> wrote:\nOn 3/29/2014 5:25 AM, Daniel Otto Jack Petersen wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "It's one\nof the many examples throughout his fiction of a profound generosity in\ntension with an equally profound antipathy toward his ideological\nadversaries. (To be honest, I think you find something similar in Wolfe\nat an intellectual rather than emotional level: he doesn't show\nantipathy, I think - quite the reverse." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "IIEC Wolfe was fairly harsh on the emotional level in ascribing the cruel\nhumor of a Turkish joke book to the Turks' lack of Christianity in the\nJordan interview.\n\n--\nJeff Wilson - < jwilson at clueland.com >\nA&M Texarkana Computational Intelligence Lab\n< http://www.tamut.edu/cil >\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<8AE6A02F-7432-4932-979A-B4E058A5B3BC@gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Matthew King", "address": "automatthew at gmail.com" }, "date": "2014-03-29T23:09:14+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Apocalypses", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Mar 29, 2014, at 5:25 AM, Daniel Otto Jack Petersen wrote:\n Really, Laff did as well - he's just more cantankerous" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I want nothing less. If you're going to be salty, be very, very salty. It's not coincidence that the best High SF writers of the latter 20th and early 21st centuries* are Roman Catholics (but I'm still sticking to my house church).\n\n* Wolfe, Lafferty, John C. Wright, Michael Flynn." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Daniel Otto Jack Petersen", "address": "danielottojackpetersen at gmail.com" }, "date": "2014-03-29T23:26:25+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Apocalypses", "in_reply_to": "<8AE6A02F-7432-4932-979A-B4E058A5B3BC@gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "*It's not coincidence that the best High SF writers of the latter 20th and\nearly 21st centuries* are Roman Catholics (but I'm still sticking to my\nhouse church).* Wolfe, Lafferty, John C. Wright, Michael Flynn.*\n\nAnd you could add Tim Powers to that list if you include some of the most\ninnovative weird fiction..." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 11:09 PM, Matthew King wrote:\nOn Mar 29, 2014, at 5:25 AM, Daniel Otto Jack Petersen <\ndanielottojackpetersen at gmail.com> wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": " Really, Laff did as well - he's just more cantankerous" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I want nothing less. If you're going to be salty, be very, very salty.\n It's not coincidence that the best High SF writers of the latter 20th and\nearly 21st centuries* are Roman Catholics (but I'm still sticking to my\nhouse church).\n\n* Wolfe, Lafferty, John C. Wright, Michael Flynn.\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Antonin Scriabin", "address": "kierkegaurdian at gmail.com" }, "date": "2014-03-29T23:27:29+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Apocalypses", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Powers is a Catholic? Interesting." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Mar 29, 2014 7:26 PM, \"Daniel Otto Jack Petersen\" <\ndanielottojackpetersen at gmail.com> wrote:\n\n\n*It's not coincidence that the best High SF writers of the latter 20th and\nearly 21st centuries* are Roman Catholics (but I'm still sticking to my\nhouse church). * Wolfe, Lafferty, John C. Wright, Michael Flynn.*\n\nAnd you could add Tim Powers to that list if you include some of the most\ninnovative weird fiction...\n\n\nOn Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 11:09 PM, Matthew King wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "On Mar 29, 2014, at 5:25 AM, Daniel Otto Jack Petersen <\ndanielottojackpetersen at gmail.com> wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": " Really, Laff did as well - he's just more cantankerous" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "I want nothing less. If you're going to be salty, be very, very salty.\n It's not coincidence that the best High SF writers of the latter 20th and\nearly 21st centuries* are Roman Catholics (but I'm still sticking to my\nhouse church).\n\n* Wolfe, Lafferty, John C. Wright, Michael Flynn.\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<4BEDCDF8-BC15-48EA-8044-73EB97CD2482@me.com>", "from": { "name": "Jeffrey Meyers", "address": "jeffmeyers at me.com" }, "date": "2014-03-30T00:26:54+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Apocalypses", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "And James Blaylock." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Mar 29, 2014, at 6:27 PM, Antonin Scriabin wrote:\nPowers is a Catholic? Interesting.