{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/6537", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 6537, "subject": "Meta: messages being dropped into Gmail spam folder", "messages": 13, "voices": 9, "first": "2014-04-28T17:22:11+00:00", "last": "2014-04-30T16:55:49+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Gwern Branwen", "address": "gwern at gwern.net" }, "date": "2014-04-28T17:22:11+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Meta: messages being dropped into Gmail spam folder", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I've noticed over the past few weeks that Urth.net emails from\nYahoo.com users (such as Marc Aramini) seem to be regularly dropping\ninto my spam folder despite me always marking them non-spam. Has\nanyone else been seeing this behavior?" }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "gwern\nhttp://www.gwern.net" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes", "address": "danldo at gmail.com" }, "date": "2014-04-28T17:26:05+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Meta: messages being dropped into Gmail spam folder", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Yes. It's quite irritating, as Marc's posts are always worth reading!" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 10:22 AM, Gwern Branwen wrote:\nI've noticed over the past few weeks that Urth.net emails from\nYahoo.com users (such as Marc Aramini) seem to be regularly dropping\ninto my spam folder despite me always marking them non-spam. Has\nanyone else been seeing this behavior?\n\n--\ngwern\nhttp://www.gwern.net\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Fred Kiesche", "address": "godelescherbach at gmail.com" }, "date": "2014-04-28T17:34:06+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Meta: messages being dropped into Gmail spam folder", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I've been getting that as well. Several times gmail has asked me if I want\nto forward the message to their crack team to help \"improve\" things, but\nthe e-mails keep getting dumped in there. Grrrr!!!" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 1:26 PM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:\nYes. It's quite irritating, as Marc's posts are always worth reading!\n\n\nOn Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 10:22 AM, Gwern Branwen wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "I've noticed over the past few weeks that Urth.net emails from\nYahoo.com users (such as Marc Aramini) seem to be regularly dropping\ninto my spam folder despite me always marking them non-spam. Has\nanyone else been seeing this behavior?\n\n--\ngwern\nhttp://www.gwern.net\n_______________________________________________\nUrth Mailing List\nTo post, write urth at urth.net\nSubscription/information: http://www.urth.net" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "--\nDan'l Danehy-Oakes\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Dimitar Nikolov", "address": "dimitar.g.nikolov at gmail.com" }, "date": "2014-04-28T17:52:59+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Meta: messages being dropped into Gmail spam folder", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Long time lurker here. I've noticed this too, and unfortunately it looks\nlike gmail's spam filter has become more aggressive, since this has been\nhappening with other messages for me. The solution is to set up a filter\nfrom Settings > Filters, such that messages sent to urth at lists.urth.net are\nnever marked as spam.\n\nHope this helps.\n\nBest,\nDimitar" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Fred Kiesche wrote:\nI've been getting that as well. Several times gmail has asked me if I want\nto forward the message to their crack team to help \"improve\" things, but\nthe e-mails keep getting dumped in there. Grrrr!!!\n\n\nOn Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 1:26 PM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Yes. It's quite irritating, as Marc's posts are always worth reading!\n\n\nOn Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 10:22 AM, Gwern Branwen wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "I've noticed over the past few weeks that Urth.net emails from\nYahoo.com users (such as Marc Aramini) seem to be regularly dropping\ninto my spam folder despite me always marking them non-spam. Has\nanyone else been seeing this behavior?\n\n--\ngwern\nhttp://www.gwern.net\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<65D3842D-4DA6-4F21-A1C6-880183EF709B@gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "António Pedro Marques", "address": "entonio at gmail.com" }, "date": "2014-04-28T23:28:16+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Meta: messages being dropped into Gmail spam folder", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I'm not sure that's enough - I have a filter to catch all Urth messages and send them to a Wolfe folder, and still it has happened a lot that I'm half way through one of Marc's messages and it disappears! It's those liberals, I tell you.\n\nWelcome!\n\nNo dia 28/04/2014, ?s 18:52, Dimitar Nikolov escreveu:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Long time lurker here. I've noticed this too, and unfortunately it looks like gmail's spam filter has become more aggressive, since this has been happening with other messages for me. The solution is to set up a filter from Settings > Filters, such that messages sent to urth at lists.urth.net are never marked as spam.\n\nHope this helps.