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I plan on skipping two numbers\nand returning to \"The Eyeflash Miracles\" and \"Seven American Nights\" after\nI consider them a bit more.\n\nI would really like to tear through the 80s more quickly than the 70s, and\nit should be possible since Wolfe's time on long novels and series vastly\nreduced the length and allusive depth of his short fiction. ... However, I\nfeel that 7 American Nights and probably Cabin on the Coast in the early\n80s marked a shift away from SF tropes to more fantastic ones, which are a\nbit less easy to mark \"objectively\" - some stories might actually have\nunresolvable mysteries, though I don't think anything written before 1980\nactually does.\n\nThe write-ups I feel are least satisfactory are \"The Green Wall Said\", \"The\nBlue Mouse\", \"Paul's Treehouse\" - though I think the garment district\nuprising in \"A Criminal Proceeding\" and mentioned briefly in \"Operation\nARES\" can explain who is actually rioting in that story, \"Hour of Trust\"\n(what is the name of the company running everything, whose symbol is gold\nstamped instruments? That write up gave me more problems than you would\nthink) \"The Island of Doctor Death an Other Stories\", and perhaps the Thag\nstories.\n\nI am most satisfied with \"The Changeling\", \"Many Mansions\" - (those houses\nare luring people in and are merely dressed up as familiar, tempting human\nhouses with mimicry, and might even be planting something, human-alien\nsymbiotic style, inside people through the strong drink), \"The HORARS of\nWar\", and \"Trip, Trap\" write ups.\n\nI already know exactly what type of essays I will be finishing up on Long\nSun, Latro, and Home Fires, but the rest will take some time and I might\nnot return to New Sun until the majority of the short fiction and shorter\nnovels are done.\n\nAll considered the project might be close to 2,000 pages or so when I am\ndone.\nOf course it would need hefty revision and citation, but lately I have\nconsidered perhaps trying to publish it upon completion - short essays on\nthe long fiction in front which would be my own thesis based developments,\nnot comprehensive looks at all, and the story analysis section after that.\nA traditional publisher would never touch it, I imagine, and it would be\nfar too big for a small or university press, but perhaps an ebook would\nwork. Anyone think that would be viable? Should I even, say, try to split\nit in half? Just thought I would see what you guys thought, as this has\nbeen a WHOLE lot of work, even though I love it." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Greg Bates", "address": "gregory.a.bates at gmail.com" }, "date": "2014-08-01T01:03:36+00:00", "subject": "(urth) short story project so far", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "All I can say is that I've really enjoyed reading this series so far, and\nI'd be all for putting it in a book format!" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 1:36 PM, Marc Aramini wrote:\nWell, I am about 33 percent done with Wolfe's published stories after this\nnext one, \"The Doctor of Death Island\" ... I plan on skipping two numbers\nand returning to \"The Eyeflash Miracles\" and \"Seven American Nights\" after\nI consider them a bit more.\n\nI would really like to tear through the 80s more quickly than the 70s, and\nit should be possible since Wolfe's time on long novels and series vastly\nreduced the length and allusive depth of his short fiction. ... However, I\nfeel that 7 American Nights and probably Cabin on the Coast in the early\n80s marked a shift away from SF tropes to more fantastic ones, which are a\nbit less easy to mark \"objectively\" - some stories might actually have\nunresolvable mysteries, though I don't think anything written before 1980\nactually does.\n\nThe write-ups I feel are least satisfactory are \"The Green Wall Said\",\n\"The Blue Mouse\", \"Paul's Treehouse\" - though I think the garment district\nuprising in \"A Criminal Proceeding\" and mentioned briefly in \"Operation\nARES\" can explain who is actually rioting in that story, \"Hour of Trust\"\n(what is the name of the company running everything, whose symbol is gold\nstamped instruments? That write up gave me more problems than you would\nthink) \"The Island of Doctor Death an Other Stories\", and perhaps the Thag\nstories.\n\nI am most satisfied with \"The Changeling\", \"Many Mansions\" - (those houses\nare luring people in and are merely dressed up as familiar, tempting human\nhouses with mimicry, and might even be planting something, human-alien\nsymbiotic style, inside people through the strong drink), \"The HORARS of\nWar\", and \"Trip, Trap\" write ups.\n\nI already know exactly what type of essays I will be finishing up on Long\nSun, Latro, and Home Fires, but the rest will take some time and I might\nnot return to New Sun until the majority of the short fiction and shorter\nnovels are done.\n\nAll considered the project might be close to 2,000 pages or so when I am\ndone.\nOf course it would need hefty revision and citation, but lately I have\nconsidered perhaps trying to publish it upon completion - short essays on\nthe long fiction in front which would be my own thesis based developments,\nnot comprehensive looks at all, and the story analysis section after that.\nA traditional publisher would never touch it, I imagine, and it would be\nfar too big for a small or university press, but perhaps an ebook would\nwork. Anyone think that would be viable? Should I even, say, try to split\nit in half? Just thought I would see what you guys thought, as this has\nbeen a WHOLE lot of work, even though I love it.\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Marc Aramini", "address": "marcaramini at gmail.com" }, "date": "2014-08-01T05:13:33+00:00", "subject": "(urth) short story project so far", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Thanks Greg I appreciate it!" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Thursday, July 31, 2014, Greg Bates wrote:\nAll I can say is that I've really enjoyed reading this series so far, and\nI'd be all for putting it in a book format!\n\n\nOn Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 1:36 PM, Marc Aramini > wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Well, I am about 33 percent done with Wolfe's published stories after\nthis next one, \"The Doctor of Death Island\" ... I plan on skipping two\nnumbers and returning to \"The Eyeflash Miracles\" and \"Seven American\nNights\" after I consider them a bit more.\n\nI would really like to tear through the 80s more quickly than the 70s,\nand it should be possible since Wolfe's time on long novels and series\nvastly reduced the length and allusive depth of his short fiction. ...\nHowever, I feel that 7 American Nights and probably Cabin on the Coast in\nthe early 80s marked a shift away from SF tropes to more fantastic ones,\nwhich are a bit less easy to mark \"objectively\" - some stories might\nactually have unresolvable mysteries, though I don't think anything written\nbefore 1980 actually does.\n\nThe write-ups I feel are least satisfactory are \"The Green Wall Said\",\n\"The Blue Mouse\", \"Paul's Treehouse\" - though I think the garment district\nuprising in \"A Criminal Proceeding\" and mentioned briefly in \"Operation\nARES\" can explain who is actually rioting in that story, \"Hour of Trust\"\n(what is the name of the company running everything, whose symbol is gold\nstamped instruments? That write up gave me more problems than you would\nthink) \"The Island of Doctor Death an Other Stories\", and perhaps the Thag\nstories.\n\nI am most satisfied with \"The Changeling\", \"Many Mansions\" - (those\nhouses are luring people in and are merely dressed up as familiar, tempting\nhuman houses with mimicry, and might even be planting something,\nhuman-alien symbiotic style, inside people through the strong drink), \"The\nHORARS of War\", and \"Trip, Trap\" write ups.\n\nI already know exactly what type of essays I will be finishing up on Long\nSun, Latro, and Home Fires, but the rest will take some time and I might\nnot return to New Sun until the majority of the short fiction and shorter\nnovels are done.\n\nAll considered the project might be close to 2,000 pages or so when I am\ndone.\nOf course it would need hefty revision and citation, but lately I have\nconsidered perhaps trying to publish it upon completion - short essays on\nthe long fiction in front which would be my own thesis based developments,\nnot comprehensive looks at all, and the story analysis section after that.\nA traditional publisher would never touch it, I imagine, and it would be\nfar too big for a small or university press, but perhaps an ebook would\nwork. Anyone think that would be viable? Should I even, say, try to split\nit in half? Just thought I would see what you guys thought, as this has\nbeen a WHOLE lot of work, even though I love it.\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<53DB322000017E25@rgout05.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk>", "from": { "name": "Mo Holkar", "address": "mo at holkar.net" }, "date": "2014-08-01T08:00:15+00:00", "subject": "(urth) short story project so far", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "At 18:36 31/07/2014, Marc wrote:\nOf course it would need hefty revision and \ncitation, but lately I have considered perhaps \ntrying to publish it upon completion - short \nessays on the long fiction in front which would \nbe my own thesis based? developments, not? \ncomprehensive looks at all, and the story \nanalysis section after that. A traditional \npublisher would never touch it, I imagine, and \nit would be far too big for a small or \nuniversity press, but perhaps an ebook would \nwork. Anyone think that would be \nviable? Should I even, say, try to split it in \nhalf? Just thought I would see what you guys \nthought, as this has been a WHOLE lot of work, even though I love it." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I think if it was me I would make it available \nprint-on-demand as well as ebook. It's an extra \nchunk of work to prepare the files, but not a \nhuge one compared to the project as a whole. (I \nwould buy a printed version but probably wouldn't \nbuy an ebook version, and I don't suppose I'm \nalone in that.) I don't know where you were \nthinking of selling the ebook, but some outlets \nmake it fairly easy to sell POD and ebook versions in parallel.\n\nEither way though you're probably not going to \nsell a huge number of copies, or make enough \nmoney to contribute significantly to the time \nyou'll have spent. But definition of 'viable' for \na labour of love like this may be quite a low \nhurdle: would a thousand or so sales make you feel it was worth the effort?\n\nbest,\n\nMo " } ] }, { "message_id": "<1406881142.2158943.147993786.53789120@webmail.messagingengine.com>", "from": { "name": "Mark Lewin", "address": "mark at marklewin.com" }, "date": "2014-08-01T08:19:02+00:00", "subject": "(urth) short story project so far", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "+1 for a print-on-demand version for my Wolfe shelf :)\n\nIt's been a great series and has really added to my enjoyment of the\nstories themselves. Good job, Marc!" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Fri, Aug 1, 2014, at 09:00 AM, Mo Holkar wrote:\nAt 18:36 31/07/2014, Marc wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Of course it would need hefty revision and \ncitation, but lately I have considered perhaps \ntrying to publish it upon completion - short \nessays on the long fiction in front which would \nbe my own thesis based? developments, not? \ncomprehensive looks at all, and the story \nanalysis section after that. A traditional \npublisher would never touch it, I imagine, and \nit would be far too big for a small or \nuniversity press, but perhaps an ebook would \nwork. Anyone think that would be \nviable? Should I even, say, try to split it in \nhalf? Just thought I would see what you guys \nthought, as this has been a WHOLE lot of work, even though I love it." