# Urth Digest, Vol 116, Issue 28 *The Urth list — 3 messages, 3 voices, 29 Apr 2014* > Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright > in each message remains with the person who wrote it. > Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original > archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than > retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact. --- ### Brian Doherty *29 Apr 2014, 01:57* As a book author, tho never fiction and never with Tor, that generally means that the contracted work has been turned in and the publisher has agreed, yes, we will publish this. It is likely the beginning of the editorial process, though. I'd guess publication is likely still a year away---sometime Spring 2015. This could all be wrong. Trad publishing is SLOW. With my last book I was absolutely assured that the ABSOLUTE MINIMUM my major NY house could turn an absolutely finished ms---one ready to be formatted and printed, already completely read edited and proofread---into a physical object in stores was four months. (And this was nonfiction essentially about a constantly changing ongoing news story where weeks were of the essence.) And that was when everything about the editorial process was done. Basically, if we don't already see it in a Tor catalog, it's probably 10 months to a year away. Brian Doherty > On Apr 28, 2014, at 1:32 AM, Marc Aramini wrote: >> Gene indicated "A Borrowed Man" has been accepted by Tor and he is working on a probably related something called "The Labyrinth in the Library." > Great news! > > Does "accepted" mean that the editing is finished or is that process still ongoing? (Sorry, I'm not up on the specifics of book publishing lingo.) > > Any idea of how soon should we expect its release date to be scheduled? > > Thanks, > Ed > http://www.wolfewiki.com/pmwiki/pmwiki.php?n=Profiles.DarthEd --- ### David Stockhoff *29 Apr 2014, 02:03 · in reply to Brian Doherty* If it's a standard 300-pager, that's about right. Being on the publications side myself, I can add that four months is only possible with a perfect manuscript. Since there is no such thing, six months is a much more typical minimum. > On 4/28/2014 9:57 PM, Brian Doherty wrote: > As a book author, tho never fiction and never with Tor, that generally > means that the contracted work has been turned in and the publisher > has agreed, yes, we will publish this. It is likely the beginning of > the editorial process, though. I'd guess publication is likely still a > year away---sometime Spring 2015. This could all be wrong. Trad > publishing is SLOW. > > With my last book I was absolutely assured that the ABSOLUTE MINIMUM > my major NY house could turn an absolutely finished ms---one ready to > be formatted and printed, already completely read edited and > proofread---into a physical object in stores was four months. (And > this was nonfiction essentially about a constantly changing ongoing > news story where weeks were of the essence.) And that was when > everything about the editorial process was done. Basically, if we > don't already see it in a Tor catalog, it's probably 10 months to a > year away. > > Brian Doherty >> On Apr 28, 2014, at 1:32 AM, Marc Aramini wrote: >>> Gene indicated "A Borrowed Man" has been accepted by Tor and he is working on a probably related something called "The Labyrinth in the Library." >> Great news! >> >> Does "accepted" mean that the editing is finished or is that process still ongoing? (Sorry, I'm not up on the specifics of book publishing lingo.) >> >> Any idea of how soon should we expect its release date to be scheduled? >> >> Thanks, >> Ed >> http://www.wolfewiki.com/pmwiki/pmwiki.php?n=Profiles.DarthEd > _______________________________________________ --- ### Andreas Johansson *30 Apr 2014, 08:48 · follows David Stockhoff* RE: posts from the list disappearing. I only subscribe to the Urth Digest, and these arrive in my "Kampanj" folder of my gmail account (campaign), along with store discounts, newsletters and such. Why it has chosen that folder I have no idea; other mail lists I subscribe to wind up in the Forum folder, and those have been dropping out into the spam folder. The structure of these internet beasts can be hazy and arbitrary, to say the least... Btw: "Labyrinth in the Library" as the title for a new Wolfe book? Sounds like it could be a thesis on J.L. Borges... 2014-04-29 2:59 GMT+02:00 : > Send Urth mailing list submissions to > urth at lists.urth.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.urth.net/listinfo.cgi/urth-urth.net > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > urth-request at lists.urth.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > urth-owner at lists.urth.