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(F.i., people will discuss his appreciation of Lafferty.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Piotr Szczęsny — 29 May 2014, 10:26 in reply to António Pedro Marques I only know one Stephen King in Wolfe works. In "From the desk of Gilmer C. Merton" where he is clearly mentioned as horror story writer - Steven E. Presley. 2014-05-29 12:02 GMT+02:00 Ant?nio Pedro Marques : > Gene Wolfe mentions King a number of times. Some of those are clearly > Stephen King. SK is usually taken as an entertainer rather than a Writer > (not by me, since my knowledge on the matter is nil). Has Wolfe's > endorsement been analyzed? (F.i., people will discuss his appreciation of > Lafferty.) > > > _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Daniel Otto Jack Petersen — 29 May 2014, 11:45 in reply to Piotr Szczęsny I just saw him mention King for the first time the other day (at least I think he meant* Stephen* King). It's in *Castle of Days*, a very clever little self-interview piece called 'Lone Wolfe' (from 1983 it says). Here's the relevant excerpt: *Q: You have the reputation of being one of the nicest guys in the field. We both know you're a hyena on its hind legs. How have you fooled everyone?* *A: By keeping my mouth shut when I read garbage.* *Q: Have you found that difficult?* *A: No. I'm constantly running into people who've read bad books clean to the end. I admire them more than I can say, but I can't do that - when I get shit in my eyes I close them fast and cry.* *Q: You also throw the book at the wall and scare the dog.* *A: Yeah. And then when somebody asks me how I liked the book, I say I haven't read it, because it's really not fair for me to judge without finishing the book. Maybe the last nine-tenths is marvelous. But I doubt it.* *Q: Leaving aside the people you've already named [earlier he'd said he'd read a lot of Lafferty, Le Guin, Knight, Wilhelm, and Budrys and also thought Little, Big was 'an education in modern fantasy all by itself'], who doesn't make you toss the book at the wall?* *A: Lord Dunsany, Chesterton--* *Q: I know, Dickens. Let's keep the dead out of this.* *A: Ellison, Leiber, King, Singer, lots of good people.* Then 'they' change the subject. I assume he's talking about SK. If so, that's a fairly ringing endorsement from Wolfe - SK's fiction is not garbage and thus doesn't merit being thrown against the wall! Does anyone know who Singer could be? -DOJP > On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 11:26 AM, Piotr Szcz?sny > wrote: > I only know one Stephen King in Wolfe works. In "From the desk of Gilmer > C. Merton" where he is clearly mentioned as horror story writer - Steven > E. Presley. > > > 2014-05-29 12:02 GMT+02:00 Ant?nio Pedro Marques : > > Gene Wolfe mentions King a number of times. Some of those are clearly > Stephen King. SK is usually taken as an entertainer rather than a Writer > (not by me, since my knowledge on the matter is nil). Has Wolfe's > endorsement been analyzed? (F.i., people will discuss his appreciation of > Lafferty.) > > _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Piotr Szczęsny — 29 May 2014, 12:34 in reply to Daniel Otto Jack Petersen I think he means Isaac Singer, author of "Shadows on the hudson" and "The Magician of Lublin". Also I checked - Singer was still alive in 1983. 2014-05-29 13:45 GMT+02:00 Daniel Otto Jack Petersen < danielottojackpetersen at gmail.com>: > I just saw him mention King for the first time the other day (at least I > think he meant* Stephen* King). It's in *Castle of Days*, a very clever > little self-interview piece called 'Lone Wolfe' (from 1983 it says). > Here's the relevant excerpt: > > *Q: You have the reputation of being one of the nicest guys in the field. > We both know you're a hyena on its hind legs. How have you fooled > everyone?* > *A: By keeping my mouth shut when I read garbage.* > *Q: Have you found that difficult?* > *A: No. I'm constantly running into people who've read bad books clean to > the end. I admire them more than I can say, but I can't do that - when I > get shit in my eyes I close them fast and cry.* > *Q: You also throw the book at the wall and scare the dog.* > *A: Yeah. And then when somebody asks me how I liked the book, I say I > haven't read it, because it's really not fair for me to judge without > finishing the book. Maybe the last nine-tenths is marvelous. But I doubt > it.* > *Q: Leaving aside the people you've already named [earlier he'd said he'd > read a lot of Lafferty, Le Guin, Knight, Wilhelm, and Budrys and also > thought Little, Big was 'an education in modern fantasy all by itself'], > who doesn't make you toss the book at the wall?* > *A: Lord Dunsany, Chesterton--* > *Q: I know, Dickens. Let's keep the dead out of this.* > *A: Ellison, Leiber, King, Singer, lots of good people.