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I think if it was me I would make it available \nprint-on-demand as well as ebook. It's an extra \nchunk of work to prepare the files, but not a \nhuge one compared to the project as a whole. (I \nwould buy a printed version but probably wouldn't \nbuy an ebook version, and I don't suppose I'm \nalone in that.) I don't know where you were \nthinking of selling the ebook, but some outlets \nmake it fairly easy to sell POD and ebook versions in parallel.\n\nEither way though you're probably not going to \nsell a huge number of copies, or make enough \nmoney to contribute significantly to the time \nyou'll have spent. But definition of 'viable' for \na labour of love like this may be quite a low \nhurdle: would a thousand or so sales make you feel it was worth the\neffort?\n\nbest,\n\nMo \n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Daniel Otto Jack Petersen", "address": "danielottojackpetersen at gmail.com" }, "date": "2014-08-01T11:12:28+00:00", "subject": "(urth) short story project so far", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Marc, I haven't been able to do more than peruse a handful of the story\ncommentaries you've posted here, but I've thoroughly enjoyed what I\nperused.\n\nI would read a printed book of them post-haste and with pleasure!\n\n-DOJP" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 2:03 AM, Greg Bates \nwrote:\nAll I can say is that I've really enjoyed reading this series so far, and\nI'd be all for putting it in a book format!\n\n\nOn Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 1:36 PM, Marc Aramini \nwrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Well, I am about 33 percent done with Wolfe's published stories after\nthis next one, \"The Doctor of Death Island\" ... I plan on skipping two\nnumbers and returning to \"The Eyeflash Miracles\" and \"Seven American\nNights\" after I consider them a bit more.\n\nI would really like to tear through the 80s more quickly than the 70s,\nand it should be possible since Wolfe's time on long novels and series\nvastly reduced the length and allusive depth of his short fiction. ...\nHowever, I feel that 7 American Nights and probably Cabin on the Coast in\nthe early 80s marked a shift away from SF tropes to more fantastic ones,\nwhich are a bit less easy to mark \"objectively\" - some stories might\nactually have unresolvable mysteries, though I don't think anything written\nbefore 1980 actually does.\n\nThe write-ups I feel are least satisfactory are \"The Green Wall Said\",\n\"The Blue Mouse\", \"Paul's Treehouse\" - though I think the garment district\nuprising in \"A Criminal Proceeding\" and mentioned briefly in \"Operation\nARES\" can explain who is actually rioting in that story, \"Hour of Trust\"\n(what is the name of the company running everything, whose symbol is gold\nstamped instruments? That write up gave me more problems than you would\nthink) \"The Island of Doctor Death an Other Stories\", and perhaps the Thag\nstories.\n\nI am most satisfied with \"The Changeling\", \"Many Mansions\" - (those\nhouses are luring people in and are merely dressed up as familiar, tempting\nhuman houses with mimicry, and might even be planting something,\nhuman-alien symbiotic style, inside people through the strong drink), \"The\nHORARS of War\", and \"Trip, Trap\" write ups.\n\nI already know exactly what type of essays I will be finishing up on Long\nSun, Latro, and Home Fires, but the rest will take some time and I might\nnot return to New Sun until the majority of the short fiction and shorter\nnovels are done.\n\nAll considered the project might be close to 2,000 pages or so when I am\ndone.\nOf course it would need hefty revision and citation, but lately I have\nconsidered perhaps trying to publish it upon completion - short essays on\nthe long fiction in front which would be my own thesis based developments,\nnot comprehensive looks at all, and the story analysis section after that.\nA traditional publisher would never touch it, I imagine, and it would be\nfar too big for a small or university press, but perhaps an ebook would\nwork. Anyone think that would be viable? Should I even, say, try to split\nit in half? Just thought I would see what you guys thought, as this has\nbeen a WHOLE lot of work, even though I love it.\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Piotr Szczęsny", "address": "neternalz at gmail.com" }, "date": "2014-08-01T11:16:10+00:00", "subject": "(urth) short story project so far", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "If you are going to ship internationally, I'm down for a copy ;). Also\nMarc, did you compiled a list of all Wolfe short stories? If you did, could\nyou share it, would be great to have it and cross off read stories :).\n31 lip 2014 19:36 \"Marc Aramini\" napisa?(a):" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Well, I am about 33 percent done with Wolfe's published stories after this\nnext one, \"The Doctor of Death Island\" ... I plan on skipping two numbers\nand returning to \"The Eyeflash Miracles\" and \"Seven American Nights\" after\nI consider them a bit more.\n\nI would really like to tear through the 80s more quickly than the 70s, and\nit should be possible since Wolfe's time on long novels and series vastly\nreduced the length and allusive depth of his short fiction. ... However, I\nfeel that 7 American Nights and probably Cabin on the Coast in the early\n80s marked a shift away from SF tropes to more fantastic ones, which are a\nbit less easy to mark \"objectively\" - some stories might actually have\nunresolvable mysteries, though I don't think anything written before 1980\nactually does.\n\nThe write-ups I feel are least satisfactory are \"The Green Wall Said\",\n\"The Blue Mouse\", \"Paul's Treehouse\" - though I think the garment district\nuprising in \"A Criminal Proceeding\" and mentioned briefly in \"Operation\nARES\" can explain who is actually rioting in that story, \"Hour of Trust\"\n(what is the name of the company running everything, whose symbol is gold\nstamped instruments? That write up gave me more problems than you would\nthink) \"The Island of Doctor Death an Other Stories\", and perhaps the Thag\nstories.\n\nI am most satisfied with \"The Changeling\", \"Many Mansions\" - (those houses\nare luring people in and are merely dressed up as familiar, tempting human\nhouses with mimicry, and might even be planting something, human-alien\nsymbiotic style, inside people through the strong drink), \"The HORARS of\nWar\", and \"Trip, Trap\" write ups.\n\nI already know exactly what type of essays I will be finishing up on Long\nSun, Latro, and Home Fires, but the rest will take some time and I might\nnot return to New Sun until the majority of the short fiction and shorter\nnovels are done.\n\nAll considered the project might be close to 2,000 pages or so when I am\ndone.\nOf course it would need hefty revision and citation, but lately I have\nconsidered perhaps trying to publish it upon completion - short essays on\nthe long fiction in front which would be my own thesis based developments,\nnot comprehensive looks at all, and the story analysis section after that.\nA traditional publisher would never touch it, I imagine, and it would be\nfar too big for a small or university press, but perhaps an ebook would\nwork. Anyone think that would be viable? Should I even, say, try to split\nit in half? Just thought I would see what you guys thought, as this has\nbeen a WHOLE lot of work, even though I love it.\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<53DB8897.4040000@verizon.net>", "from": { "name": "David Stockhoff", "address": "dstockhoff at verizon.net" }, "date": "2014-08-01T12:31:19+00:00", "subject": "(urth) short story project so far", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I'm in the same boat. What I need is a handy Aramini desk reference!" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 8/1/2014 7:12 AM, Daniel Otto Jack Petersen wrote:\nMarc, I haven't been able to do more than peruse a handful of the\nstory commentaries you've posted here, but I've thoroughly enjoyed\nwhat I perused. \n\nI would read a printed book of them post-haste and with pleasure! \n\n-DOJP\n\n\nOn Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 2:03 AM, Greg Bates > wrote:\n\n All I can say is that I've really enjoyed reading this series so\n far, and I'd be all for putting it in a book format!\n\n\n On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 1:36 PM, Marc Aramini\n > wrote:\n\n Well, I am about 33 percent done with Wolfe's published\n stories after this next one, \"The Doctor of Death Island\" ...\n I plan on skipping two numbers and returning to \"The Eyeflash\n Miracles\" and \"Seven American Nights\" after I consider them a\n bit more.\n\n I would really like to tear through the 80s more quickly than\n the 70s, and it should be possible since Wolfe's time on long\n novels and series vastly reduced the length and allusive depth\n of his short fiction. ... However, I feel that 7 American\n Nights and probably Cabin on the Coast in the early 80s marked\n a shift away from SF tropes to more fantastic ones, which are\n a bit less easy to mark \"objectively\" - some stories might\n actually have unresolvable mysteries, though I don't think\n anything written before 1980 actually does.\n\n The write-ups I feel are least satisfactory are \"The Green\n Wall Said\", \"The Blue Mouse\", \"Paul's Treehouse\" - though I\n think the garment district uprising in \"A Criminal Proceeding\"\n and mentioned briefly in \"Operation ARES\" can explain who is\n actually rioting in that story, \"Hour of Trust\" (what is the\n name of the company running everything, whose symbol is gold\n stamped instruments? That write up gave me more problems than\n you would think) \"The Island of Doctor Death an Other\n Stories\", and perhaps the Thag stories.\n\n I am most satisfied with \"The Changeling\", \"Many Mansions\" -\n (those houses are luring people in and are merely dressed up\n as familiar, tempting human houses with mimicry, and might\n even be planting something, human-alien symbiotic\n style, inside people through the strong drink), \"The HORARS of\n War\", and \"Trip, Trap\" write ups.\n\n I already know exactly what type of essays I will be finishing\n up on Long Sun, Latro, and Home Fires, but the rest will take\n some time and I might not return to New Sun until the majority\n of the short fiction and shorter novels are done.\n\n All considered the project might be close to 2,000 pages or so\n when I am done.\n Of course it would need hefty revision and citation, but\n lately I have considered perhaps trying to publish it upon\n completion - short essays on the long fiction in front which\n would be my own thesis based developments, not comprehensive\n looks at all, and the story analysis section after that. A\n traditional publisher would never touch it, I imagine, and it\n would be far too big for a small or university press, but\n perhaps an ebook would work. Anyone think that would be\n viable? Should I even, say, try to split it in half? Just\n thought I would see what you guys thought, as this has been a\n WHOLE lot of work, even though I love it.\n\n _______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<53D399030081B38C@rgout04.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk>", "from": { "name": "Mo Holkar", "address": "mo at holkar.net" }, "date": "2014-08-01T14:13:22+00:00", "subject": "(urth) short story project so far", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "At 12:16 01/08/2014, Piotr wrote:\nIf you are going to ship internationally, I'm down for a copy ;). \nAlso Marc, did you compiled a list of all Wolfe short stories? If \nyou did, could you share it, would be great to have it and cross off \nread stories :)." