{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/6538", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 6538, "subject": "Urth Digest, Vol 116, Issue 28", "messages": 3, "voices": 3, "first": "2014-04-29T01:57:33+00:00", "last": "2014-04-30T08:48:56+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Brian Doherty", "address": "brianmdoherty at gmail.com" }, "date": "2014-04-29T01:57:33+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Urth Digest, Vol 116, Issue 28", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "As a book author, tho never fiction and never with Tor, that generally\nmeans that the contracted work has been turned in and the publisher\nhas agreed, yes, we will publish this. It is likely the beginning of\nthe editorial process, though. I'd guess publication is likely still a\nyear away---sometime Spring 2015. This could all be wrong. Trad\npublishing is SLOW.\n\nWith my last book I was absolutely assured that the ABSOLUTE MINIMUM\nmy major NY house could turn an absolutely finished ms---one ready to\nbe formatted and printed, already completely read edited and\nproofread---into a physical object in stores was four months. (And\nthis was nonfiction essentially about a constantly changing ongoing\nnews story where weeks were of the essence.) And that was when\neverything about the editorial process was done. Basically, if we\ndon't already see it in a Tor catalog, it's probably 10 months to a\nyear away.\n\nBrian Doherty" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Apr 28, 2014, at 1:32 AM, Marc Aramini wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Gene indicated \"A Borrowed Man\" has been accepted by Tor and he is working on a probably related something called \"The Labyrinth in the Library.\"" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Great news!\n\nDoes \"accepted\" mean that the editing is finished or is that process still ongoing? (Sorry, I'm not up on the specifics of book publishing lingo.)\n\nAny idea of how soon should we expect its release date to be scheduled?\n\nThanks,\nEd\nhttp://www.wolfewiki.com/pmwiki/pmwiki.php?n=Profiles.DarthEd" } ] }, { "message_id": "<535F0865.8090303@verizon.net>", "from": { "name": "David Stockhoff", "address": "dstockhoff at verizon.net" }, "date": "2014-04-29T02:03:17+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Urth Digest, Vol 116, Issue 28", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "If it's a standard 300-pager, that's about right.\n\nBeing on the publications side myself, I can add that four months is \nonly possible with a perfect manuscript. Since there is no such thing, \nsix months is a much more typical minimum." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 4/28/2014 9:57 PM, Brian Doherty wrote:\nAs a book author, tho never fiction and never with Tor, that generally\nmeans that the contracted work has been turned in and the publisher\nhas agreed, yes, we will publish this. It is likely the beginning of\nthe editorial process, though. I'd guess publication is likely still a\nyear away---sometime Spring 2015. This could all be wrong. Trad\npublishing is SLOW.\n\nWith my last book I was absolutely assured that the ABSOLUTE MINIMUM\nmy major NY house could turn an absolutely finished ms---one ready to\nbe formatted and printed, already completely read edited and\nproofread---into a physical object in stores was four months. (And\nthis was nonfiction essentially about a constantly changing ongoing\nnews story where weeks were of the essence.) And that was when\neverything about the editorial process was done. Basically, if we\ndon't already see it in a Tor catalog, it's probably 10 months to a\nyear away.\n\nBrian Doherty" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "On Apr 28, 2014, at 1:32 AM, Marc Aramini wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "Gene indicated \"A Borrowed Man\" has been accepted by Tor and he is working on a probably related something called \"The Labyrinth in the Library.\"" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Great news!\n\nDoes \"accepted\" mean that the editing is finished or is that process still ongoing? (Sorry, I'm not up on the specifics of book publishing lingo.)\n\nAny idea of how soon should we expect its release date to be scheduled?\n\nThanks,\nEd\nhttp://www.wolfewiki.com/pmwiki/pmwiki.php?n=Profiles.DarthEd" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Andreas Johansson", "address": "andreas.havok at gmail.com" }, "date": "2014-04-30T08:48:56+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Urth Digest, Vol 116, Issue 28", "in_reply_to": "<535F0865.8090303@verizon.net>", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "RE: posts from the list disappearing. I only subscribe to the Urth Digest,\nand these arrive in my \"Kampanj\" folder of my gmail account (campaign),\nalong with store discounts, newsletters and such. Why it has chosen that\nfolder I have no idea; other mail lists I subscribe to wind up in the Forum\nfolder, and those have been dropping out into the spam folder. The\nstructure of these internet beasts can be hazy and arbitrary, to say the\nleast...\n\nBtw: \"Labyrinth in the Library\" as the title for a new Wolfe book? Sounds\nlike it could be a thesis on J.L. Borges...\n\n\n2014-04-29 2:59 GMT+02:00 :" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Send Urth mailing list submissions to\n urth at lists.urth.net\n\nTo subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit\n http://lists.urth.net/listinfo.cgi/urth-urth.net\nor, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to\n urth-request at lists.urth.net\n\nYou can reach the person managing the list at\n urth-owner at lists.urth.net\n\nWhen replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific\nthan \"Re: Contents of Urth digest...