{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/6557", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 6557, "subject": "King", "messages": 10, "voices": 7, "first": "2014-05-29T10:02:25+00:00", "last": "2014-05-29T18:06:17+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "<17FC030A-1099-4323-8B52-A575E14DCFB7@gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "António Pedro Marques", "address": "entonio at gmail.com" }, "date": "2014-05-29T10:02:25+00:00", "subject": "(urth) King", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Gene Wolfe mentions King a number of times. Some of those are clearly Stephen King. SK is usually taken as an entertainer rather than a Writer (not by me, since my knowledge on the matter is nil). Has Wolfe's endorsement been analyzed? (F.i., people will discuss his appreciation of Lafferty.)" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Piotr Szczęsny", "address": "neternalz at gmail.com" }, "date": "2014-05-29T10:26:53+00:00", "subject": "(urth) King", "in_reply_to": "<17FC030A-1099-4323-8B52-A575E14DCFB7@gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I only know one Stephen King in Wolfe works. In \"From the desk of Gilmer C.\nMerton\" where he is clearly mentioned as horror story writer - Steven E.\nPresley.\n\n\n2014-05-29 12:02 GMT+02:00 Ant?nio Pedro Marques :" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Gene Wolfe mentions King a number of times. Some of those are clearly\nStephen King. SK is usually taken as an entertainer rather than a Writer\n(not by me, since my knowledge on the matter is nil). Has Wolfe's\nendorsement been analyzed? (F.i., people will discuss his appreciation of\nLafferty.)\n\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Daniel Otto Jack Petersen", "address": "danielottojackpetersen at gmail.com" }, "date": "2014-05-29T11:45:44+00:00", "subject": "(urth) King", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I just saw him mention King for the first time the other day (at least I\nthink he meant* Stephen* King). It's in *Castle of Days*, a very clever\nlittle self-interview piece called 'Lone Wolfe' (from 1983 it says).\n Here's the relevant excerpt:\n\n*Q: You have the reputation of being one of the nicest guys in the field.\n We both know you're a hyena on its hind legs. How have you fooled\neveryone?*\n*A: By keeping my mouth shut when I read garbage.*\n*Q: Have you found that difficult?*\n*A: No. I'm constantly running into people who've read bad books clean to\nthe end. I admire them more than I can say, but I can't do that - when I\nget shit in my eyes I close them fast and cry.*\n*Q: You also throw the book at the wall and scare the dog.*\n*A: Yeah. And then when somebody asks me how I liked the book, I say I\nhaven't read it, because it's really not fair for me to judge without\nfinishing the book. Maybe the last nine-tenths is marvelous. But I doubt\nit.*\n*Q: Leaving aside the people you've already named [earlier he'd said he'd\nread a lot of Lafferty, Le Guin, Knight, Wilhelm, and Budrys and also\nthought Little, Big was 'an education in modern fantasy all by itself'],\nwho doesn't make you toss the book at the wall?*\n*A: Lord Dunsany, Chesterton--*\n*Q: I know, Dickens. Let's keep the dead out of this.*\n*A: Ellison, Leiber, King, Singer, lots of good people.*\n\nThen 'they' change the subject. I assume he's talking about SK. If so,\nthat's a fairly ringing endorsement from Wolfe - SK's fiction is not\ngarbage and thus doesn't merit being thrown against the wall!\n\nDoes anyone know who Singer could be?\n\n-DOJP" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 11:26 AM, Piotr Szcz?sny \nwrote:\nI only know one Stephen King in Wolfe works. In \"From the desk of Gilmer\nC. Merton\" where he is clearly mentioned as horror story writer - Steven\nE. Presley.\n\n\n2014-05-29 12:02 GMT+02:00 Ant?nio Pedro Marques :\n\nGene Wolfe mentions King a number of times. Some of those are clearly\nStephen King. SK is usually taken as an entertainer rather than a Writer\n(not by me, since my knowledge on the matter is nil). Has Wolfe's\nendorsement been analyzed? (F.i., people will discuss his appreciation of\nLafferty.)" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Piotr Szczęsny", "address": "neternalz at gmail.com" }, "date": "2014-05-29T12:34:13+00:00", "subject": "(urth) King", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I think he means Isaac Singer, author of \"Shadows on the hudson\" and \"The\nMagician of Lublin\". Also I checked - Singer was still alive in 1983.