\n\nBest,\nDimitar\n\n\nOn Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Fred Kiesche wrote:\nI've been getting that as well. Several times gmail has asked me if I want to forward the message to their crack team to help \"improve\" things, but the e-mails keep getting dumped in there. Grrrr!!!\n\n\nOn Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 1:26 PM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:\nYes. It's quite irritating, as Marc's posts are always worth reading!\n\n\nOn Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 10:22 AM, Gwern Branwen wrote:\nI've noticed over the past few weeks that Urth.net emails from\nYahoo.com users (such as Marc Aramini) seem to be regularly dropping\ninto my spam folder despite me always marking them non-spam. Has\nanyone else been seeing this behavior?\n\n--\ngwern\nhttp://www.gwern.net\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<9036160E-5623-4BDA-B71C-E4FA09F8CB7B@yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Marc Aramini", "address": "marcaramini at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2014-04-29T00:29:38+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Meta: messages being dropped into Gmail spam folder", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "It's weird a lot of the urth messages go to spam on me so I just check the archive frequently. Last week it said all the bounces were going to deactivate my account from the urth list unless I reactivated it manually, which I did. Very bizarre. Maybe I should make an urth posting email from a new hosting email address\n\nSent from my iPhone" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Apr 28, 2014, at 10:22 AM, Gwern Branwen wrote:\nI've noticed over the past few weeks that Urth.net emails from\nYahoo.com users (such as Marc Aramini) seem to be regularly dropping\ninto my spam folder despite me always marking them non-spam. Has\nanyone else been seeing this behavior?\n\n-- \ngwern\nhttp://www.gwern.net\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Dan Schmidt", "address": "dfan at hamesucken.com" }, "date": "2014-04-29T00:58:06+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Meta: messages being dropped into Gmail spam folder", "in_reply_to": "<9036160E-5623-4BDA-B71C-E4FA09F8CB7B@yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "This has been happening to me with multiple mailing lists, all through\nYahoo. I'm no expert but I think that this post about Yahoo's recent\nchanges may be relevant: http://rjbs.manxome.org/rubric/entry/2044" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 8:29 PM, Marc Aramini wrote:\nIt's weird a lot of the urth messages go to spam on me so I just check the\narchive frequently. Last week it said all the bounces were going to\ndeactivate my account from the urth list unless I reactivated it manually,\nwhich I did. Very bizarre. Maybe I should make an urth posting email from\na new hosting email address\n\nSent from my iPhone\n\nOn Apr 28, 2014, at 10:22 AM, Gwern Branwen wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "I've noticed over the past few weeks that Urth.net emails from\nYahoo.com users (such as Marc Aramini) seem to be regularly dropping\ninto my spam folder despite me always marking them non-spam. Has\nanyone else been seeing this behavior?\n\n--\ngwern\nhttp://www.gwern.net\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Antonin Scriabin", "address": "kierkegaurdian at gmail.com" }, "date": "2014-04-29T00:59:47+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Meta: messages being dropped into Gmail spam folder", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Now that you mention it, this has been happening with some threads on the\nPynchon list serve too. Weird." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Apr 28, 2014 8:58 PM, \"Dan Schmidt\" wrote:\nThis has been happening to me with multiple mailing lists, all through\nYahoo. I'm no expert but I think that this post about Yahoo's recent\nchanges may be relevant: http://rjbs.manxome.org/rubric/entry/2044\n\n\nOn Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 8:29 PM, Marc Aramini wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "It's weird a lot of the urth messages go to spam on me so I just check\nthe archive frequently. Last week it said all the bounces were going to\ndeactivate my account from the urth list unless I reactivated it manually,\nwhich I did. Very bizarre. Maybe I should make an urth posting email from\na new hosting email address\n\nSent from my iPhone\n\nOn Apr 28, 2014, at 10:22 AM, Gwern Branwen wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "I've noticed over the past few weeks that Urth.net emails from\nYahoo.com users (such as Marc Aramini) seem to be regularly dropping\ninto my spam folder despite me always marking them non-spam. Has\nanyone else been seeing this behavior?\n\n--\ngwern\nhttp://www.gwern.net\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Fred Kiesche", "address": "godelescherbach at gmail.com" }, "date": "2014-04-29T10:43:37+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Meta: messages being dropped into Gmail spam folder", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "There's a Pynchon list server? I should have expected one!" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Antonin Scriabin\nwrote:\nNow that you mention it, this has been happening with some threads on the\nPynchon list serve too. Weird.