* > > Then 'they' change the subject. I assume he's talking about SK. If so, > that's a fairly ringing endorsement from Wolfe - SK's fiction is not > garbage and thus doesn't merit being thrown against the wall! > > Does anyone know who Singer could be? > > -DOJP > > > On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 11:26 AM, Piotr Szcz?sny wrote: > > I only know one Stephen King in Wolfe works. In "From the desk of Gilmer > > C. Merton" where he is clearly mentioned as horror story writer - Steven > > E. Presley. > > > > > > 2014-05-29 12:02 GMT+02:00 Ant?nio Pedro Marques : > > > > Gene Wolfe mentions King a number of times. Some of those are clearly > > Stephen King. SK is usually taken as an entertainer rather than a Writer > > (not by me, since my knowledge on the matter is nil). Has Wolfe's > > endorsement been analyzed? (F.i., people will discuss his appreciation of > > Lafferty.) > > > _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Antonin Scriabin — 29 May 2014, 12:42 in reply to Piotr Szczęsny Glad he liked Little, Big. Makes me happy. > On May 29, 2014 8:34 AM, "Piotr Szcz?sny" wrote: > I think he means Isaac Singer, author of "Shadows on the hudson" and "The > Magician of Lublin". Also I checked - Singer was still alive in 1983. > > > 2014-05-29 13:45 GMT+02:00 Daniel Otto Jack Petersen < > danielottojackpetersen at gmail.com>: > > I just saw him mention King for the first time the other day (at least I > > think he meant* Stephen* King). It's in *Castle of Days*, a very clever > > little self-interview piece called 'Lone Wolfe' (from 1983 it says). > > Here's the relevant excerpt: > > > > *Q: You have the reputation of being one of the nicest guys in the field. > > We both know you're a hyena on its hind legs. How have you fooled > > everyone?* > > *A: By keeping my mouth shut when I read garbage.* > > *Q: Have you found that difficult?* > > *A: No. I'm constantly running into people who've read bad books clean > > to the end. I admire them more than I can say, but I can't do that - when > > I get shit in my eyes I close them fast and cry.* > > *Q: You also throw the book at the wall and scare the dog.* > > *A: Yeah. And then when somebody asks me how I liked the book, I say I > > haven't read it, because it's really not fair for me to judge without > > finishing the book. Maybe the last nine-tenths is marvelous. But I doubt > > it.* > > *Q: Leaving aside the people you've already named [earlier he'd said he'd > > read a lot of Lafferty, Le Guin, Knight, Wilhelm, and Budrys and also > > thought Little, Big was 'an education in modern fantasy all by itself'], > > who doesn't make you toss the book at the wall?* > > *A: Lord Dunsany, Chesterton--* > > *Q: I know, Dickens. Let's keep the dead out of this.* > > *A: Ellison, Leiber, King, Singer, lots of good people.* > > > > Then 'they' change the subject. I assume he's talking about SK. If so, > > that's a fairly ringing endorsement from Wolfe - SK's fiction is not > > garbage and thus doesn't merit being thrown against the wall! > > > > Does anyone know who Singer could be? > > > > -DOJP > > > > > > On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 11:26 AM, Piotr Szcz?sny > > wrote: > > > I only know one Stephen King in Wolfe works. In "From the desk of Gilmer > > > C. Merton" where he is clearly mentioned as horror story writer - Steven > > > E. Presley. > > > > > > > > > 2014-05-29 12:02 GMT+02:00 Ant?nio Pedro Marques : > > > > > > Gene Wolfe mentions King a number of times. Some of those are clearly > > > Stephen King. SK is usually taken as an entertainer rather than a Writer > > > (not by me, since my knowledge on the matter is nil). Has Wolfe's > > > endorsement been analyzed? (F.i., people will discuss his appreciation of > > > Lafferty.) > > > > _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mo Holkar — 29 May 2014, 13:12 in reply to Daniel Otto Jack Petersen Isaac Bashevis Singer, I would guess, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Bashevis_Singer Mo > At 12:45 29/05/2014, you wrote: > A: Ellison, Leiber, King, Singer, lots of good people. > > Then 'they' change the subject. — I assume he's > talking about SK. — If so, that's a fairly > ringing endorsement from Wolfe - SK's fiction is > not garbage and thus doesn't merit being thrown against the wall! ? > > Does anyone know who Singer could be? > > -DOJP > > > On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 11:26 AM, Piotr > Szcz??sny <neternalz at gmail.com> wrote: > I only know one Stephen King in Wolfe works. In > "From the desk of Gilmer C. Merton" where he is? > clearly? mentioned — as horror story writer - Steven E. Presley. > > 2014-05-29 12:02 GMT+02:00 Ant??nio Pedro > Marques <entonio at gmail.com>: > > Gene Wolfe mentions King a number of times. Some > of those are clearly Stephen King. SK is usually > taken as an entertainer rather than a Writer > (not by me, since my knowledge on the matter is > nil). Has Wolfe's endorsement been analyzed? > (F.i., people will discuss his appreciation of Lafferty.) > > _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ António Pedro Marques — 29 May 2014, 13:35 in reply to Daniel Otto Jack Petersen No dia 29/05/2014, ?s 12:45, Daniel