\n\nOn Mar 29, 2014 7:26 PM, \"Daniel Otto Jack Petersen\" wrote:\nIt's not coincidence that the best High SF writers of the latter 20th and early 21st centuries* are Roman Catholics (but I'm still sticking to my house church).\n\n* Wolfe, Lafferty, John C. Wright, Michael Flynn.\n\nAnd you could add Tim Powers to that list if you include some of the most innovative weird fiction...\n\n\nOn Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 11:09 PM, Matthew King wrote:\nOn Mar 29, 2014, at 5:25 AM, Daniel Otto Jack Petersen wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": " Really, Laff did as well - he's just more cantankerous" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I want nothing less. If you're going to be salty, be very, very salty. It's not coincidence that the best High SF writers of the latter 20th and early 21st centuries* are Roman Catholics (but I'm still sticking to my house church).\n\n* Wolfe, Lafferty, John C. Wright, Michael Flynn.\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Daniel Otto Jack Petersen", "address": "danielottojackpetersen at gmail.com" }, "date": "2014-03-30T00:31:37+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Apocalypses", "in_reply_to": "<4BEDCDF8-BC15-48EA-8044-73EB97CD2482@me.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Blaylock too? I knew they were friends but all this time I had no idea he\nwas Catholic as well..." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 12:26 AM, Jeffrey Meyers wrote:\nAnd James Blaylock.\n\nOn Mar 29, 2014, at 6:27 PM, Antonin Scriabin \nwrote:\n\nPowers is a Catholic? Interesting.\nOn Mar 29, 2014 7:26 PM, \"Daniel Otto Jack Petersen\" <\ndanielottojackpetersen at gmail.com> wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "*It's not coincidence that the best High SF writers of the latter 20th\nand early 21st centuries* are Roman Catholics (but I'm still sticking to my\nhouse church). * Wolfe, Lafferty, John C. Wright, Michael Flynn.*\n\nAnd you could add Tim Powers to that list if you include some of the most\ninnovative weird fiction...\n\n\nOn Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 11:09 PM, Matthew King wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "On Mar 29, 2014, at 5:25 AM, Daniel Otto Jack Petersen <\ndanielottojackpetersen at gmail.com> wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": " Really, Laff did as well - he's just more cantankerous" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "I want nothing less. If you're going to be salty, be very, very salty.\n It's not coincidence that the best High SF writers of the latter 20th and\nearly 21st centuries* are Roman Catholics (but I'm still sticking to my\nhouse church).\n\n* Wolfe, Lafferty, John C. Wright, Michael Flynn.\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<92924E94-9416-469D-BAE9-E181BEB6A594@me.com>", "from": { "name": "Jeffrey Meyers", "address": "jeffmeyers at me.com" }, "date": "2014-03-30T00:39:38+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Apocalypses", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Well, I think so. Maybe Presbyterian. I recall an interview with him somewhere. Perhaps he grew up Presbyterian. I'd have to do some digging to find it." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Mar 29, 2014, at 7:31 PM, Daniel Otto Jack Petersen wrote:\nBlaylock too? I knew they were friends but all this time I had no idea he was Catholic as well...\n\n\nOn Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 12:26 AM, Jeffrey Meyers wrote:\nAnd James Blaylock.\n\nOn Mar 29, 2014, at 6:27 PM, Antonin Scriabin wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Powers is a Catholic? Interesting.\n\nOn Mar 29, 2014 7:26 PM, \"Daniel Otto Jack Petersen\" wrote:\nIt's not coincidence that the best High SF writers of the latter 20th and early 21st centuries* are Roman Catholics (but I'm still sticking to my house church).\n\n* Wolfe, Lafferty, John C. Wright, Michael Flynn.\n\nAnd you could add Tim Powers to that list if you include some of the most innovative weird fiction...\n\n\nOn Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 11:09 PM, Matthew King wrote:\nOn Mar 29, 2014, at 5:25 AM, Daniel Otto Jack Petersen wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": " Really, Laff did as well - he's just more cantankerous" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "I want nothing less. If you're going to be salty, be very, very salty. It's not coincidence that the best High SF writers of the latter 20th and early 21st centuries* are Roman Catholics (but I'm still sticking to my house church).\n\n* Wolfe, Lafferty, John C. Wright, Michael Flynn.