\nOn Apr 28, 2014 8:58 PM, \"Dan Schmidt\" wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "This has been happening to me with multiple mailing lists, all through\nYahoo. I'm no expert but I think that this post about Yahoo's recent\nchanges may be relevant: http://rjbs.manxome.org/rubric/entry/2044\n\n\nOn Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 8:29 PM, Marc Aramini wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "It's weird a lot of the urth messages go to spam on me so I just check\nthe archive frequently. Last week it said all the bounces were going to\ndeactivate my account from the urth list unless I reactivated it manually,\nwhich I did. Very bizarre. Maybe I should make an urth posting email from\na new hosting email address\n\nSent from my iPhone\n\nOn Apr 28, 2014, at 10:22 AM, Gwern Branwen wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "I've noticed over the past few weeks that Urth.net emails from\nYahoo.com users (such as Marc Aramini) seem to be regularly dropping\ninto my spam folder despite me always marking them non-spam. Has\nanyone else been seeing this behavior?\n\n--\ngwern\nhttp://www.gwern.net\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Antonin Scriabin", "address": "kierkegaurdian at gmail.com" }, "date": "2014-04-29T11:37:28+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Meta: messages being dropped into Gmail spam folder", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "You should join! Fair warning, there are a TON of posts everyday." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Apr 29, 2014 6:43 AM, \"Fred Kiesche\" wrote:\nThere's a Pynchon list server? I should have expected one!\n\n\nOn Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Antonin Scriabin <\nkierkegaurdian at gmail.com> wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Now that you mention it, this has been happening with some threads on the\nPynchon list serve too. Weird.\n On Apr 28, 2014 8:58 PM, \"Dan Schmidt\" wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "This has been happening to me with multiple mailing lists, all through\nYahoo. I'm no expert but I think that this post about Yahoo's recent\nchanges may be relevant: http://rjbs.manxome.org/rubric/entry/2044\n\n\nOn Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 8:29 PM, Marc Aramini wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "It's weird a lot of the urth messages go to spam on me so I just check\nthe archive frequently. Last week it said all the bounces were going to\ndeactivate my account from the urth list unless I reactivated it manually,\nwhich I did. Very bizarre. Maybe I should make an urth posting email from\na new hosting email address\n\nSent from my iPhone\n\nOn Apr 28, 2014, at 10:22 AM, Gwern Branwen wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 5, "text": "I've noticed over the past few weeks that Urth.net emails from\nYahoo.com users (such as Marc Aramini) seem to be regularly dropping\ninto my spam folder despite me always marking them non-spam. Has\nanyone else been seeing this behavior?\n\n--\ngwern\nhttp://www.gwern.net\n_______________________________________________\nUrth Mailing List" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Marc Aramini", "address": "marcaramini at gmail.com" }, "date": "2014-04-30T16:47:08+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Meta: messages being dropped into Gmail spam folder", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Kind of surprised the Pynchon list is so populated and busy, though it\nseems more like the discussions there, when I just peeped, are more \"off\ntopic\" quite a bit, to literature and cultural phenomena in general. (\nPynchon's little ditties and songs kind of get on my nerves. Never had\npatience for musicals outside of Fiddler on the Roof.)\n\nI hope in 50 years Wolfe has a real place in the academic pantheon." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 4:37 AM, Antonin Scriabin\nwrote:\nYou should join! Fair warning, there are a TON of posts everyday.\nOn Apr 29, 2014 6:43 AM, \"Fred Kiesche\" wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "There's a Pynchon list server? I should have expected one!\n\n\nOn Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Antonin Scriabin <\nkierkegaurdian at gmail.com> wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "Now that you mention it, this has been happening with some threads on\nthe Pynchon list serve too. Weird.\n On Apr 28, 2014 8:58 PM, \"Dan Schmidt\" wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "This has been happening to me with multiple mailing lists, all through\nYahoo. I'm no expert but I think that this post about Yahoo's recent\nchanges may be relevant: http://rjbs.manxome.org/rubric/entry/2044\n\n\nOn Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 8:29 PM, Marc Aramini wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 5, "text": "It's weird a lot of the urth messages go to spam on me so I just check\nthe archive frequently. Last week it said all the bounces were going to\ndeactivate my account from the urth list unless I reactivated it manually,\nwhich I did. Very bizarre. Maybe I should make an urth posting email from\na new hosting email address\n\nSent from my iPhone\n\nOn Apr 28, 2014, at 10:22 AM, Gwern Branwen wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 6, "text": "I've noticed over the past few weeks that Urth.net emails from\nYahoo.com users (such as Marc Aramini) seem to be regularly dropping\ninto my spam folder despite me always marking them non-spam. Has\nanyone else been seeing this behavior?