\n\n\n2014-05-29 13:45 GMT+02:00 Daniel Otto Jack Petersen <\ndanielottojackpetersen at gmail.com>:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I just saw him mention King for the first time the other day (at least I\nthink he meant* Stephen* King). It's in *Castle of Days*, a very clever\nlittle self-interview piece called 'Lone Wolfe' (from 1983 it says).\n Here's the relevant excerpt:\n\n*Q: You have the reputation of being one of the nicest guys in the field.\n We both know you're a hyena on its hind legs. How have you fooled\neveryone?*\n*A: By keeping my mouth shut when I read garbage.*\n*Q: Have you found that difficult?*\n*A: No. I'm constantly running into people who've read bad books clean to\nthe end. I admire them more than I can say, but I can't do that - when I\nget shit in my eyes I close them fast and cry.*\n*Q: You also throw the book at the wall and scare the dog.*\n*A: Yeah. And then when somebody asks me how I liked the book, I say I\nhaven't read it, because it's really not fair for me to judge without\nfinishing the book. Maybe the last nine-tenths is marvelous. But I doubt\nit.*\n*Q: Leaving aside the people you've already named [earlier he'd said he'd\nread a lot of Lafferty, Le Guin, Knight, Wilhelm, and Budrys and also\nthought Little, Big was 'an education in modern fantasy all by itself'],\nwho doesn't make you toss the book at the wall?*\n*A: Lord Dunsany, Chesterton--*\n*Q: I know, Dickens. Let's keep the dead out of this.*\n*A: Ellison, Leiber, King, Singer, lots of good people.*\n\nThen 'they' change the subject. I assume he's talking about SK. If so,\nthat's a fairly ringing endorsement from Wolfe - SK's fiction is not\ngarbage and thus doesn't merit being thrown against the wall!\n\nDoes anyone know who Singer could be?\n\n-DOJP\n\n\nOn Thu, May 29, 2014 at 11:26 AM, Piotr Szcz?sny wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "I only know one Stephen King in Wolfe works. In \"From the desk of Gilmer\nC. Merton\" where he is clearly mentioned as horror story writer - Steven\nE. Presley.\n\n\n2014-05-29 12:02 GMT+02:00 Ant?nio Pedro Marques :\n\nGene Wolfe mentions King a number of times. Some of those are clearly\nStephen King. SK is usually taken as an entertainer rather than a Writer\n(not by me, since my knowledge on the matter is nil). Has Wolfe's\nendorsement been analyzed? (F.i., people will discuss his appreciation of\nLafferty.)" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Antonin Scriabin", "address": "kierkegaurdian at gmail.com" }, "date": "2014-05-29T12:42:50+00:00", "subject": "(urth) King", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Glad he liked Little, Big. Makes me happy." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On May 29, 2014 8:34 AM, \"Piotr Szcz?sny\" wrote:\nI think he means Isaac Singer, author of \"Shadows on the hudson\" and \"The\nMagician of Lublin\". Also I checked - Singer was still alive in 1983.\n\n\n2014-05-29 13:45 GMT+02:00 Daniel Otto Jack Petersen <\ndanielottojackpetersen at gmail.com>:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "I just saw him mention King for the first time the other day (at least I\nthink he meant* Stephen* King). It's in *Castle of Days*, a very clever\nlittle self-interview piece called 'Lone Wolfe' (from 1983 it says).\n Here's the relevant excerpt:\n\n*Q: You have the reputation of being one of the nicest guys in the field.\n We both know you're a hyena on its hind legs. How have you fooled\neveryone?*\n*A: By keeping my mouth shut when I read garbage.*\n*Q: Have you found that difficult?*\n*A: No. I'm constantly running into people who've read bad books clean\nto the end. I admire them more than I can say, but I can't do that - when\nI get shit in my eyes I close them fast and cry.*\n*Q: You also throw the book at the wall and scare the dog.*\n*A: Yeah. And then when somebody asks me how I liked the book, I say I\nhaven't read it, because it's really not fair for me to judge without\nfinishing the book. Maybe the last nine-tenths is marvelous. But I doubt\nit.*\n*Q: Leaving aside the people you've already named [earlier he'd said he'd\nread a lot of Lafferty, Le Guin, Knight, Wilhelm, and Budrys and also\nthought Little, Big was 'an education in modern fantasy all by itself'],\nwho doesn't make you toss the book at the wall?