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "You can find such a list on the WolfeWiki:\nhttp://www.wolfewiki.com/pmwiki/pmwiki.php?n=WolfeWiki.StoriesListByDate\n\nbest,\n\nMo" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Marc Aramini", "address": "marcaramini at gmail.com" }, "date": "2014-08-01T14:18:50+00:00", "subject": "(urth) short story project so far", "in_reply_to": "<53DB8897.4040000@verizon.net>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Thanks for the support, guys!" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 5:31 AM, David Stockhoff \nwrote:\nI'm in the same boat. What I need is a handy Aramini desk reference!\n\n\nOn 8/1/2014 7:12 AM, Daniel Otto Jack Petersen wrote:\n\nMarc, I haven't been able to do more than peruse a handful of the story\ncommentaries you've posted here, but I've thoroughly enjoyed what I\nperused.\n\nI would read a printed book of them post-haste and with pleasure!\n\n-DOJP\n\n\nOn Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 2:03 AM, Greg Bates \nwrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "All I can say is that I've really enjoyed reading this series so far, and\nI'd be all for putting it in a book format!\n\n\nOn Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 1:36 PM, Marc Aramini \nwrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": " Well, I am about 33 percent done with Wolfe's published stories after\nthis next one, \"The Doctor of Death Island\" ... I plan on skipping two\nnumbers and returning to \"The Eyeflash Miracles\" and \"Seven American\nNights\" after I consider them a bit more.\n\nI would really like to tear through the 80s more quickly than the 70s,\nand it should be possible since Wolfe's time on long novels and series\nvastly reduced the length and allusive depth of his short fiction. ...\nHowever, I feel that 7 American Nights and probably Cabin on the Coast in\nthe early 80s marked a shift away from SF tropes to more fantastic ones,\nwhich are a bit less easy to mark \"objectively\" - some stories might\nactually have unresolvable mysteries, though I don't think anything written\nbefore 1980 actually does.\n\nThe write-ups I feel are least satisfactory are \"The Green Wall Said\",\n\"The Blue Mouse\", \"Paul's Treehouse\" - though I think the garment district\nuprising in \"A Criminal Proceeding\" and mentioned briefly in \"Operation\nARES\" can explain who is actually rioting in that story, \"Hour of Trust\"\n(what is the name of the company running everything, whose symbol is gold\nstamped instruments? That write up gave me more problems than you would\nthink) \"The Island of Doctor Death an Other Stories\", and perhaps the Thag\nstories.\n\nI am most satisfied with \"The Changeling\", \"Many Mansions\" - (those\nhouses are luring people in and are merely dressed up as familiar, tempting\nhuman houses with mimicry, and might even be planting something,\nhuman-alien symbiotic style, inside people through the strong drink), \"The\nHORARS of War\", and \"Trip, Trap\" write ups.\n\nI already know exactly what type of essays I will be finishing up on\nLong Sun, Latro, and Home Fires, but the rest will take some time and I\nmight not return to New Sun until the majority of the short fiction and\nshorter novels are done.\n\nAll considered the project might be close to 2,000 pages or so when I am\ndone.\nOf course it would need hefty revision and citation, but lately I have\nconsidered perhaps trying to publish it upon completion - short essays on\nthe long fiction in front which would be my own thesis based developments,\nnot comprehensive looks at all, and the story analysis section after that.\nA traditional publisher would never touch it, I imagine, and it would be\nfar too big for a small or university press, but perhaps an ebook would\nwork. Anyone think that would be viable? Should I even, say, try to split\nit in half? Just thought I would see what you guys thought, as this has\nbeen a WHOLE lot of work, even though I love it.\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Marc Aramini", "address": "marcaramini at gmail.com" }, "date": "2014-08-01T14:21:14+00:00", "subject": "(urth) short story project so far", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Here is the list compiled from the wolfe wiki with doubled stories\nremoved and with a few missing ones added in.\n\nX Easter Sunday\n\n X1951. The Case of the Vanishing Ghost\n\n X1951. The Grave Secret\n\n X1965. The Dead Man\n\n X1966. Mountains Like Mice\n\n X1967. Screen Test\n\n X1967. The Green Wall Said\n\n X1967. Trip, Trap\n\n X1967. Volksweapon\n\n X1968. House of Ancestors\n\n X1968. The Changeling\n\n X1969. Paul's Treehouse\n\n X1970. A Method Bit in \"B\"\n\n X1970. Car Sinister\n\n X1970. Eyebem\n\n X1970. How the Whip Came Back\n\n X1970. King Under the Mountain\n\n X1970. Morning-Glory\n\n X1970. Of Relays and Roses\n\n X1970. Remembrance to Come\n\n X1970. Sonya, Crane Wessleman, and Kittee\n\n X1970. The Island of Doctor Death and Other Stories\n\n X1970. The Packerhaus Method\n\n X1970. The HORARS of War\n\n X1970. Thou Spark of Blood\n\n X1970 Operation Ares\n\n X1971. Slaves of Silver\n\n X1971. Sweet Forest Maid\n\n X1971. The Blue Mouse\n\n X1971. The Toy Theater\n\n X1971. Three Million Square Miles\n\n X1972. \"A Story\" by John V. Marsch\n\n X1972. Against the Lafayette Escadrille\n\n X1972. Alien Stones\n\n X1972. Beech Hill\n\n X1972. It's Very Clean\n\n X1972. Loco Parentis\n\n X1972. Mathoms from the Time Closet\n\n X1972. Robot's Story\n\n X1972. Tarzan of the Grapes\n\n X1972. The Fifth Head of Cerberus\n\n X1972. The Headless Man\n\n X1972. The Recording\n\n X1972. V. R. T.\n\n X1973. An Article About Hunting\n\n X1973. Beautyland\n\n X1973. Continuing Westward\n\n X1973. Feather Tigers\n\n X1973. Going to the Beach\n\n X1973. Hour of Trust\n\n X1973. How I Lost the Second World War and Helped Turn Back the\nGerman Invasion\n\n X1973. La Befana\n\n X1973. Peritonitis\n\n X1973. The Death of Dr. Island\n\n X1973. Westwind\n\n X1974. Cues\n\n X1974. From the Notebook of Dr. Stein\n\n X1974. Melting\n\n X1974. The Dark of the June\n\n X1974. The Death of Hyle\n\n X1974. The Rubber Bend\n\n 1974. Forlesen\n\n X1975 Peace\n\n X1975. Civis Laputus Sum\n\n X1975. St. Brandon (Excerpt)\n\n X1975. Straw\n\n X1975. Thag\n\n X1975. The Hero as Werwolf\n\n X1975. When I Was Ming the Merciless\n\n X1975. Tracking Song\n\n X1975. Silhouette\n\n X1976 Devil in a Forest\n\n 1976. The Eyeflash Miracles\n\n X1976. Three Fingers\n\n X1977. Many Mansions\n\n X1977. The Marvelous Brass Chessplaying Automaton\n\n X1977. To the Dark Tower Came\n\n X1978. Our Neighbour by David Copperfield\n\n 1978. Seven American Nights\n\n 1978. The Doctor of Death Island\n\n X1979. The Woman Who Loved the Centaur Pholus\n\n X1979. War Beneath the Tree\n\n X1980. A Criminal Proceeding\n\n 1980. In Looking-Glass Castle\n\n 1980. Kevin Malone\n\n 1980. Suzanne Delage\n\n 1980. The Adopted Father\n\n 1980. The Detective of Dreams\n\n 1980. The God and His Man\n\n THE BOOK OF THE NEW SUN\n\n 1981. A Cabin on the Coast\n\n X1981. The Tale of the Student and His Son\n\n X1981. The Woman the Unicorn Loved\n\n 1981. Date Due\n\n 1982. Cherry Jubilee\n\n X1982. Folia's Story: The Armiger's Daughter\n\n 1982. Last Day\n\n 1982. My Book\n\n 1982. The Last Thrilling Wonder Story\n\n 1983. A Solar Labyrinth\n\n 1983. Creation\n\n 1983. Death of the Island Doctor\n\n 1983. The River\n\n 1983. From the Desk of Gilmer C. Merton\n\n 1983. At the Volcano's Lip\n\n 1983. In the Mountains\n\n 1983. In the Old Hotel\n\n 1983. On the Train\n\n 1983. The Cat\n\n 1983 Love Among The Corridors\n\n 1984 Bibliomen\n\n 1984. Redbeard\n\n 1984. The Map\n\n 1985. The Boy Who Hooked the Sun\n\n 1985. The Green Rabbit from S'Rian\n\n 1985. The Nebraskan and the Nereid\n\n X1985. The Woman Who Went Out\n\n X1985. FREE LIVE FREE\n\n 1986. Checking Out\n\n 1986. Choice of the Black Goddess\n\n 1986. The Peace Spy\n\n 1987. All the Hues of Hell\n\n 1987. Empires of Foliage and Flower\n\n 1987. In the House of Gingerbread\n\n 1987. Parkroads: A Review\n\n 1987. The Arimaspian Legacy\n\n 1987. The Most Beautiful Woman on the World\n\n 1987. The Other Dead Man\n\n SOLDIER SERIES\n\n THERE ARE DOORS\n\n 1988. Alphabet\n\n 1988. At the Point of Capricorn\n\n 1988. Game in the Pope's Head\n\n 1988. Houston, 1943\n\n 1988. Lukora\n\n 1988. Read Me\n\n 1988. Sightings at Twin Mounds\n\n 1988. The Flag\n\n 1988. The Tale of the Rose and the Nightingale (And What Came of It)\n\n 1989. How the Bishop Sailed to Inniskeen\n\n 1989. Slow Children at Play\n\n 1989. The Friendship Light\n\n 1989. The Tale of the Four Accused\n\n PANDORA BY HOLLY HOLLANDER\nCASTLEVIEW\n\n 1990. Lord of the Land\n\n 1990. The Haunted Boardinghouse\n\n 1990. The Monday Man\n\n 1991. The Old Woman Whose Rolling Pin Is the Sun\n\n 1991. The Seraph From Its Sepulcher\n\n X1992. The Largest Luger\n\n X1992. The Last Casualty of Cambrai\n\n 1992. The Legend of Xi Cygnus\n\n 1992. The Sailor Who Sailed After the Sun\n\n 1993. And When They Appear\n\n 1993. Useful Phrases\n\n 1994. Queen of the Night\n\n BOOK OF THE LONG SUN\n\n 1995. The Death of Koshchei the Deathless\n\n 1995. The Ziggurat\n\n 1996. Ain't You 'Most Done?\n\n 1996. Bed And Breakfast\n\n 1996. Bluesberry Jam\n\n 1996. Counting Cats in Zanzibar\n\n 1996. One Two Three for Me\n\n 1996. The Man in the Pepper Mill\n\n 1996. To the Seventh\n\n 1996. Try and Kill It\n\n 1997. Flash Company\n\n 1997. No Planets Strike\n\n 1997. Petting Zoo\n\n 1997. Wolfer\n\n 1998. The Night Chough\n\n 1998. The Wrapper\n\n 1999. A Fish Story\n\n 1999. A Traveler in Desert Lands\n\n 1999. Has Anybody Seen Junie Moon?\n\n 1999. How I Got Three Zip Codes\n\n 1999. The Tree Is My Hat\n\n 1999. The Walking Sticks\n\n BOOK OF THE SHORT SUN\n\n 2000. Pocketsful of Diamonds\n\n 2000. The Eleventh City\n\n 2000. The Fat Magician\n\n 2001. Copperhead\n\n 2001. In Glory Like Their Star\n\n 2001. Queen\n\n 2001. Viewpoint\n\n 2002. From the Cradle\n\n 2002. Mute\n\n 2002. Shields of Mars\n\n 2002. The Dog of the Drops\n\n 2002. The Waif\n\n 2002. Under Hill\n\n 2002. A Walking Tour of the Shambles\n\n 2003. Black Shoes\n\n 2003. My Name is Nancy Wood\n\n 2003. Calamity Warps\n\n 2003. Castaway\n\n 2003. Graylord Man's Last Words\n\n 2003. Hunter Lake\n\n 2003. Of Soil And Climate\n\n 2003. Talk of Mandrakes\n\n 2003. The Lost Pilgrim\n\n 2004. Golden City Far\n\n 2004. Monster\n\n 2004. Prize Crew\n\n 2004. Pulp Cover\n\n 2004. Rattler\n\n 2004. The Little Stranger\n\n 2005. Comber\n\n 2005. The Card\n\n 2005. The Gunner's Mate\n\n 2005. The Vampire Kiss\n\n 2005. Christmas Inn\n\n WIZARD KNIGHT\n\n 2006. Bea and Her Bird Brother\n\n 2006. On a Vacant Face a Bruise\n\n 2006. Sob in the Silence\n\n 2006. The On-Deck Circle\n\n 2006. Build-A-Bear\n\n 2006. Six from Atlantis\n\n 2006. The Old Woman in the Young Woman\n\n 2007. Green Glass\n\n 2007. Memorare\n\n 2007. The Hour of the Sheep\n\n 2007. The Magic Animal\n\n 2007. Unrequited Love\n\n PIRATE FREEDOM\n\n 2009. Donovan Sent Us\n\n 2009 Last Drink Bird Head\n\n EVIL GUEST\n\n 2010. Bloodsport\n\n 2010. Innocent\n\n 2010. Josh\n\n 2010. King Rat\n\n 2010. Leif in the Wind\n\n SORCERER’S HOUSE\n\n 2011. Why I Was Hanged\n\n 2011. Planetarium in Orbit\n\n 2011 The Giant\n\n HOME FIRES\n\n 2012. Dormanna\n\n 2012 Lithosphere Whale\n\n 2013 Uncaged\n\n 2013 Frost Free\n\n 2013 Sea of Memory\n\n THE LAND ACROSS" } ] }, { "message_id": "<008d01cfad9e$20b514d0$621f3e70$@de>", "from": { "name": "Nessun Saprà", "address": "nessun-sapra at web.de" }, "date": "2014-08-01T15:34:37+00:00", "subject": "(urth) short story project so far", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Good list, Marc. I have some slightly different publication dates in mine (which I have to check again). I am missing \"Kid Sister\", \"A visit from his confidant\" and \"Dumpster World\", though. Since the Bibliomen editions are different, you might include \"Captain Roy\" and \"Seaman\" which are only in the 1995 edition. And I am not sure about \"Last Drink Bird Head\". Wasn’t that the title of the whole volume?