\"\n\n\nToday's Topics:\n\n 1. Re: Borrowed Man accepted and next project (Darth Ed)\n 2. Re: Meta: messages being dropped into Gmail spam folder\n (Ant?nio Pedro Marques)\n 3. Re: Meta: messages being dropped into Gmail spam folder\n (Marc Aramini)\n 4. Re: Meta: messages being dropped into Gmail spam folder\n (Dan Schmidt)\n 5. Re: Meta: messages being dropped into Gmail spam folder\n (Antonin Scriabin)\n\n\n----------------------------------------------------------------------\n\nMessage: 1\nDate: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 19:10:45 -0400\nFrom: Darth Ed \nTo: The Urth Mailing List \nSubject: Re: (urth) Borrowed Man accepted and next project\nMessage-ID: <52A2CFCD-578D-4C05-9251-2908DB2BFD97 at gmail.com>\nContent-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii\n\nOn Apr 28, 2014, at 1:32 AM, Marc Aramini wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Gene indicated \"A Borrowed Man\" has been accepted by Tor and he is\nworking on a probably related something called \"The Labyrinth in the\nLibrary.\"" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Great news!\n\nDoes \"accepted\" mean that the editing is finished or is that process still\nongoing? (Sorry, I'm not up on the specifics of book publishing lingo.)\n\nAny idea of how soon should we expect its release date to be scheduled?\n\nThanks,\nEd\nhttp://www.wolfewiki.com/pmwiki/pmwiki.php?n=Profiles.DarthEd\n\n\n\n------------------------------\n\nMessage: 2\nDate: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 00:28:16 +0100\nFrom: Ant?nio Pedro Marques \nTo: The Urth Mailing List \nSubject: Re: (urth) Meta: messages being dropped into Gmail spam\n folder\nMessage-ID: <65D3842D-4DA6-4F21-A1C6-880183EF709B at gmail.com>\nContent-Type: text/plain; charset=\"utf-8\"\n\nI'm not sure that's enough - I have a filter to catch all Urth messages\nand send them to a Wolfe folder, and still it has happened a lot that I'm\nhalf way through one of Marc's messages and it disappears! It's those\nliberals, I tell you.\n\nWelcome!\n\nNo dia 28/04/2014, ?s 18:52, Dimitar Nikolov \nescreveu:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Long time lurker here. I've noticed this too, and unfortunately it looks\nlike gmail's spam filter has become more aggressive, since this has been\nhappening with other messages for me. The solution is to set up a filter\nfrom Settings > Filters, such that messages sent to urth at lists.urth.netare never marked as spam.\n\nHope this helps.\n\nBest,\nDimitar\n\n\nOn Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Fred Kiesche \nwrote:\nI've been getting that as well. Several times gmail has asked me if I\nwant to forward the message to their crack team to help \"improve\" things,\nbut the e-mails keep getting dumped in there. Grrrr!!!\n\n\nOn Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 1:26 PM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes \nwrote:\nYes. It's quite irritating, as Marc's posts are always worth reading!\n\n\nOn Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 10:22 AM, Gwern Branwen wrote:\nI've noticed over the past few weeks that Urth.net emails from\nYahoo.com users (such as Marc Aramini) seem to be regularly dropping\ninto my spam folder despite me always marking them non-spam. Has\nanyone else been seeing this behavior?\n\n--\ngwern\nhttp://www.gwern.net\n_______________________________________________\nUrth Mailing List\nTo post, write urth at urth.net\nSubscription/information: http://www.urth.net\n\n\n\n--\nDan'l Danehy-Oakes\n\n_______________________________________________\nUrth Mailing List\nTo post, write urth at urth.net\nSubscription/information: http://www.urth.net\n\n\n\n--\nF.P. Kiesche III\n\nHusband, Father, Good Cook. Reader. Keeper of abandoned dogs. Catholic\nLiberal Conservative Militarist. Does not fit into a neat box or category." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "\"Ah Mr. Gibbon, another damned, fat, square book. Always, scribble,\nscribble, scribble, eh?\" (The Duke of Gloucester, on being presented with\nVolume 2 of The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire.) Blogging at Bernal\nAlpha. On Twitter as @FredKiesche" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "_______________________________________________\nUrth Mailing List\nTo post, write urth at urth.net\nSubscription/information: http://www.urth.net\n\n_______________________________________________\nUrth Mailing List\nTo post, write urth at urth.net\nSubscription/information: http://www.urth.net\n-------------- next part --------------\nAn HTML attachment was scrubbed..." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "URL: <\nhttp://lists.urth.net/pipermail/urth-urth.net/attachments/20140429/8fffce04/attachment-0001.htm" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "------------------------------\n\nMessage: 3\nDate: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 17:29:38 -0700\nFrom: Marc Aramini \nTo: The Urth Mailing List \nSubject: Re: (urth) Meta: messages being dropped into Gmail spam\n folder\nMessage-ID: <9036160E-5623-4BDA-B71C-E4FA09F8CB7B at yahoo.com>\nContent-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii\n\nIt's weird a lot of the urth messages go to spam on me so I just check the\narchive frequently. Last week it said all the bounces were going to\ndeactivate my account from the urth list unless I reactivated it manually,\nwhich I did. Very bizarre. Maybe I should make an urth posting email from\na new hosting email address\n\nSent from my iPhone\n\nOn Apr 28, 2014, at 10:22 AM, Gwern Branwen wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "I've noticed over the past few weeks that Urth.net emails from\nYahoo.com users (such as Marc Aramini) seem to be regularly dropping\ninto my spam folder despite me always marking them non-spam. Has\nanyone else been seeing this behavior?\n\n--\ngwern\nhttp://www.gwern.net\n_______________________________________________" } ] } ] }