*\n*A: Lord Dunsany, Chesterton--*\n*Q: I know, Dickens. Let's keep the dead out of this.*\n*A: Ellison, Leiber, King, Singer, lots of good people.*\n\nThen 'they' change the subject. I assume he's talking about SK. If so,\nthat's a fairly ringing endorsement from Wolfe - SK's fiction is not\ngarbage and thus doesn't merit being thrown against the wall!\n\nDoes anyone know who Singer could be?\n\n-DOJP\n\n\nOn Thu, May 29, 2014 at 11:26 AM, Piotr Szcz?sny \nwrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "I only know one Stephen King in Wolfe works. In \"From the desk of Gilmer\nC. Merton\" where he is clearly mentioned as horror story writer - Steven\nE. Presley.\n\n\n2014-05-29 12:02 GMT+02:00 Ant?nio Pedro Marques :\n\nGene Wolfe mentions King a number of times. Some of those are clearly\nStephen King. SK is usually taken as an entertainer rather than a Writer\n(not by me, since my knowledge on the matter is nil). Has Wolfe's\nendorsement been analyzed? (F.i., people will discuss his appreciation of\nLafferty.)" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<537DB001007B64EB@smtpout11.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk>", "from": { "name": "Mo Holkar", "address": "mo at holkar.net" }, "date": "2014-05-29T13:12:31+00:00", "subject": "(urth) King", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Isaac Bashevis Singer, I would guess,\nhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Bashevis_Singer\n\nMo" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "At 12:45 29/05/2014, you wrote:\nA: Ellison, Leiber, King, Singer, lots of good people.\n\nThen 'they' change the subject. — I assume he's \ntalking about SK. — If so, that's a fairly \nringing endorsement from Wolfe - SK's fiction is \nnot garbage and thus doesn't merit being thrown against the wall! ?\n\nDoes anyone know who Singer could be?\n\n-DOJP\n\n\nOn Thu, May 29, 2014 at 11:26 AM, Piotr \nSzcz??sny <neternalz at gmail.com> wrote:\nI only know one Stephen King in Wolfe works. In \n\"From the desk of Gilmer C. Merton\" where he is? \nclearly? mentioned — as horror story writer - Steven E. Presley.\n\n2014-05-29 12:02 GMT+02:00 Ant??nio Pedro \nMarques <entonio at gmail.com>:\n\nGene Wolfe mentions King a number of times. Some \nof those are clearly Stephen King. SK is usually \ntaken as an entertainer rather than a Writer \n(not by me, since my knowledge on the matter is \nnil). Has Wolfe's endorsement been analyzed? \n(F.i., people will discuss his appreciation of Lafferty.)\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "António Pedro Marques", "address": "entonio at gmail.com" }, "date": "2014-05-29T13:35:45+00:00", "subject": "(urth) King", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "No dia 29/05/2014, ?s 12:45, Daniel Otto Jack Petersen escreveu:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Q: Leaving aside the people you've already named [earlier he'd said he'd read a lot of Lafferty, Le Guin, Knight, Wilhelm, and Budrys and also thought Little, Big was 'an education in modern fantasy all by itself'], who doesn't make you toss the book at the wall?\nA: Lord Dunsany, Chesterton--\nQ: I know, Dickens. Let's keep the dead out of this.\nA: Ellison, Leiber, King, Singer, lots of good people.\n\nThen 'they' change the subject. I assume he's talking about SK. If so, that's a fairly ringing endorsement from Wolfe - SK's fiction is not garbage and thus doesn't merit being thrown against the wall! " }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Calling him Presley also seems quite complimentary, since Elvis wasn't called 'the king' for nothing.\nI'm certain I've seen references to SK other than these two, but I haven't any with me at the moment so I can check.\n\nAnd I think there may be another Singer, but I can't recall the name." } ] }, { "message_id": "<538739C9.5000907@verizon.net>", "from": { "name": "David Stockhoff", "address": "dstockhoff at verizon.net" }, "date": "2014-05-29T13:44:41+00:00", "subject": "(urth) King", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Now THAT\"S how to name-check." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 5/29/2014 6:26 AM, Piotr Szcze;sny wrote:\nI only know one Stephen King in Wolfe works. In \"From the desk of \nGilmer C. Merton\" where he is clearly mentioned as horror story \nwriter - Steven E. Presley.