\n\nBest, Nessuno\n\n-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----\nVon: Urth [mailto:urth-bounces at lists.urth.net] Im Auftrag von Marc Aramini\nGesendet: Freitag, 1. August 2014 16:21\nAn: The Urth Mailing List\nBetreff: Re: (urth) short story project so far\n\nHere is the list compiled from the wolfe wiki with doubled stories removed and with a few missing ones added in.\n\nX Easter Sunday\n\n X1951. The Case of the Vanishing Ghost\n\n X1951. The Grave Secret\n\n X1965. The Dead Man\n\n X1966. Mountains Like Mice\n\n X1967. Screen Test\n\n X1967. The Green Wall Said\n\n X1967. Trip, Trap\n\n X1967. Volksweapon\n\n X1968. House of Ancestors\n\n X1968. The Changeling\n\n X1969. Paul's Treehouse\n\n X1970. A Method Bit in \"B\"\n\n X1970. Car Sinister\n\n X1970. Eyebem\n\n X1970. How the Whip Came Back\n\n X1970. King Under the Mountain\n\n X1970. Morning-Glory\n\n X1970. Of Relays and Roses\n\n X1970. Remembrance to Come\n\n X1970. Sonya, Crane Wessleman, and Kittee\n\n X1970. The Island of Doctor Death and Other Stories\n\n X1970. The Packerhaus Method\n\n X1970. The HORARS of War\n\n X1970. Thou Spark of Blood\n\n X1970 Operation Ares\n\n X1971. Slaves of Silver\n\n X1971. Sweet Forest Maid\n\n X1971. The Blue Mouse\n\n X1971. The Toy Theater\n\n X1971. Three Million Square Miles\n\n X1972. \"A Story\" by John V. Marsch\n\n X1972. Against the Lafayette Escadrille\n\n X1972. Alien Stones\n\n X1972. Beech Hill\n\n X1972. It's Very Clean\n\n X1972. Loco Parentis\n\n X1972. Mathoms from the Time Closet\n\n X1972. Robot's Story\n\n X1972. Tarzan of the Grapes\n\n X1972. The Fifth Head of Cerberus\n\n X1972. The Headless Man\n\n X1972. The Recording\n\n X1972. V. R. T.\n\n X1973. An Article About Hunting\n\n X1973. Beautyland\n\n X1973. Continuing Westward\n\n X1973. Feather Tigers\n\n X1973. Going to the Beach\n\n X1973. Hour of Trust\n\n X1973. How I Lost the Second World War and Helped Turn Back the German Invasion\n\n X1973. La Befana\n\n X1973. Peritonitis\n\n X1973. The Death of Dr. Island\n\n X1973. Westwind\n\n X1974. Cues\n\n X1974. From the Notebook of Dr. Stein\n\n X1974. Melting\n\n X1974. The Dark of the June\n\n X1974. The Death of Hyle\n\n X1974. The Rubber Bend\n\n 1974. Forlesen\n\n X1975 Peace\n\n X1975. Civis Laputus Sum\n\n X1975. St. Brandon (Excerpt)\n\n X1975. Straw\n\n X1975. Thag\n\n X1975. The Hero as Werwolf\n\n X1975. When I Was Ming the Merciless\n\n X1975. Tracking Song\n\n X1975. Silhouette\n\n X1976 Devil in a Forest\n\n 1976. The Eyeflash Miracles\n\n X1976. Three Fingers\n\n X1977. Many Mansions\n\n X1977. The Marvelous Brass Chessplaying Automaton\n\n X1977. To the Dark Tower Came\n\n X1978. Our Neighbour by David Copperfield\n\n 1978. Seven American Nights\n\n 1978. The Doctor of Death Island\n\n X1979. The Woman Who Loved the Centaur Pholus\n\n X1979. War Beneath the Tree\n\n X1980. A Criminal Proceeding\n\n 1980. In Looking-Glass Castle\n\n 1980. Kevin Malone\n\n 1980. Suzanne Delage\n\n 1980. The Adopted Father\n\n 1980. The Detective of Dreams\n\n 1980. The God and His Man\n\n THE BOOK OF THE NEW SUN\n\n 1981. A Cabin on the Coast\n\n X1981. The Tale of the Student and His Son\n\n X1981. The Woman the Unicorn Loved\n\n 1981. Date Due\n\n 1982. Cherry Jubilee\n\n X1982. Folia's Story: The Armiger's Daughter\n\n 1982. Last Day\n\n 1982. My Book\n\n 1982. The Last Thrilling Wonder Story\n\n 1983. A Solar Labyrinth\n\n 1983. Creation\n\n 1983. Death of the Island Doctor\n\n 1983. The River\n\n 1983. From the Desk of Gilmer C. Merton\n\n 1983. At the Volcano's Lip\n\n 1983. In the Mountains\n\n 1983. In the Old Hotel\n\n 1983. On the Train\n\n 1983. The Cat\n\n 1983 Love Among The Corridors\n\n 1984 Bibliomen\n\n 1984. Redbeard\n\n 1984. The Map\n\n 1985. The Boy Who Hooked the Sun\n\n 1985. The Green Rabbit from S'Rian\n\n 1985. The Nebraskan and the Nereid\n\n X1985. The Woman Who Went Out\n\n X1985. FREE LIVE FREE\n\n 1986. Checking Out\n\n 1986. Choice of the Black Goddess\n\n 1986. The Peace Spy\n\n 1987. All the Hues of Hell\n\n 1987. Empires of Foliage and Flower\n\n 1987. In the House of Gingerbread\n\n 1987. Parkroads: A Review\n\n 1987. The Arimaspian Legacy\n\n 1987. The Most Beautiful Woman on the World\n\n 1987. The Other Dead Man\n\n SOLDIER SERIES\n\n THERE ARE DOORS\n\n 1988. Alphabet\n\n 1988. At the Point of Capricorn\n\n 1988. Game in the Pope's Head\n\n 1988. Houston, 1943\n\n 1988. Lukora\n\n 1988. Read Me\n\n 1988. Sightings at Twin Mounds\n\n 1988. The Flag\n\n 1988. The Tale of the Rose and the Nightingale (And What Came of It)\n\n 1989. How the Bishop Sailed to Inniskeen\n\n 1989. Slow Children at Play\n\n 1989. The Friendship Light\n\n 1989. The Tale of the Four Accused\n\n PANDORA BY HOLLY HOLLANDER\nCASTLEVIEW\n\n 1990. Lord of the Land\n\n 1990. The Haunted Boardinghouse\n\n 1990. The Monday Man\n\n 1991. The Old Woman Whose Rolling Pin Is the Sun\n\n 1991. The Seraph From Its Sepulcher\n\n X1992. The Largest Luger\n\n X1992. The Last Casualty of Cambrai\n\n 1992. The Legend of Xi Cygnus\n\n 1992. The Sailor Who Sailed After the Sun\n\n 1993. And When They Appear\n\n 1993. Useful Phrases\n\n 1994. Queen of the Night\n\n BOOK OF THE LONG SUN\n\n 1995. The Death of Koshchei the Deathless\n\n 1995. The Ziggurat\n\n 1996. Ain't You 'Most Done?\n\n 1996. Bed And Breakfast\n\n 1996. Bluesberry Jam\n\n 1996. Counting Cats in Zanzibar\n\n 1996. One Two Three for Me\n\n 1996. The Man in the Pepper Mill\n\n 1996. To the Seventh\n\n 1996. Try and Kill It\n\n 1997. Flash Company\n\n 1997. No Planets Strike\n\n 1997. Petting Zoo\n\n 1997. Wolfer\n\n 1998. The Night Chough\n\n 1998. The Wrapper\n\n 1999. A Fish Story\n\n 1999. A Traveler in Desert Lands\n\n 1999. Has Anybody Seen Junie Moon?\n\n 1999. How I Got Three Zip Codes\n\n 1999. The Tree Is My Hat\n\n 1999. The Walking Sticks\n\n BOOK OF THE SHORT SUN\n\n 2000. Pocketsful of Diamonds\n\n 2000. The Eleventh City\n\n 2000. The Fat Magician\n\n 2001. Copperhead\n\n 2001. In Glory Like Their Star\n\n 2001. Queen\n\n 2001. Viewpoint\n\n 2002. From the Cradle\n\n 2002. Mute\n\n 2002. Shields of Mars\n\n 2002. The Dog of the Drops\n\n 2002. The Waif\n\n 2002. Under Hill\n\n 2002. A Walking Tour of the Shambles\n\n 2003. Black Shoes\n\n 2003. My Name is Nancy Wood\n\n 2003. Calamity Warps\n\n 2003. Castaway\n\n 2003. Graylord Man's Last Words\n\n 2003. Hunter Lake\n\n 2003. Of Soil And Climate\n\n 2003. Talk of Mandrakes\n\n 2003. The Lost Pilgrim\n\n 2004. Golden City Far\n\n 2004. Monster\n\n 2004. Prize Crew\n\n 2004. Pulp Cover\n\n 2004. Rattler\n\n 2004. The Little Stranger\n\n 2005. Comber\n\n 2005. The Card\n\n 2005. The Gunner's Mate\n\n 2005. The Vampire Kiss\n\n 2005. Christmas Inn\n\n WIZARD KNIGHT\n\n 2006. Bea and Her Bird Brother\n\n 2006. On a Vacant Face a Bruise\n\n 2006. Sob in the Silence\n\n 2006. The On-Deck Circle\n\n 2006. Build-A-Bear\n\n 2006. Six from Atlantis\n\n 2006. The Old Woman in the Young Woman\n\n 2007. Green Glass\n\n 2007. Memorare\n\n 2007. The Hour of the Sheep\n\n 2007. The Magic Animal\n\n 2007. Unrequited Love\n\n PIRATE FREEDOM\n\n 2009. Donovan Sent Us\n\n 2009 Last Drink Bird Head\n\n EVIL GUEST\n\n 2010. Bloodsport\n\n 2010. Innocent\n\n 2010. Josh\n\n 2010. King Rat\n\n 2010. Leif in the Wind\n\n SORCERER’S HOUSE\n\n 2011. Why I Was Hanged\n\n 2011. Planetarium in Orbit\n\n 2011 The Giant\n\n HOME FIRES\n\n 2012. Dormanna\n\n 2012 Lithosphere Whale\n\n 2013 Uncaged\n\n 2013 Frost Free\n\n 2013 Sea of Memory\n\n THE LAND ACROSS" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes", "address": "danldo at gmail.com" }, "date": "2014-08-01T15:39:56+00:00", "subject": "(urth) short story project so far", "in_reply_to": "<008d01cfad9e$20b514d0$621f3e70$@de>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Marc,\n\nI think it would be worth shopping it to university publishers wihtout the\nnovels - \"The Short Fiction of Gene Wolfe\" or something like that. Yes, it\nwould be long, but I've seen some huge volumes from U-presses." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Nessun Sapr? wrote:\nGood list, Marc. I have some slightly different publication dates in mine\n(which I have to check again). I am missing \"Kid Sister\", \"A visit from his\nconfidant\" and \"Dumpster World\", though. Since the Bibliomen editions are\ndifferent, you might include \"Captain Roy\" and \"Seaman\" which are only in\nthe 1995 edition. And I am not sure about \"Last Drink Bird Head\". Wasn’t\nthat the title of the whole volume?\n\nBest, Nessuno\n\n-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----\nVon: Urth [mailto:urth-bounces at lists.urth.net] Im Auftrag von Marc Aramini\nGesendet: Freitag, 1. August 2014 16:21\nAn: The Urth Mailing List\nBetreff: Re: (urth) short story project so far\n\nHere is the list compiled from the wolfe wiki with doubled stories removed\nand with a few missing ones added in.\n\nX Easter Sunday\n\n X1951. The Case of the Vanishing Ghost\n\n X1951. The Grave Secret\n\n X1965. The Dead Man\n\n X1966. Mountains Like Mice\n\n X1967. Screen Test\n\n X1967. The Green Wall Said\n\n X1967. Trip, Trap\n\n X1967. Volksweapon\n\n X1968. House of Ancestors\n\n X1968. The Changeling\n\n X1969. Paul's Treehouse\n\n X1970. A Method Bit in \"B\"\n\n X1970. Car Sinister\n\n X1970. Eyebem\n\n X1970. How the Whip Came Back\n\n X1970. King Under the Mountain\n\n X1970. Morning-Glory\n\n X1970. Of Relays and Roses\n\n X1970. Remembrance to Come\n\n X1970. Sonya, Crane Wessleman, and Kittee\n\n X1970. The Island of Doctor Death and Other Stories\n\n X1970. The Packerhaus Method\n\n X1970. The HORARS of War\n\n X1970. Thou Spark of Blood\n\n X1970 Operation Ares\n\n X1971. Slaves of Silver\n\n X1971. Sweet Forest Maid\n\n X1971. The Blue Mouse\n\n X1971. The Toy Theater\n\n X1971. Three Million Square Miles\n\n X1972. \"A Story\" by John V. Marsch\n\n X1972. Against the Lafayette Escadrille\n\n X1972. Alien Stones\n\n X1972. Beech Hill\n\n X1972. It's Very Clean\n\n X1972. Loco Parentis\n\n X1972. Mathoms from the Time Closet\n\n X1972. Robot's Story\n\n X1972. Tarzan of the Grapes\n\n X1972. The Fifth Head of Cerberus\n\n X1972. The Headless Man\n\n X1972. The Recording\n\n X1972. V. R. T.