\n\n--\ngwern\nhttp://www.gwern.net\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Antonin Scriabin", "address": "kierkegaurdian at gmail.com" }, "date": "2014-04-30T16:55:22+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Meta: messages being dropped into Gmail spam folder", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "\"literature and cultural phenomena in general\"\n\nThis is the case for sure. About a third of the content there is\nPynchon-specific, but then, he doesn't come out with a new novel all that\noften." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Marc Aramini wrote:\nKind of surprised the Pynchon list is so populated and busy, though it\nseems more like the discussions there, when I just peeped, are more \"off\ntopic\" quite a bit, to literature and cultural phenomena in general. (\nPynchon's little ditties and songs kind of get on my nerves. Never had\npatience for musicals outside of Fiddler on the Roof.)\n\nI hope in 50 years Wolfe has a real place in the academic pantheon.\n\n\nOn Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 4:37 AM, Antonin Scriabin <\nkierkegaurdian at gmail.com> wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "You should join! Fair warning, there are a TON of posts everyday.\nOn Apr 29, 2014 6:43 AM, \"Fred Kiesche\" \nwrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "There's a Pynchon list server? I should have expected one!\n\n\nOn Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Antonin Scriabin <\nkierkegaurdian at gmail.com> wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "Now that you mention it, this has been happening with some threads on\nthe Pynchon list serve too. Weird.\n On Apr 28, 2014 8:58 PM, \"Dan Schmidt\" wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 5, "text": "This has been happening to me with multiple mailing lists, all through\nYahoo. I'm no expert but I think that this post about Yahoo's recent\nchanges may be relevant: http://rjbs.manxome.org/rubric/entry/2044\n\n\nOn Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 8:29 PM, Marc Aramini wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 6, "text": "It's weird a lot of the urth messages go to spam on me so I just\ncheck the archive frequently. Last week it said all the bounces were going\nto deactivate my account from the urth list unless I reactivated it\nmanually, which I did. Very bizarre. Maybe I should make an urth posting\nemail from a new hosting email address\n\nSent from my iPhone\n\nOn Apr 28, 2014, at 10:22 AM, Gwern Branwen wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 7, "text": "I've noticed over the past few weeks that Urth.net emails from\nYahoo.com users (such as Marc Aramini) seem to be regularly dropping\ninto my spam folder despite me always marking them non-spam. Has\nanyone else been seeing this behavior?\n\n--\ngwern\nhttp://www.gwern.net\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Marc Aramini", "address": "marcaramini at gmail.com" }, "date": "2014-04-30T16:55:49+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Meta: messages being dropped into Gmail spam folder", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I think I am going to unsubscribe my yahoo account ... but fear not. I am\nwith you always, to the very end of the age." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Marc Aramini wrote:\nKind of surprised the Pynchon list is so populated and busy, though it\nseems more like the discussions there, when I just peeped, are more \"off\ntopic\" quite a bit, to literature and cultural phenomena in general. (\nPynchon's little ditties and songs kind of get on my nerves. Never had\npatience for musicals outside of Fiddler on the Roof.)\n\nI hope in 50 years Wolfe has a real place in the academic pantheon.\n\n\nOn Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 4:37 AM, Antonin Scriabin <\nkierkegaurdian at gmail.com> wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "You should join! Fair warning, there are a TON of posts everyday.\nOn Apr 29, 2014 6:43 AM, \"Fred Kiesche\" \nwrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "There's a Pynchon list server? I should have expected one!\n\n\nOn Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Antonin Scriabin <\nkierkegaurdian at gmail.com> wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "Now that you mention it, this has been happening with some threads on\nthe Pynchon list serve too. Weird.\n On Apr 28, 2014 8:58 PM, \"Dan Schmidt\" wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 5, "text": "This has been happening to me with multiple mailing lists, all through\nYahoo. I'm no expert but I think that this post about Yahoo's recent\nchanges may be relevant: http://rjbs.manxome.org/rubric/entry/2044\n\n\nOn Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 8:29 PM, Marc Aramini wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 6, "text": "It's weird a lot of the urth messages go to spam on me so I just\ncheck the archive frequently. Last week it said all the bounces were going\nto deactivate my account from the urth list unless I reactivated it\nmanually, which I did. Very bizarre. Maybe I should make an urth posting\nemail from a new hosting email address\n\nSent from my iPhone\n\nOn Apr 28, 2014, at 10:22 AM, Gwern Branwen wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 7, "text": "I've noticed over the past few weeks that Urth.net emails from\nYahoo.com users (such as Marc Aramini) seem to be regularly dropping\ninto my spam folder despite me always marking them non-spam. Has\nanyone else been seeing this behavior?\n\n--\ngwern\nhttp://www.gwern.net\n_______________________________________________" } ] } ] }