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Urth digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Borrowed Man accepted and next project (Darth Ed) > 2. Re: Meta: messages being dropped into Gmail spam folder > (Ant?nio Pedro Marques) > 3. Re: Meta: messages being dropped into Gmail spam folder > (Marc Aramini) > 4. Re: Meta: messages being dropped into Gmail spam folder > (Dan Schmidt) > 5. Re: Meta: messages being dropped into Gmail spam folder > (Antonin Scriabin) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 19:10:45 -0400 > From: Darth Ed > To: The Urth Mailing List > Subject: Re: (urth) Borrowed Man accepted and next project > Message-ID: <52A2CFCD-578D-4C05-9251-2908DB2BFD97 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > On Apr 28, 2014, at 1:32 AM, Marc Aramini wrote: >> Gene indicated "A Borrowed Man" has been accepted by Tor and he is >> working on a probably related something called "The Labyrinth in the >> Library." > Great news! > > Does "accepted" mean that the editing is finished or is that process still > ongoing? (Sorry, I'm not up on the specifics of book publishing lingo.) > > Any idea of how soon should we expect its release date to be scheduled? > > Thanks, > Ed > http://www.wolfewiki.com/pmwiki/pmwiki.php?n=Profiles.DarthEd > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 00:28:16 +0100 > From: Ant?nio Pedro Marques > To: The Urth Mailing List > Subject: Re: (urth) Meta: messages being dropped into Gmail spam > folder > Message-ID: <65D3842D-4DA6-4F21-A1C6-880183EF709B at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I'm not sure that's enough - I have a filter to catch all Urth messages > and send them to a Wolfe folder, and still it has happened a lot that I'm > half way through one of Marc's messages and it disappears! It's those > liberals, I tell you. > > Welcome! > > No dia 28/04/2014, ?s 18:52, Dimitar Nikolov > escreveu: >> Long time lurker here. I've noticed this too, and unfortunately it looks >> like gmail's spam filter has become more aggressive, since this has been >> happening with other messages for me. The solution is to set up a filter >> from Settings > Filters, such that messages sent to urth at lists.urth.netare never marked as spam. >> >> Hope this helps. >> >> Best, >> Dimitar >> >> >> On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Fred Kiesche >> wrote: >> I've been getting that as well. Several times gmail has asked me if I >> want to forward the message to their crack team to help "improve" things, >> but the e-mails keep getting dumped in there. Grrrr!!! >> >> >> On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 1:26 PM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes >> wrote: >> Yes. It's quite irritating, as Marc's posts are always worth reading! >> >> >> On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 10:22 AM, Gwern Branwen wrote: >> I've noticed over the past few weeks that Urth.net emails from >> Yahoo.com users (such as Marc Aramini) seem to be regularly dropping >> into my spam folder despite me always marking them non-spam. Has >> anyone else been seeing this behavior? >> >> -- >> gwern >> http://www.gwern.net >> _______________________________________________ >> Urth Mailing List >> To post, write urth at urth.net >> Subscription/information: http://www.urth.net >> >> >> >> -- >> Dan'l Danehy-Oakes >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Urth Mailing List >> To post, write urth at urth.net >> Subscription/information: http://www.urth.net >> >> >> >> -- >> F.P. Kiesche III >> >> Husband, Father, Good Cook. Reader. Keeper of abandoned dogs. Catholic >> Liberal Conservative Militarist. Does not fit into a neat box or category. > "Ah Mr. Gibbon, another damned, fat, square book. Always, scribble, > scribble, scribble, eh?" (The Duke of Gloucester, on being presented with > Volume 2 of The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire.) Blogging at Bernal > Alpha. On Twitter as @FredKiesche >> _______________________________________________ >> Urth Mailing List >> To post, write urth at urth.net >> Subscription/information: http://www.urth.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Urth Mailing List >> To post, write urth at urth.net >> Subscription/information: http://www.urth.net >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.urth.net/pipermail/urth-urth.net/attachments/20140429/8fffce04/attachment-0001.htm > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 17:29:38 -0700 > From: Marc Aramini > To: The Urth Mailing List > Subject: Re: (urth) Meta: messages being dropped into Gmail spam > folder > Message-ID: <9036160E-5623-4BDA-B71C-E4FA09F8CB7B at yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > It's weird a lot of the urth messages go to spam on me so I just check the > archive frequently. Last week it said all the bounces were going to > deactivate my account from the urth list unless I reactivated it manually, > which I did. Very bizarre. Maybe I should make an urth posting email from > a new hosting email address > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 28, 2014, at 10:22 AM, Gwern Branwen wrote: >> I've noticed over the past few weeks that Urth.net emails from >> Yahoo.com users (such as Marc Aramini) seem to be regularly dropping >> into my spam folder despite me always marking them non-spam. Has >> anyone else been seeing this behavior? >> >> -- >> gwern >> http://www.gwern.net >> _______________________________________________ ---