\n\n X1973. An Article About Hunting\n\n X1973. Beautyland\n\n X1973. Continuing Westward\n\n X1973. Feather Tigers\n\n X1973. Going to the Beach\n\n X1973. Hour of Trust\n\n X1973. How I Lost the Second World War and Helped Turn Back the German\nInvasion\n\n X1973. La Befana\n\n X1973. Peritonitis\n\n X1973. The Death of Dr. Island\n\n X1973. Westwind\n\n X1974. Cues\n\n X1974. From the Notebook of Dr. Stein\n\n X1974. Melting\n\n X1974. The Dark of the June\n\n X1974. The Death of Hyle\n\n X1974. The Rubber Bend\n\n 1974. Forlesen\n\n X1975 Peace\n\n X1975. Civis Laputus Sum\n\n X1975. St. Brandon (Excerpt)\n\n X1975. Straw\n\n X1975. Thag\n\n X1975. The Hero as Werwolf\n\n X1975. When I Was Ming the Merciless\n\n X1975. Tracking Song\n\n X1975. Silhouette\n\n X1976 Devil in a Forest\n\n 1976. The Eyeflash Miracles\n\n X1976. Three Fingers\n\n X1977. Many Mansions\n\n X1977. The Marvelous Brass Chessplaying Automaton\n\n X1977. To the Dark Tower Came\n\n X1978. Our Neighbour by David Copperfield\n\n 1978. Seven American Nights\n\n 1978. The Doctor of Death Island\n\n X1979. The Woman Who Loved the Centaur Pholus\n\n X1979. War Beneath the Tree\n\n X1980. A Criminal Proceeding\n\n 1980. In Looking-Glass Castle\n\n 1980. Kevin Malone\n\n 1980. Suzanne Delage\n\n 1980. The Adopted Father\n\n 1980. The Detective of Dreams\n\n 1980. The God and His Man\n\n THE BOOK OF THE NEW SUN\n\n 1981. A Cabin on the Coast\n\n X1981. The Tale of the Student and His Son\n\n X1981. The Woman the Unicorn Loved\n\n 1981. Date Due\n\n 1982. Cherry Jubilee\n\n X1982. Folia's Story: The Armiger's Daughter\n\n 1982. Last Day\n\n 1982. My Book\n\n 1982. The Last Thrilling Wonder Story\n\n 1983. A Solar Labyrinth\n\n 1983. Creation\n\n 1983. Death of the Island Doctor\n\n 1983. The River\n\n 1983. From the Desk of Gilmer C. Merton\n\n 1983. At the Volcano's Lip\n\n 1983. In the Mountains\n\n 1983. In the Old Hotel\n\n 1983. On the Train\n\n 1983. The Cat\n\n 1983 Love Among The Corridors\n\n 1984 Bibliomen\n\n 1984. Redbeard\n\n 1984. The Map\n\n 1985. The Boy Who Hooked the Sun\n\n 1985. The Green Rabbit from S'Rian\n\n 1985. The Nebraskan and the Nereid\n\n X1985. The Woman Who Went Out\n\n X1985. FREE LIVE FREE\n\n 1986. Checking Out\n\n 1986. Choice of the Black Goddess\n\n 1986. The Peace Spy\n\n 1987. All the Hues of Hell\n\n 1987. Empires of Foliage and Flower\n\n 1987. In the House of Gingerbread\n\n 1987. Parkroads: A Review\n\n 1987. The Arimaspian Legacy\n\n 1987. The Most Beautiful Woman on the World\n\n 1987. The Other Dead Man\n\n SOLDIER SERIES\n\n THERE ARE DOORS\n\n 1988. Alphabet\n\n 1988. At the Point of Capricorn\n\n 1988. Game in the Pope's Head\n\n 1988. Houston, 1943\n\n 1988. Lukora\n\n 1988. Read Me\n\n 1988. Sightings at Twin Mounds\n\n 1988. The Flag\n\n 1988. The Tale of the Rose and the Nightingale (And What Came of It)\n\n 1989. How the Bishop Sailed to Inniskeen\n\n 1989. Slow Children at Play\n\n 1989. The Friendship Light\n\n 1989. The Tale of the Four Accused\n\n PANDORA BY HOLLY HOLLANDER\nCASTLEVIEW\n\n 1990. Lord of the Land\n\n 1990. The Haunted Boardinghouse\n\n 1990. The Monday Man\n\n 1991. The Old Woman Whose Rolling Pin Is the Sun\n\n 1991. The Seraph From Its Sepulcher\n\n X1992. The Largest Luger\n\n X1992. The Last Casualty of Cambrai\n\n 1992. The Legend of Xi Cygnus\n\n 1992. The Sailor Who Sailed After the Sun\n\n 1993. And When They Appear\n\n 1993. Useful Phrases\n\n 1994. Queen of the Night\n\n BOOK OF THE LONG SUN\n\n 1995. The Death of Koshchei the Deathless\n\n 1995. The Ziggurat\n\n 1996. Ain't You 'Most Done?\n\n 1996. Bed And Breakfast\n\n 1996. Bluesberry Jam\n\n 1996. Counting Cats in Zanzibar\n\n 1996. One Two Three for Me\n\n 1996. The Man in the Pepper Mill\n\n 1996. To the Seventh\n\n 1996. Try and Kill It\n\n 1997. Flash Company\n\n 1997. No Planets Strike\n\n 1997. Petting Zoo\n\n 1997. Wolfer\n\n 1998. The Night Chough\n\n 1998. The Wrapper\n\n 1999. A Fish Story\n\n 1999. A Traveler in Desert Lands\n\n 1999. Has Anybody Seen Junie Moon?\n\n 1999. How I Got Three Zip Codes\n\n 1999. The Tree Is My Hat\n\n 1999. The Walking Sticks\n\n BOOK OF THE SHORT SUN\n\n 2000. Pocketsful of Diamonds\n\n 2000. The Eleventh City\n\n 2000. The Fat Magician\n\n 2001. Copperhead\n\n 2001. In Glory Like Their Star\n\n 2001. Queen\n\n 2001. Viewpoint\n\n 2002. From the Cradle\n\n 2002. Mute\n\n 2002. Shields of Mars\n\n 2002. The Dog of the Drops\n\n 2002. The Waif\n\n 2002. Under Hill\n\n 2002. A Walking Tour of the Shambles\n\n 2003. Black Shoes\n\n 2003. My Name is Nancy Wood\n\n 2003. Calamity Warps\n\n 2003. Castaway\n\n 2003. Graylord Man's Last Words\n\n 2003. Hunter Lake\n\n 2003. Of Soil And Climate\n\n 2003. Talk of Mandrakes\n\n 2003. The Lost Pilgrim\n\n 2004. Golden City Far\n\n 2004. Monster\n\n 2004. Prize Crew\n\n 2004. Pulp Cover\n\n 2004. Rattler\n\n 2004. The Little Stranger\n\n 2005. Comber\n\n 2005. The Card\n\n 2005. The Gunner's Mate\n\n 2005. The Vampire Kiss\n\n 2005. Christmas Inn\n\n WIZARD KNIGHT\n\n 2006. Bea and Her Bird Brother\n\n 2006. On a Vacant Face a Bruise\n\n 2006. Sob in the Silence\n\n 2006. The On-Deck Circle\n\n 2006. Build-A-Bear\n\n 2006. Six from Atlantis\n\n 2006. The Old Woman in the Young Woman\n\n 2007. Green Glass\n\n 2007. Memorare\n\n 2007. The Hour of the Sheep\n\n 2007. The Magic Animal\n\n 2007. Unrequited Love\n\n PIRATE FREEDOM\n\n 2009. Donovan Sent Us\n\n 2009 Last Drink Bird Head\n\n EVIL GUEST\n\n 2010. Bloodsport\n\n 2010. Innocent\n\n 2010. Josh\n\n 2010. King Rat\n\n 2010. Leif in the Wind\n\n SORCERER’S HOUSE\n\n 2011. Why I Was Hanged\n\n 2011. Planetarium in Orbit\n\n 2011 The Giant\n\n HOME FIRES\n\n 2012. Dormanna\n\n 2012 Lithosphere Whale\n\n 2013 Uncaged\n\n 2013 Frost Free\n\n 2013 Sea of Memory\n\n THE LAND ACROSS\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Marc Aramini", "address": "marcaramini at gmail.com" }, "date": "2014-08-01T16:27:51+00:00", "subject": "(urth) short story project so far", "in_reply_to": "<008d01cfad9e$20b514d0$621f3e70$@de>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Yes, that was the whole volume, Last Drink Bird Head. I will look up\nthe individual story title. I had never heard of Dumpster World\nbefore, a mock review of his own fiction, but found it online. Can't\nfind anything about \"A visit from his confidant\" ... what is that and\nwhere is it? Do you have a copy? Kid Sister is nonfiction so I didn't\ninclude it but will talk about it when I cover \"How I Got Three Zip\nCodes\" as well as the intro to Brian Hopkins Phoenix, which is the\nsame story told in Kid Sister more poetically." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Nessun Sapr? wrote:\nGood list, Marc. I have some slightly different publication dates in mine (which I have to check again). I am missing \"Kid Sister\", \"A visit from his confidant\" and \"Dumpster World\", though. Since the Bibliomen editions are different, you might include \"Captain Roy\" and \"Seaman\" which are only in the 1995 edition. And I am not sure about \"Last Drink Bird Head\". Wasn’t that the title of the whole volume?\n\nBest, Nessuno\n\n-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----\nVon: Urth [mailto:urth-bounces at lists.urth.net] Im Auftrag von Marc Aramini\nGesendet: Freitag, 1. August 2014 16:21\nAn: The Urth Mailing List\nBetreff: Re: (urth) short story project so far\n\nHere is the list compiled from the wolfe wiki with doubled stories removed and with a few missing ones added in.\n\nX Easter Sunday\n\n X1951. The Case of the Vanishing Ghost\n\n X1951. The Grave Secret\n\n X1965. The Dead Man\n\n X1966. Mountains Like Mice\n\n X1967. Screen Test\n\n X1967. The Green Wall Said\n\n X1967. Trip, Trap\n\n X1967. Volksweapon\n\n X1968. House of Ancestors\n\n X1968. The Changeling\n\n X1969. Paul's Treehouse\n\n X1970. A Method Bit in \"B\"\n\n X1970. Car Sinister\n\n X1970. Eyebem\n\n X1970. How the Whip Came Back\n\n X1970. King Under the Mountain\n\n X1970. Morning-Glory\n\n X1970. Of Relays and Roses\n\n X1970. Remembrance to Come\n\n X1970. Sonya, Crane Wessleman, and Kittee\n\n X1970. The Island of Doctor Death and Other Stories\n\n X1970. The Packerhaus Method\n\n X1970. The HORARS of War\n\n X1970. Thou Spark of Blood\n\n X1970 Operation Ares\n\n X1971. Slaves of Silver\n\n X1971. Sweet Forest Maid\n\n X1971. The Blue Mouse\n\n X1971. The Toy Theater\n\n X1971. Three Million Square Miles\n\n X1972. \"A Story\" by John V. Marsch\n\n X1972. Against the Lafayette Escadrille\n\n X1972. Alien Stones\n\n X1972. Beech Hill\n\n X1972. It's Very Clean\n\n X1972. Loco Parentis\n\n X1972. Mathoms from the Time Closet\n\n X1972. Robot's Story\n\n X1972. Tarzan of the Grapes\n\n X1972. The Fifth Head of Cerberus\n\n X1972. The Headless Man\n\n X1972. The Recording\n\n X1972. V. R. T.\n\n X1973. An Article About Hunting\n\n X1973. Beautyland\n\n X1973. Continuing Westward\n\n X1973. Feather Tigers\n\n X1973. Going to the Beach\n\n X1973. Hour of Trust\n\n X1973. How I Lost the Second World War and Helped Turn Back the German Invasion\n\n X1973. La Befana\n\n X1973. Peritonitis\n\n X1973. The Death of Dr. Island\n\n X1973. Westwind\n\n X1974. Cues\n\n X1974. From the Notebook of Dr. Stein\n\n X1974. Melting\n\n X1974. The Dark of the June\n\n X1974. The Death of Hyle\n\n X1974. The Rubber Bend\n\n 1974. Forlesen\n\n X1975 Peace\n\n X1975. Civis Laputus Sum\n\n X1975. St. Brandon (Excerpt)\n\n X1975. Straw\n\n X1975. Thag\n\n X1975. The Hero as Werwolf\n\n X1975. When I Was Ming the Merciless\n\n X1975. Tracking Song\n\n X1975. Silhouette\n\n X1976 Devil in a Forest\n\n 1976. The Eyeflash Miracles\n\n X1976. Three Fingers\n\n X1977. Many Mansions\n\n X1977. The Marvelous Brass Chessplaying Automaton\n\n X1977. To the Dark Tower Came\n\n X1978. Our Neighbour by David Copperfield\n\n 1978. Seven American Nights\n\n 1978. The Doctor of Death Island\n\n X1979. The Woman Who Loved the Centaur Pholus\n\n X1979. War Beneath the Tree\n\n X1980. A Criminal Proceeding\n\n 1980. In Looking-Glass Castle\n\n 1980. Kevin Malone\n\n 1980. Suzanne Delage\n\n 1980. The Adopted Father\n\n 1980. The Detective of Dreams\n\n 1980. The God and His Man\n\n THE BOOK OF THE NEW SUN\n\n 1981. A Cabin on the Coast\n\n X1981. The Tale of the Student and His Son\n\n X1981. The Woman the Unicorn Loved\n\n 1981. Date Due\n\n 1982. Cherry Jubilee\n\n X1982. Folia's Story: The Armiger's Daughter\n\n 1982. Last Day\n\n 1982. My Book\n\n 1982. The Last Thrilling Wonder Story\n\n 1983. A Solar Labyrinth\n\n 1983. Creation\n\n 1983. Death of the Island Doctor\n\n 1983. The River\n\n 1983. From the Desk of Gilmer C. Merton\n\n 1983. At the Volcano's Lip\n\n 1983. In the Mountains\n\n 1983. In the Old Hotel\n\n 1983. On the Train\n\n 1983. The Cat\n\n 1983 Love Among The Corridors\n\n 1984 Bibliomen\n\n 1984. Redbeard\n\n 1984. The Map\n\n 1985. The Boy Who Hooked the Sun\n\n 1985. The Green Rabbit from S'Rian\n\n 1985. The Nebraskan and the Nereid\n\n X1985. The Woman Who Went Out\n\n X1985. FREE LIVE FREE\n\n 1986. Checking Out\n\n 1986. Choice of the Black Goddess\n\n 1986. The Peace Spy\n\n 1987. All the Hues of Hell\n\n 1987. Empires of Foliage and Flower\n\n 1987. In the House of Gingerbread\n\n 1987. Parkroads: A Review\n\n 1987. The Arimaspian Legacy\n\n 1987. The Most Beautiful Woman on the World\n\n 1987. The Other Dead Man\n\n SOLDIER SERIES\n\n THERE ARE DOORS\n\n 1988. Alphabet\n\n 1988. At the Point of Capricorn\n\n 1988. Game in the Pope's Head\n\n 1988. Houston, 1943\n\n 1988. Lukora\n\n 1988. Read Me\n\n 1988. Sightings at Twin Mounds\n\n 1988. The Flag\n\n 1988. The Tale of the Rose and the Nightingale (And What Came of It)\n\n 1989. How the Bishop Sailed to Inniskeen\n\n 1989. Slow Children at Play\n\n 1989. The Friendship Light\n\n 1989. The Tale of the Four Accused\n\n PANDORA BY HOLLY HOLLANDER\nCASTLEVIEW\n\n 1990. Lord of the Land\n\n 1990. The Haunted Boardinghouse\n\n 1990. The Monday Man\n\n 1991. The Old Woman Whose Rolling Pin Is the Sun\n\n 1991. The Seraph From Its Sepulcher\n\n X1992. The Largest Luger\n\n X1992. The Last Casualty of Cambrai\n\n 1992. The Legend of Xi Cygnus\n\n 1992. The Sailor Who Sailed After the Sun\n\n 1993. And When They Appear\n\n 1993. Useful Phrases\n\n 1994. Queen of the Night\n\n BOOK OF THE LONG SUN\n\n 1995. The Death of Koshchei the Deathless\n\n 1995. The Ziggurat\n\n 1996. Ain't You 'Most Done?\n\n 1996. Bed And Breakfast\n\n 1996. Bluesberry Jam\n\n 1996. Counting Cats in Zanzibar\n\n 1996. One Two Three for Me\n\n 1996. The Man in the Pepper Mill\n\n 1996. To the Seventh\n\n 1996. Try and Kill It\n\n 1997. Flash Company\n\n 1997. No Planets Strike\n\n 1997. Petting Zoo\n\n 1997. Wolfer\n\n 1998. The Night Chough\n\n 1998. The Wrapper\n\n 1999. A Fish Story\n\n 1999. A Traveler in Desert Lands\n\n 1999. Has Anybody Seen Junie Moon?