\n_______________________________________________\nUrth Mailing List" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes", "address": "danldo at gmail.com" }, "date": "2014-03-30T00:47:11+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Apocalypses", "in_reply_to": "<92924E94-9416-469D-BAE9-E181BEB6A594@me.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Not sure about Blaylock, but Powers is definitely a Catholic." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 5:39 PM, Jeffrey Meyers wrote:\nWell, I think so. Maybe Presbyterian. I recall an interview with him\nsomewhere. Perhaps he grew up Presbyterian. I'd have to do some digging\nto find it.\n\nOn Mar 29, 2014, at 7:31 PM, Daniel Otto Jack Petersen <\ndanielottojackpetersen at gmail.com> wrote:\n\nBlaylock too? I knew they were friends but all this time I had no idea he\nwas Catholic as well...\n\n\nOn Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 12:26 AM, Jeffrey Meyers wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "And James Blaylock.\n\nOn Mar 29, 2014, at 6:27 PM, Antonin Scriabin \nwrote:\n\nPowers is a Catholic? Interesting.\nOn Mar 29, 2014 7:26 PM, \"Daniel Otto Jack Petersen\" <\ndanielottojackpetersen at gmail.com> wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "*It's not coincidence that the best High SF writers of the latter 20th\nand early 21st centuries* are Roman Catholics (but I'm still sticking to my\nhouse church). * Wolfe, Lafferty, John C. Wright, Michael Flynn.*\n\nAnd you could add Tim Powers to that list if you include some of the\nmost innovative weird fiction...\n\n\nOn Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 11:09 PM, Matthew King wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "On Mar 29, 2014, at 5:25 AM, Daniel Otto Jack Petersen <\ndanielottojackpetersen at gmail.com> wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 5, "text": " Really, Laff did as well - he's just more cantankerous" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "I want nothing less. If you're going to be salty, be very, very salty.\n It's not coincidence that the best High SF writers of the latter 20th and\nearly 21st centuries* are Roman Catholics (but I'm still sticking to my\nhouse church).\n\n* Wolfe, Lafferty, John C. Wright, Michael Flynn.\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Jeffrey Meyers", "address": "jeffmeyers at me.com" }, "date": "2014-03-30T00:59:47+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Apocalypses", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Yes, right. Sorry. I was talking about Blaylock." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Mar 29, 2014, at 7:47 PM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:\nNot sure about Blaylock, but Powers is definitely a Catholic.\n\n\nOn Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 5:39 PM, Jeffrey Meyers wrote:\nWell, I think so. Maybe Presbyterian. I recall an interview with him somewhere. Perhaps he grew up Presbyterian. I'd have to do some digging to find it.\n\nOn Mar 29, 2014, at 7:31 PM, Daniel Otto Jack Petersen wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Blaylock too? I knew they were friends but all this time I had no idea he was Catholic as well...\n\n\nOn Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 12:26 AM, Jeffrey Meyers wrote:\nAnd James Blaylock.\n\nOn Mar 29, 2014, at 6:27 PM, Antonin Scriabin wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "Powers is a Catholic? Interesting.\n\nOn Mar 29, 2014 7:26 PM, \"Daniel Otto Jack Petersen\" wrote:\nIt's not coincidence that the best High SF writers of the latter 20th and early 21st centuries* are Roman Catholics (but I'm still sticking to my house church).\n\n* Wolfe, Lafferty, John C. Wright, Michael Flynn.\n\nAnd you could add Tim Powers to that list if you include some of the most innovative weird fiction...\n\n\nOn Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 11:09 PM, Matthew King wrote:\nOn Mar 29, 2014, at 5:25 AM, Daniel Otto Jack Petersen wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": " Really, Laff did as well - he's just more cantankerous" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "I want nothing less. If you're going to be salty, be very, very salty. It's not coincidence that the best High SF writers of the latter 20th and early 21st centuries* are Roman Catholics (but I'm still sticking to my house church).\n\n* Wolfe, Lafferty, John C. Wright, Michael Flynn.\n_______________________________________________\nUrth Mailing List\nTo post, write urth at urth.net\nSubscription/information: http://www.urth.net\n\n\n\n-- \nDaniel Otto Jack Petersen\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] } ] }