\n\n\n2014-05-29 12:02 GMT+02:00 Ant?nio Pedro Marques >:\n\n Gene Wolfe mentions King a number of times. Some of those are\n clearly Stephen King. SK is usually taken as an entertainer rather\n than a Writer (not by me, since my knowledge on the matter is\n nil). Has Wolfe's endorsement been analyzed? (F.i., people will\n discuss his appreciation of Lafferty.)\n\n\n _______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<4c67fa57e1320d32fad27827c6197535.squirrel@webmail.prismnet.com>", "from": { "name": "Jeff Wilson", "address": "jwilson at clueland.com" }, "date": "2014-05-29T16:34:33+00:00", "subject": "(urth) King", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Thu, May 29, 2014 07:34, Piotr Szcz?sny wrote:\nI think he means Isaac Singer, author of \"Shadows on the hudson\" and \"The\nMagician of Lublin\". Also I checked - Singer was still alive in 1983." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I would say very likely, esp given the similar themes." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Jeff Wilson - < jwilson at clueland.com >\nA&M Texarkana Computational Intelligence Lab\n< http://www.tamut.edu/cil >" } ] }, { "message_id": "<1401386777.14198.YahooMailNeo@web120306.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "DAVID STOCKHOFF", "address": "dstockhoff at verizon.net" }, "date": "2014-05-29T18:06:17+00:00", "subject": "(urth) King", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Me too!" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Thursday, May 29, 2014 8:43 AM, Antonin Scriabin wrote:\n\n\nGlad he liked Little, Big. Makes me happy.\nOn May 29, 2014 8:34 AM, \"Piotr Szcz?sny\" wrote:\n\nI think he means Isaac Singer, author of \"Shadows on the hudson\" and \"The Magician of Lublin\". Also I checked - Singer was still alive in 1983." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "2014-05-29 13:45 GMT+02:00 Daniel Otto Jack Petersen :\n\nI just saw him mention King for the first time the other day (at least I think he meantStephen King). “It's in Castle of Days, a very clever little self-interview piece called 'Lone Wolfe' (from 1983 it says). ?Here's the relevant excerpt:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "Q: You have the reputation of being one of the nicest guys in the field. ?We both know you're a hyena on its hind legs. ?How have you fooled everyone”\nA: By keeping my mouth shut when I read garbage.\nQ: Have you found that difficult?\nA: No. ?I'm constantly running into people who've read bad books clean to the end. ?I admire them more than I can say, but I can't do that - when I get shit in my eyes I close them fast and cry.\nQ: You also throw the book at the wall and scare the dog.\nA: Yeah. ?And then when somebody asks me how I liked the book, I say I haven't read it, because it's really not fair for me to judge without finishing the book. ?Maybe the last nine-tenths is marvelous. ?But I doubt it.\nQ: Leaving aside the people you've already named [earlier he'd said he'd read a lot of Lafferty, Le Guin, Knight, Wilhelm, and Budrys and also thoughtLittle, Big was 'an education in modern fantasy all by itself'], whodoesn't make you toss the book at the wall?\nA: Lord Dunsany, Chesterton--\nQ: I know, Dickens. “Let's keep the dead out of this.\nA: Ellison, Leiber, King, Singer, lots of good people.\n\n\nThen 'they' change the subject. ?I assume he's talking about SK. ?If so, that's a fairly ringing endorsement from Wolfe - SK's fiction is not garbage and thus doesn't merit being thrown against the wall! ?\n\n\nDoes anyone know who Singer could be”\n\n\n-DOJP\n\n\n\nOn Thu, May 29, 2014 at 11:26 AM, Piotr Szcz?sny wrote:\n\nI only know one Stephen King in Wolfe works. In \"From the desk of Gilmer C. Merton\" where he is clearly?mentioned “as horror story writer - Steven E. Presley.”" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "2014-05-29 12:02 GMT+02:00 Ant?nio Pedro Marques :\n\n\nGene Wolfe mentions King a number of times. Some of those are clearly Stephen King. SK is usually taken as an entertainer rather than a Writer (not by me, since my knowledge on the matter is nil). Has Wolfe's endorsement been analyzed? (F.i., people will discuss his appreciation of Lafferty.)" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 5, "text": "_______________________________________________" } ] } ] }