\n\n 1999. How I Got Three Zip Codes\n\n 1999. The Tree Is My Hat\n\n 1999. The Walking Sticks\n\n BOOK OF THE SHORT SUN\n\n 2000. Pocketsful of Diamonds\n\n 2000. The Eleventh City\n\n 2000. The Fat Magician\n\n 2001. Copperhead\n\n 2001. In Glory Like Their Star\n\n 2001. Queen\n\n 2001. Viewpoint\n\n 2002. From the Cradle\n\n 2002. Mute\n\n 2002. Shields of Mars\n\n 2002. The Dog of the Drops\n\n 2002. The Waif\n\n 2002. Under Hill\n\n 2002. A Walking Tour of the Shambles\n\n 2003. Black Shoes\n\n 2003. My Name is Nancy Wood\n\n 2003. Calamity Warps\n\n 2003. Castaway\n\n 2003. Graylord Man's Last Words\n\n 2003. Hunter Lake\n\n 2003. Of Soil And Climate\n\n 2003. Talk of Mandrakes\n\n 2003. The Lost Pilgrim\n\n 2004. Golden City Far\n\n 2004. Monster\n\n 2004. Prize Crew\n\n 2004. Pulp Cover\n\n 2004. Rattler\n\n 2004. The Little Stranger\n\n 2005. Comber\n\n 2005. The Card\n\n 2005. The Gunner's Mate\n\n 2005. The Vampire Kiss\n\n 2005. Christmas Inn\n\n WIZARD KNIGHT\n\n 2006. Bea and Her Bird Brother\n\n 2006. On a Vacant Face a Bruise\n\n 2006. Sob in the Silence\n\n 2006. The On-Deck Circle\n\n 2006. Build-A-Bear\n\n 2006. Six from Atlantis\n\n 2006. The Old Woman in the Young Woman\n\n 2007. Green Glass\n\n 2007. Memorare\n\n 2007. The Hour of the Sheep\n\n 2007. The Magic Animal\n\n 2007. Unrequited Love\n\n PIRATE FREEDOM\n\n 2009. Donovan Sent Us\n\n 2009 Last Drink Bird Head\n\n EVIL GUEST\n\n 2010. Bloodsport\n\n 2010. Innocent\n\n 2010. Josh\n\n 2010. King Rat\n\n 2010. Leif in the Wind\n\n SORCERER’S HOUSE\n\n 2011. Why I Was Hanged\n\n 2011. Planetarium in Orbit\n\n 2011 The Giant\n\n HOME FIRES\n\n 2012. Dormanna\n\n 2012 Lithosphere Whale\n\n 2013 Uncaged\n\n 2013 Frost Free\n\n 2013 Sea of Memory\n\n THE LAND ACROSS\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Marc Aramini", "address": "marcaramini at gmail.com" }, "date": "2014-08-01T16:31:07+00:00", "subject": "(urth) short story project so far", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 8:39 AM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:\nMarc,\n\nI think it would be worth shopping it to university publishers wihtout the\nnovels - \"The Short Fiction of Gene Wolfe\" or something like that. Yes, it\nwould be long, but I've seen some huge volumes from U-presses." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "The novels are discussed with fairly short essays and have some of my\nbest observations - latro as ares, Skip as sleeper assassin, Number\nFive as the only human, Marsch as shadow child, Typhon as Silk's\nfather, Ben Free as America, etc. I would want it to be a holistic\nkind of work. That would probably only add maybe 150 pages. Maybe\n200." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes", "address": "danldo at gmail.com" }, "date": "2014-08-01T16:31:50+00:00", "subject": "(urth) short story project so far", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Then I would suggest two volumes, \"the short fiction of\" and \"the novels\nof.\"" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Marc Aramini wrote:\nOn Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 8:39 AM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes \nwrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Marc,\n\nI think it would be worth shopping it to university publishers wihtout\nthe\nnovels - \"The Short Fiction of Gene Wolfe\" or something like that. Yes,\nit\nwould be long, but I've seen some huge volumes from U-presses." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "The novels are discussed with fairly short essays and have some of my\nbest observations - latro as ares, Skip as sleeper assassin, Number\nFive as the only human, Marsch as shadow child, Typhon as Silk's\nfather, Ben Free as America, etc. I would want it to be a holistic\nkind of work. That would probably only add maybe 150 pages. Maybe\n200.\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<00bb01cfada7$fd6cbfa0$f8463ee0$@de>", "from": { "name": "Nessun Saprà", "address": "nessun-sapra at web.de" }, "date": "2014-08-01T16:44:49+00:00", "subject": "(urth) short story project so far", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "\"A visit ...\" is a Mark-Twain-Story, published in: Brody, Ellen; Duffy, Richard (eds.): Readercon 22: Souvenir Book (2011), pp. 65?6. PN me for a copy. Nessuno\n\n-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----\nVon: Urth [mailto:urth-bounces at lists.urth.net] Im Auftrag von Marc Aramini\nGesendet: Freitag, 1. August 2014 18:28\nAn: The Urth Mailing List\nBetreff: Re: (urth) short story project so far\n\nYes, that was the whole volume, Last Drink Bird Head. I will look up the individual story title. I had never heard of Dumpster World before, a mock review of his own fiction, but found it online. Can't find anything about \"A visit from his confidant\" ... what is that and where is it? Do you have a copy? Kid Sister is nonfiction so I didn't include it but will talk about it when I cover \"How I Got Three Zip Codes\" as well as the intro to Brian Hopkins Phoenix, which is the same story told in Kid Sister more poetically." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Nessun Sapr? wrote:\nGood list, Marc. I have some slightly different publication dates in mine (which I have to check again). I am missing \"Kid Sister\", \"A visit from his confidant\" and \"Dumpster World\", though. Since the Bibliomen editions are different, you might include \"Captain Roy\" and \"Seaman\" which are only in the 1995 edition. And I am not sure about \"Last Drink Bird Head\". Wasn’t that the title of the whole volume?\n\nBest, Nessuno\n\n-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----\nVon: Urth [mailto:urth-bounces at lists.urth.net] Im Auftrag von Marc \nAramini\nGesendet: Freitag, 1. August 2014 16:21\nAn: The Urth Mailing List\nBetreff: Re: (urth) short story project so far\n\nHere is the list compiled from the wolfe wiki with doubled stories removed and with a few missing ones added in.\n\nX Easter Sunday\n\n X1951. The Case of the Vanishing Ghost\n\n X1951. The Grave Secret\n\n X1965. The Dead Man\n\n X1966. Mountains Like Mice\n\n X1967. Screen Test\n\n X1967. The Green Wall Said\n\n X1967. Trip, Trap\n\n X1967. Volksweapon\n\n X1968. House of Ancestors\n\n X1968. The Changeling\n\n X1969. Paul's Treehouse\n\n X1970. A Method Bit in \"B\"\n\n X1970. Car Sinister\n\n X1970. Eyebem\n\n X1970. How the Whip Came Back\n\n X1970. King Under the Mountain\n\n X1970. Morning-Glory\n\n X1970. Of Relays and Roses\n\n X1970. Remembrance to Come\n\n X1970. Sonya, Crane Wessleman, and Kittee\n\n X1970. The Island of Doctor Death and Other Stories\n\n X1970. The Packerhaus Method\n\n X1970. The HORARS of War\n\n X1970. Thou Spark of Blood\n\n X1970 Operation Ares\n\n X1971. Slaves of Silver\n\n X1971. Sweet Forest Maid\n\n X1971. The Blue Mouse\n\n X1971. The Toy Theater\n\n X1971. Three Million Square Miles\n\n X1972. \"A Story\" by John V. Marsch\n\n X1972. Against the Lafayette Escadrille\n\n X1972. Alien Stones\n\n X1972. Beech Hill\n\n X1972. It's Very Clean\n\n X1972. Loco Parentis\n\n X1972. Mathoms from the Time Closet\n\n X1972. Robot's Story\n\n X1972. Tarzan of the Grapes\n\n X1972. The Fifth Head of Cerberus\n\n X1972. The Headless Man\n\n X1972. The Recording\n\n X1972. V. R. T.\n\n X1973. An Article About Hunting\n\n X1973. Beautyland\n\n X1973. Continuing Westward\n\n X1973. Feather Tigers\n\n X1973. Going to the Beach\n\n X1973. Hour of Trust\n\n X1973. How I Lost the Second World War and Helped Turn Back the \nGerman Invasion\n\n X1973. La Befana\n\n X1973. Peritonitis\n\n X1973. The Death of Dr. Island\n\n X1973. Westwind\n\n X1974. Cues\n\n X1974. From the Notebook of Dr. Stein\n\n X1974. Melting\n\n X1974. The Dark of the June\n\n X1974. The Death of Hyle\n\n X1974. The Rubber Bend\n\n 1974. Forlesen\n\n X1975 Peace\n\n X1975. Civis Laputus Sum\n\n X1975. St. Brandon (Excerpt)\n\n X1975. Straw\n\n X1975. Thag\n\n X1975. The Hero as Werwolf\n\n X1975. When I Was Ming the Merciless\n\n X1975. Tracking Song\n\n X1975. Silhouette\n\n X1976 Devil in a Forest\n\n 1976. The Eyeflash Miracles\n\n X1976. Three Fingers\n\n X1977. Many Mansions\n\n X1977. The Marvelous Brass Chessplaying Automaton\n\n X1977. To the Dark Tower Came\n\n X1978. Our Neighbour by David Copperfield\n\n 1978. Seven American Nights\n\n 1978. The Doctor of Death Island\n\n X1979. The Woman Who Loved the Centaur Pholus\n\n X1979. War Beneath the Tree\n\n X1980. A Criminal Proceeding\n\n 1980. In Looking-Glass Castle\n\n 1980. Kevin Malone\n\n 1980. Suzanne Delage\n\n 1980. The Adopted Father\n\n 1980. The Detective of Dreams\n\n 1980. The God and His Man\n\n THE BOOK OF THE NEW SUN\n\n 1981. A Cabin on the Coast\n\n X1981. The Tale of the Student and His Son\n\n X1981. The Woman the Unicorn Loved\n\n 1981. Date Due\n\n 1982. Cherry Jubilee\n\n X1982. Folia's Story: The Armiger's Daughter\n\n 1982. Last Day\n\n 1982. My Book\n\n 1982. The Last Thrilling Wonder Story\n\n 1983. A Solar Labyrinth\n\n 1983. Creation\n\n 1983. Death of the Island Doctor\n\n 1983. The River\n\n 1983. From the Desk of Gilmer C. Merton\n\n 1983. At the Volcano's Lip\n\n 1983. In the Mountains\n\n 1983. In the Old Hotel\n\n 1983. On the Train\n\n 1983. The Cat\n\n 1983 Love Among The Corridors\n\n 1984 Bibliomen\n\n 1984. Redbeard\n\n 1984. The Map\n\n 1985. The Boy Who Hooked the Sun\n\n 1985. The Green Rabbit from S'Rian\n\n 1985. The Nebraskan and the Nereid\n\n X1985. The Woman Who Went Out\n\n X1985. FREE LIVE FREE\n\n 1986. Checking Out\n\n 1986. Choice of the Black Goddess\n\n 1986. The Peace Spy\n\n 1987. All the Hues of Hell\n\n 1987. Empires of Foliage and Flower\n\n 1987. In the House of Gingerbread\n\n 1987. Parkroads: A Review\n\n 1987. The Arimaspian Legacy\n\n 1987. The Most Beautiful Woman on the World\n\n 1987. The Other Dead Man\n\n SOLDIER SERIES\n\n THERE ARE DOORS\n\n 1988. Alphabet\n\n 1988. At the Point of Capricorn\n\n 1988. Game in the Pope's Head\n\n 1988. Houston, 1943\n\n 1988. Lukora\n\n 1988. Read Me\n\n 1988. Sightings at Twin Mounds\n\n 1988. The Flag\n\n 1988. The Tale of the Rose and the Nightingale (And What Came of It)\n\n 1989. How the Bishop Sailed to Inniskeen\n\n 1989. Slow Children at Play\n\n 1989. The Friendship Light\n\n 1989. The Tale of the Four Accused\n\n PANDORA BY HOLLY HOLLANDER\nCASTLEVIEW\n\n 1990. Lord of the Land\n\n 1990. The Haunted Boardinghouse\n\n 1990. The Monday Man\n\n 1991. The Old Woman Whose Rolling Pin Is the Sun\n\n 1991. The Seraph From Its Sepulcher\n\n X1992. The Largest Luger\n\n X1992. The Last Casualty of Cambrai\n\n 1992. The Legend of Xi Cygnus\n\n 1992. The Sailor Who Sailed After the Sun\n\n 1993. And When They Appear\n\n 1993. Useful Phrases\n\n 1994. Queen of the Night\n\n BOOK OF THE LONG SUN\n\n 1995. The Death of Koshchei the Deathless\n\n 1995. The Ziggurat\n\n 1996. Ain't You 'Most Done?\n\n 1996. Bed And Breakfast\n\n 1996. Bluesberry Jam\n\n 1996. Counting Cats in Zanzibar\n\n 1996. One Two Three for Me\n\n 1996. The Man in the Pepper Mill\n\n 1996. To the Seventh\n\n 1996. Try and Kill It\n\n 1997. Flash Company\n\n 1997. No Planets Strike\n\n 1997. Petting Zoo\n\n 1997. Wolfer\n\n 1998. The Night Chough\n\n 1998. The Wrapper\n\n 1999. A Fish Story\n\n 1999. A Traveler in Desert Lands\n\n 1999. Has Anybody Seen Junie Moon?