Otto Jack Petersen escreveu: > Q: Leaving aside the people you've already named [earlier he'd said he'd read a lot of Lafferty, Le Guin, Knight, Wilhelm, and Budrys and also thought Little, Big was 'an education in modern fantasy all by itself'], who doesn't make you toss the book at the wall? > A: Lord Dunsany, Chesterton-- > Q: I know, Dickens. Let's keep the dead out of this. > A: Ellison, Leiber, King, Singer, lots of good people. > > Then 'they' change the subject. I assume he's talking about SK. If so, that's a fairly ringing endorsement from Wolfe - SK's fiction is not garbage and thus doesn't merit being thrown against the wall! Calling him Presley also seems quite complimentary, since Elvis wasn't called 'the king' for nothing. I'm certain I've seen references to SK other than these two, but I haven't any with me at the moment so I can check. And I think there may be another Singer, but I can't recall the name. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ David Stockhoff — 29 May 2014, 13:44 in reply to Piotr Szczęsny Now THAT"S how to name-check. > On 5/29/2014 6:26 AM, Piotr Szcze;sny wrote: > I only know one Stephen King in Wolfe works. In "From the desk of > Gilmer C. Merton" where he is clearly mentioned as horror story > writer - Steven E. Presley. > > > 2014-05-29 12:02 GMT+02:00 Ant?nio Pedro Marques >: > > Gene Wolfe mentions King a number of times. Some of those are > clearly Stephen King. SK is usually taken as an entertainer rather > than a Writer (not by me, since my knowledge on the matter is > nil). Has Wolfe's endorsement been analyzed? (F.i., people will > discuss his appreciation of Lafferty.) > > > _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jeff Wilson — 29 May 2014, 16:34 in reply to Piotr Szczęsny > On Thu, May 29, 2014 07:34, Piotr Szcz?sny wrote: > I think he means Isaac Singer, author of "Shadows on the hudson" and "The > Magician of Lublin". Also I checked - Singer was still alive in 1983. I would say very likely, esp given the similar themes. -- Jeff Wilson - < jwilson at clueland.com > A&M Texarkana Computational Intelligence Lab < http://www.tamut.edu/cil > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ DAVID STOCKHOFF — 29 May 2014, 18:06 in reply to Antonin Scriabin Me too! > On Thursday, May 29, 2014 8:43 AM, Antonin Scriabin wrote: > > > Glad he liked Little, Big. Makes me happy. > On May 29, 2014 8:34 AM, "Piotr Szcz?sny" wrote: > > I think he means Isaac Singer, author of "Shadows on the hudson" and "The Magician of Lublin". Also I checked - Singer was still alive in 1983. > > 2014-05-29 13:45 GMT+02:00 Daniel Otto Jack Petersen : > > > > I just saw him mention King for the first time the other day (at least I think he meantStephen King). “It's in Castle of Days, a very clever little self-interview piece called 'Lone Wolfe' (from 1983 it says). ?Here's the relevant excerpt: > > > Q: You have the reputation of being one of the nicest guys in the field. ?We both know you're a hyena on its hind legs. ?How have you fooled everyone” > > > A: By keeping my mouth shut when I read garbage. > > > Q: Have you found that difficult? > > > A: No. ?I'm constantly running into people who've read bad books clean to the end. ?I admire them more than I can say, but I can't do that - when I get shit in my eyes I close them fast and cry. > > > Q: You also throw the book at the wall and scare the dog. > > > A: Yeah. ?And then when somebody asks me how I liked the book, I say I haven't read it, because it's really not fair for me to judge without finishing the book. ?Maybe the last nine-tenths is marvelous. ?But I doubt it. > > > Q: Leaving aside the people you've already named [earlier he'd said he'd read a lot of Lafferty, Le Guin, Knight, Wilhelm, and Budrys and also thoughtLittle, Big was 'an education in modern fantasy all by itself'], whodoesn't make you toss the book at the wall? > > > A: Lord Dunsany, Chesterton-- > > > Q: I know, Dickens. “Let's keep the dead out of this. > > > A: Ellison, Leiber, King, Singer, lots of good people. > > > > > > > > > Then 'they' change the subject. ?I assume he's talking about SK. ?If so, that's a fairly ringing endorsement from Wolfe - SK's fiction is not garbage and thus doesn't merit being thrown against the wall! ? > > > > > > > > > Does anyone know who Singer could be” > > > > > > > > > -DOJP > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 11:26 AM, Piotr Szcz?sny wrote: > > > > > > I only know one Stephen King in Wolfe works. In "From the desk of Gilmer C. Merton" where he is clearly?mentioned “as horror story writer - Steven E. Presley.” > > > > 2014-05-29 12:02 GMT+02:00 Ant?nio Pedro Marques : > > > > > > > > > > > > Gene Wolfe mentions King a number of times. Some of those are clearly Stephen King. SK is usually taken as an entertainer rather than a Writer (not by me, since my knowledge on the matter is nil). Has Wolfe's endorsement been analyzed? (F.i., people will discuss his appreciation of Lafferty.) > > > > > _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------