\n\n 1999. How I Got Three Zip Codes\n\n 1999. The Tree Is My Hat\n\n 1999. The Walking Sticks\n\n BOOK OF THE SHORT SUN\n\n 2000. Pocketsful of Diamonds\n\n 2000. The Eleventh City\n\n 2000. The Fat Magician\n\n 2001. Copperhead\n\n 2001. In Glory Like Their Star\n\n 2001. Queen\n\n 2001. Viewpoint\n\n 2002. From the Cradle\n\n 2002. Mute\n\n 2002. Shields of Mars\n\n 2002. The Dog of the Drops\n\n 2002. The Waif\n\n 2002. Under Hill\n\n 2002. A Walking Tour of the Shambles\n\n 2003. Black Shoes\n\n 2003. My Name is Nancy Wood\n\n 2003. Calamity Warps\n\n 2003. Castaway\n\n 2003. Graylord Man's Last Words\n\n 2003. Hunter Lake\n\n 2003. Of Soil And Climate\n\n 2003. Talk of Mandrakes\n\n 2003. The Lost Pilgrim\n\n 2004. Golden City Far\n\n 2004. Monster\n\n 2004. Prize Crew\n\n 2004. Pulp Cover\n\n 2004. Rattler\n\n 2004. The Little Stranger\n\n 2005. Comber\n\n 2005. The Card\n\n 2005. The Gunner's Mate\n\n 2005. The Vampire Kiss\n\n 2005. Christmas Inn\n\n WIZARD KNIGHT\n\n 2006. Bea and Her Bird Brother\n\n 2006. On a Vacant Face a Bruise\n\n 2006. Sob in the Silence\n\n 2006. The On-Deck Circle\n\n 2006. Build-A-Bear\n\n 2006. Six from Atlantis\n\n 2006. The Old Woman in the Young Woman\n\n 2007. Green Glass\n\n 2007. Memorare\n\n 2007. The Hour of the Sheep\n\n 2007. The Magic Animal\n\n 2007. Unrequited Love\n\n PIRATE FREEDOM\n\n 2009. Donovan Sent Us\n\n 2009 Last Drink Bird Head\n\n EVIL GUEST\n\n 2010. Bloodsport\n\n 2010. Innocent\n\n 2010. Josh\n\n 2010. King Rat\n\n 2010. Leif in the Wind\n\n SORCERER’S HOUSE\n\n 2011. Why I Was Hanged\n\n 2011. Planetarium in Orbit\n\n 2011 The Giant\n\n HOME FIRES\n\n 2012. Dormanna\n\n 2012 Lithosphere Whale\n\n 2013 Uncaged\n\n 2013 Frost Free\n\n 2013 Sea of Memory\n\n THE LAND ACROSS\n_______________________________________________\nUrth Mailing List\nTo post, write urth at urth.net\nSubscription/information: http://www.urth.net\n\n_______________________________________________\nUrth Mailing List\nTo post, write urth at urth.net\nSubscription/information: http://www.urth.net" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Matthew King", "address": "automatthew at gmail.com" }, "date": "2014-08-01T17:00:38+00:00", "subject": "(urth) short story project so far", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Aug 1, 2014, at 11:31 AM, \"Dan'l Danehy-Oakes\" wrote:\nThen I would suggest two volumes, \"the short fiction of\" and \"the novels of.\"" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Book of the Short Fiction, Book of the Long Fiction" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Antonin Scriabin", "address": "kierkegaurdian at gmail.com" }, "date": "2014-08-01T17:05:03+00:00", "subject": "(urth) short story project so far", "in_reply_to": "<00bb01cfada7$fd6cbfa0$f8463ee0$@de>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Is it possible Tor would be interested? They seem to be fans of Wolfe and\npublish things like collections in honor of Vance and the Peace reprinting.\nAnother possibility is McSweeneys. They have published all sorts of\nstrange, big projects, like Vollman's 3,000 page, 7 volume \"Rising Up and\nRising Down\". Not sure if Wolfe would be hipster-cool enough for them,\nhowever." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Aug 1, 2014 12:45 PM, \"Nessun Sapr?\" wrote:\n\"A visit ...\" is a Mark-Twain-Story, published in: Brody, Ellen; Duffy,\nRichard (eds.): Readercon 22: Souvenir Book (2011), pp. 65?6. PN me for a\ncopy. Nessuno\n\n-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----\nVon: Urth [mailto:urth-bounces at lists.urth.net] Im Auftrag von Marc Aramini\nGesendet: Freitag, 1. August 2014 18:28\nAn: The Urth Mailing List\nBetreff: Re: (urth) short story project so far\n\nYes, that was the whole volume, Last Drink Bird Head. I will look up the\nindividual story title. I had never heard of Dumpster World before, a mock\nreview of his own fiction, but found it online. Can't find anything about\n\"A visit from his confidant\" ... what is that and where is it? Do you have\na copy? Kid Sister is nonfiction so I didn't include it but will talk about\nit when I cover \"How I Got Three Zip Codes\" as well as the intro to Brian\nHopkins Phoenix, which is the same story told in Kid Sister more poetically.\n\nOn Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Nessun Sapr? wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Good list, Marc. I have some slightly different publication dates in\nmine (which I have to check again). I am missing \"Kid Sister\", \"A visit\nfrom his confidant\" and \"Dumpster World\", though. Since the Bibliomen\neditions are different, you might include \"Captain Roy\" and \"Seaman\" which\nare only in the 1995 edition. And I am not sure about \"Last Drink Bird\nHead\". Wasn’t that the title of the whole volume?\n\nBest, Nessuno\n\n-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----\nVon: Urth [mailto:urth-bounces at lists.urth.net] Im Auftrag von Marc\nAramini\nGesendet: Freitag, 1. August 2014 16:21\nAn: The Urth Mailing List\nBetreff: Re: (urth) short story project so far\n\nHere is the list compiled from the wolfe wiki with doubled stories\nremoved and with a few missing ones added in.\n\nX Easter Sunday\n\n X1951. The Case of the Vanishing Ghost\n\n X1951. The Grave Secret\n\n X1965. The Dead Man\n\n X1966. Mountains Like Mice\n\n X1967. Screen Test\n\n X1967. The Green Wall Said\n\n X1967. Trip, Trap\n\n X1967. Volksweapon\n\n X1968. House of Ancestors\n\n X1968. The Changeling\n\n X1969. Paul's Treehouse\n\n X1970. A Method Bit in \"B\"\n\n X1970. Car Sinister\n\n X1970. Eyebem\n\n X1970. How the Whip Came Back\n\n X1970. King Under the Mountain\n\n X1970. Morning-Glory\n\n X1970. Of Relays and Roses\n\n X1970. Remembrance to Come\n\n X1970. Sonya, Crane Wessleman, and Kittee\n\n X1970. The Island of Doctor Death and Other Stories\n\n X1970. The Packerhaus Method\n\n X1970. The HORARS of War\n\n X1970. Thou Spark of Blood\n\n X1970 Operation Ares\n\n X1971. Slaves of Silver\n\n X1971. Sweet Forest Maid\n\n X1971. The Blue Mouse\n\n X1971. The Toy Theater\n\n X1971. Three Million Square Miles\n\n X1972. \"A Story\" by John V. Marsch\n\n X1972. Against the Lafayette Escadrille\n\n X1972. Alien Stones\n\n X1972. Beech Hill\n\n X1972. It's Very Clean\n\n X1972. Loco Parentis\n\n X1972. Mathoms from the Time Closet\n\n X1972. Robot's Story\n\n X1972. Tarzan of the Grapes\n\n X1972. The Fifth Head of Cerberus\n\n X1972. The Headless Man\n\n X1972. The Recording\n\n X1972. V. R. T.\n\n X1973. An Article About Hunting\n\n X1973. Beautyland\n\n X1973. Continuing Westward\n\n X1973. Feather Tigers\n\n X1973. Going to the Beach\n\n X1973. Hour of Trust\n\n X1973. How I Lost the Second World War and Helped Turn Back the\nGerman Invasion\n\n X1973. La Befana\n\n X1973. Peritonitis\n\n X1973. The Death of Dr. Island\n\n X1973. Westwind\n\n X1974. Cues\n\n X1974. From the Notebook of Dr. Stein\n\n X1974. Melting\n\n X1974. The Dark of the June\n\n X1974. The Death of Hyle\n\n X1974. The Rubber Bend\n\n 1974. Forlesen\n\n X1975 Peace\n\n X1975. Civis Laputus Sum\n\n X1975. St. Brandon (Excerpt)\n\n X1975. Straw\n\n X1975. Thag\n\n X1975. The Hero as Werwolf\n\n X1975. When I Was Ming the Merciless\n\n X1975. Tracking Song\n\n X1975. Silhouette\n\n X1976 Devil in a Forest\n\n 1976. The Eyeflash Miracles\n\n X1976. Three Fingers\n\n X1977. Many Mansions\n\n X1977. The Marvelous Brass Chessplaying Automaton\n\n X1977. To the Dark Tower Came\n\n X1978. Our Neighbour by David Copperfield\n\n 1978. Seven American Nights\n\n 1978. The Doctor of Death Island\n\n X1979. The Woman Who Loved the Centaur Pholus\n\n X1979. War Beneath the Tree\n\n X1980. A Criminal Proceeding\n\n 1980. In Looking-Glass Castle\n\n 1980. Kevin Malone\n\n 1980. Suzanne Delage\n\n 1980. The Adopted Father\n\n 1980. The Detective of Dreams\n\n 1980. The God and His Man\n\n THE BOOK OF THE NEW SUN\n\n 1981. A Cabin on the Coast\n\n X1981. The Tale of the Student and His Son\n\n X1981. The Woman the Unicorn Loved\n\n 1981. Date Due\n\n 1982. Cherry Jubilee\n\n X1982. Folia's Story: The Armiger's Daughter\n\n 1982. Last Day\n\n 1982. My Book\n\n 1982. The Last Thrilling Wonder Story\n\n 1983. A Solar Labyrinth\n\n 1983. Creation\n\n 1983. Death of the Island Doctor\n\n 1983. The River\n\n 1983. From the Desk of Gilmer C. Merton\n\n 1983. At the Volcano's Lip\n\n 1983. In the Mountains\n\n 1983. In the Old Hotel\n\n 1983. On the Train\n\n 1983. The Cat\n\n 1983 Love Among The Corridors\n\n 1984 Bibliomen\n\n 1984. Redbeard\n\n 1984. The Map\n\n 1985. The Boy Who Hooked the Sun\n\n 1985. The Green Rabbit from S'Rian\n\n 1985. The Nebraskan and the Nereid\n\n X1985. The Woman Who Went Out\n\n X1985. FREE LIVE FREE\n\n 1986. Checking Out\n\n 1986. Choice of the Black Goddess\n\n 1986. The Peace Spy\n\n 1987. All the Hues of Hell\n\n 1987. Empires of Foliage and Flower\n\n 1987. In the House of Gingerbread\n\n 1987. Parkroads: A Review\n\n 1987. The Arimaspian Legacy\n\n 1987. The Most Beautiful Woman on the World\n\n 1987. The Other Dead Man\n\n SOLDIER SERIES\n\n THERE ARE DOORS\n\n 1988. Alphabet\n\n 1988. At the Point of Capricorn\n\n 1988. Game in the Pope's Head\n\n 1988. Houston, 1943\n\n 1988. Lukora\n\n 1988. Read Me\n\n 1988. Sightings at Twin Mounds\n\n 1988. The Flag\n\n 1988. The Tale of the Rose and the Nightingale (And What Came of It)\n\n 1989. How the Bishop Sailed to Inniskeen\n\n 1989. Slow Children at Play\n\n 1989. The Friendship Light\n\n 1989. The Tale of the Four Accused\n\n PANDORA BY HOLLY HOLLANDER\nCASTLEVIEW\n\n 1990. Lord of the Land\n\n 1990. The Haunted Boardinghouse\n\n 1990. The Monday Man\n\n 1991. The Old Woman Whose Rolling Pin Is the Sun\n\n 1991. The Seraph From Its Sepulcher\n\n X1992. The Largest Luger\n\n X1992. The Last Casualty of Cambrai\n\n 1992. The Legend of Xi Cygnus\n\n 1992. The Sailor Who Sailed After the Sun\n\n 1993. And When They Appear\n\n 1993. Useful Phrases\n\n 1994. Queen of the Night\n\n BOOK OF THE LONG SUN\n\n 1995. The Death of Koshchei the Deathless\n\n 1995. The Ziggurat\n\n 1996. Ain't You 'Most Done?\n\n 1996. Bed And Breakfast\n\n 1996. Bluesberry Jam\n\n 1996. Counting Cats in Zanzibar\n\n 1996. One Two Three for Me\n\n 1996. The Man in the Pepper Mill\n\n 1996. To the Seventh\n\n 1996. Try and Kill It\n\n 1997. Flash Company\n\n 1997. No Planets Strike\n\n 1997. Petting Zoo\n\n 1997. Wolfer\n\n 1998. The Night Chough\n\n 1998. The Wrapper\n\n 1999. A Fish Story\n\n 1999. A Traveler in Desert Lands\n\n 1999. Has Anybody Seen Junie Moon?\n\n 1999. How I Got Three Zip Codes\n\n 1999. The Tree Is My Hat\n\n 1999. The Walking Sticks\n\n BOOK OF THE SHORT SUN\n\n 2000. Pocketsful of Diamonds\n\n 2000. The Eleventh City\n\n 2000. The Fat Magician\n\n 2001. Copperhead\n\n 2001. In Glory Like Their Star\n\n 2001. Queen\n\n 2001. Viewpoint\n\n 2002. From the Cradle\n\n 2002. Mute\n\n 2002. Shields of Mars\n\n 2002. The Dog of the Drops\n\n 2002. The Waif\n\n 2002. Under Hill\n\n 2002. A Walking Tour of the Shambles\n\n 2003. Black Shoes\n\n 2003. My Name is Nancy Wood\n\n 2003. Calamity Warps\n\n 2003. Castaway\n\n 2003. Graylord Man's Last Words\n\n 2003. Hunter Lake\n\n 2003. Of Soil And Climate\n\n 2003. Talk of Mandrakes\n\n 2003. The Lost Pilgrim\n\n 2004. Golden City Far\n\n 2004. Monster\n\n 2004. Prize Crew\n\n 2004. Pulp Cover\n\n 2004. Rattler\n\n 2004. The Little Stranger\n\n 2005. Comber\n\n 2005. The Card\n\n 2005. The Gunner's Mate\n\n 2005. The Vampire Kiss\n\n 2005. Christmas Inn\n\n WIZARD KNIGHT\n\n 2006. Bea and Her Bird Brother\n\n 2006. On a Vacant Face a Bruise\n\n 2006. Sob in the Silence\n\n 2006. The On-Deck Circle\n\n 2006. Build-A-Bear\n\n 2006. Six from Atlantis\n\n 2006. The Old Woman in the Young Woman\n\n 2007. Green Glass\n\n 2007. Memorare\n\n 2007. The Hour of the Sheep\n\n 2007. The Magic Animal\n\n 2007. Unrequited Love\n\n PIRATE FREEDOM\n\n 2009. Donovan Sent Us\n\n 2009 Last Drink Bird Head\n\n EVIL GUEST\n\n 2010. Bloodsport\n\n 2010. Innocent\n\n 2010. Josh\n\n 2010. King Rat\n\n 2010. Leif in the Wind\n\n SORCERER’S HOUSE\n\n 2011. Why I Was Hanged\n\n 2011. Planetarium in Orbit\n\n 2011 The Giant\n\n HOME FIRES\n\n 2012. Dormanna\n\n 2012 Lithosphere Whale\n\n 2013 Uncaged\n\n 2013 Frost Free\n\n 2013 Sea of Memory\n\n THE LAND ACROSS\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Robert Pirkola", "address": "rpirkola at hotmail.com" }, "date": "2014-08-01T19:53:12+00:00", "subject": "(urth) short story project so far", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I also really appreciate the work you've been doing on the short story project Marc and having looked at a couple of the stories deeply and written about them cannot imagine the amount of time and energy it has required for you to keep this up for as long as you have (and hope to continue doing)! I have actually been making a \"book\" of your writings from the project, with add-ins of interesting posts from urth list members, for my own personal use. I have been doing light editing to it as I go along (I am up to your post on Operation ARES, which I coincidentally just finished reading) and it is at about 126 pages in a Word document. When I catch up to where you are at present, I can send it to you if you want. In any event, keep cranking away, it is a very worthwhile project and one that hopefully one day can stand next to the Andre-Driussi, Gordon, and Borski books as go-to secondary source material for serious Wolfe readers. \t\t \t \t\t " } ] }, { "message_id": "<6968F950-E8DF-44AF-9F9E-F3A2FF4B8769@gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "entonio at gmail.com", "address": "entonio at gmail.com" }, "date": "2014-08-02T01:10:03+00:00", "subject": "(urth) short story project so far", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I've been wanting to say something about this since the beginning but only now did I find the time. My first thought was precisely that you should split it according to the type of work. As to the publishing, please avoid the kind of outfit that would make this a $200 edition! If you do end up publishing it electronically, great, but don't give it away for 2c either. This is a beautiful work. \n\nNo dia 01/08/2014, ?s 17:31, \"Dan'l Danehy-Oakes\" escreveu:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Then I would suggest two volumes, \"the short fiction of\" and \"the novels of.\"\n\n\nOn Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Marc Aramini wrote:\nOn Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 8:39 AM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Marc,\n\nI think it would be worth shopping it to university publishers wihtout the\nnovels - \"The Short Fiction of Gene Wolfe\" or something like that. Yes, it\nwould be long, but I've seen some huge volumes from U-presses." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "The novels are discussed with fairly short essays and have some of my\nbest observations - latro as ares, Skip as sleeper assassin, Number\nFive as the only human, Marsch as shadow child, Typhon as Silk's\nfather, Ben Free as America, etc. I would want it to be a holistic\nkind of work. That would probably only add maybe 150 pages. Maybe\n200.\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<53DCCE9A.1060909@bindweed.com>", "from": { "name": "Gerry Quinn", "address": "gerry at bindweed.com" }, "date": "2014-08-02T11:42:18+00:00", "subject": "(urth) short story project so far", "in_reply_to": "<53DB8897.4040000@verizon.net>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 01/08/2014 13:31, David Stockhoff wrote:\nI'm in the same boat. What I need is a handy Aramini desk reference!" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "It could be called 'The Wolfe Short Story Companion' or something. Maybe \nsome clever title could be invented that alludes to the companions that \nfrequently attach themselves to the protagonist in Wolfe's stories.\n\n- Gerry Quinn" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Marc Aramini", "address": "marcaramini at gmail.com" }, "date": "2014-08-02T12:14:12+00:00", "subject": "(urth) short story project so far", "in_reply_to": "<53DCCE9A.1060909@bindweed.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "My first thought was something dramatic like \"between the light and the\nshadow: the fiction of Gene Wolfe\" (implying the undistorted object itself,\nbut without resorting to \"sun\" in place of light) but I rather liked the\nclever book of the short fiction/book of the long fiction.\n\nSince I have more or less reached the 80s, this isn't entirely off topic- I\nactually think the increasing influence of Kafka, while it had atmospheric\nimpact in a positive way for New Sun, problematizes interpretation of\nWolfe. It makes the difficulty in discerning absurdity from elision a bit\nmore prominent. The Borgesian metafiction is easier to identify and more\nlocalized (parkroads, last thrilling wonder story). The syncretic\nfairiefolk of cabin on the coast/friendship light/Monday men/twin\nmounds also open up infinite frames of reference - does logic apply as\nassiduously as it did in almost everything written before 1980?" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Saturday, August 2, 2014, Gerry Quinn wrote:\n\nOn 01/08/2014 13:31, David Stockhoff wrote:\n\nI'm in the same boat. What I need is a handy Aramini desk reference!\n\n\nIt could be called 'The Wolfe Short Story Companion' or something. Maybe\nsome clever title could be invented that alludes to the companions that\nfrequently attach themselves to the protagonist in Wolfe's stories.\n\n- Gerry Quinn" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Marc Aramini", "address": "marcaramini at gmail.com" }, "date": "2014-08-02T12:46:18+00:00", "subject": "(urth) short story project so far", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "And as I was showering, a great and terrible fear overcame me that I had\nwritten Kefka instead of Kafka once again. Final Fantasy's Kefka's\ninfluence on Wolfe would problematize reality itself." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Marc Aramini", "address": "marcaramini at gmail.com" }, "date": "2014-08-03T02:29:28+00:00", "subject": "(urth) short story project so far", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "A quick note and public thank you to Matthew King for putting me in touch\nwith a publisher willing to consider the work - the basic idea is to split\nthe book in twain, stopping at about 1987, so the first volume, if it is\naccepted (let's not get too hasty) would have about half the stories. That\nwould give me time to work on the second half, which would probably be\nslightly shorter.\n\nI am editing the beginning stories extensively now and incorporating some\nof the astute observations of the list, so hopefully no one will mind being\nreferred to by name in the text if I quote them. I am also trying to\ntighten up the prose - some of the early stories were pretty rough. Thank\nyou guys for all your kind words and support. I am also very happy with\nthe pricing options the publisher has for physical and digital copies, so I\nam hoping he will accept the draft. Time to get busy, as some of the\nentries need some severe stylistic polish, which I can see two years\nremoved from their composition.\n\nThanks again!" } ] }, { "message_id": "<53DE689B.9030801@colby.edu>", "from": { "name": "Fernando Q. Gouvea", "address": "fqgouvea at colby.edu" }, "date": "2014-08-03T16:51:39+00:00", "subject": "(urth) short story project so far", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I'll chime in with the others: I'd certainly buy the book(s) and read \nthem. And probably refer to them on re-reading the stories. I don't \nalways agree with your interpretations, but they are always fun to read.\n\nSome years ago, the college where I teach had created a way for students \nto get a little bit of academic credit for taking part in a \"book \nseminar\" meeting once a week. They wanted faculty participation, so I \nvolunteered and chose as my book /The Island of Doctor Death and Other \nStories and Other Stories/. It was fun, but most of the students thought \nthe stories were far too difficult. One came to me at one point and said \n\"You do realize that most of these book seminars are /much/ easier than \nthis, don't you?\" Alas, no, I didn't realize.\n\nThe college later stopped the book seminars, probably because they felt \nstudents were getting credit for very little work...\n\nI hope you will keep at it. I'm having fun, and feel grateful for the \nimmense amount of work you've clearly put into this.\n\nFernando" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 7/31/2014 1:36 PM, Marc Aramini wrote:\nWell, I am about 33 percent done with Wolfe's published stories after \nthis next one, \"The Doctor of Death Island\" ... I plan on skipping two \nnumbers and returning to \"The Eyeflash Miracles\" and \"Seven American \nNights\" after I consider them a bit more.\n\nI would really like to tear through the 80s more quickly than the 70s, \nand it should be possible since Wolfe's time on long novels and series \nvastly reduced the length and allusive depth of his short fiction. ... \nHowever, I feel that 7 American Nights and probably Cabin on the Coast \nin the early 80s marked a shift away from SF tropes to more fantastic \nones, which are a bit less easy to mark \"objectively\" - some stories \nmight actually have unresolvable mysteries, though I don't think \nanything written before 1980 actually does.\n\nThe write-ups I feel are least satisfactory are \"The Green Wall Said\", \n\"The Blue Mouse\", \"Paul's Treehouse\" - though I think the garment \ndistrict uprising in \"A Criminal Proceeding\" and mentioned briefly in \n\"Operation ARES\" can explain who is actually rioting in that story, \n\"Hour of Trust\" (what is the name of the company running everything, \nwhose symbol is gold stamped instruments? That write up gave me more \nproblems than you would think) \"The Island of Doctor Death an Other \nStories\", and perhaps the Thag stories.\n\nI am most satisfied with \"The Changeling\", \"Many Mansions\" - (those \nhouses are luring people in and are merely dressed up as familiar, \ntempting human houses with mimicry, and might even be planting \nsomething, human-alien symbiotic style, inside people through the \nstrong drink), \"The HORARS of War\", and \"Trip, Trap\" write ups.\n\nI already know exactly what type of essays I will be finishing up on \nLong Sun, Latro, and Home Fires, but the rest will take some time and \nI might not return to New Sun until the majority of the short fiction \nand shorter novels are done.\n\nAll considered the project might be close to 2,000 pages or so when I \nam done.\nOf course it would need hefty revision and citation, but lately I have \nconsidered perhaps trying to publish it upon completion - short essays \non the long fiction in front which would be my own thesis \nbased developments, not comprehensive looks at all, and the story \nanalysis section after that. A traditional publisher would never \ntouch it, I imagine, and it would be far too big for a small or \nuniversity press, but perhaps an ebook would work. Anyone think that \nwould be viable? Should I even, say, try to split it in half? Just \nthought I would see what you guys thought, as this has been a WHOLE \nlot of work, even though I love it.\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Marc Aramini", "address": "marcaramini at gmail.com" }, "date": "2014-08-03T17:37:10+00:00", "subject": "(urth) short story project so far", "in_reply_to": "<53DE689B.9030801@colby.edu>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Thanks Fernando. When I started it I imagined it as a bit more interactive\nthan it became (but I also think I got better at it) - the insights posters\nlike Craig had on the metaphysical implication of Maya in The Dead Man,\nfor example, were astouding. If you have alternative readings to some of\nthe stuff please feel free to respond to the write ups. The eventual\nconclusions I think are \"correct\" for fifth head and short sun would have\nnever come to me alone without significant list help.\n\nBack in 2003 or so I taught Shadow of the Torturer to a college class or\ntwo, and I used to teach \"The Changeling\" and \"Suzanne Delage\" between\n2012-2013. Thanks to Gwern's little website on that one, they would find\nmy name right away. (Before the worst conceivable scenario imaginable wound\nup costing me that position last December, unjust and traumatic ... and now\nI have been sending college teaching applications all over the US, and not\none interview, none. philistines in HR departments. Believe it or not I\nwork in a gym now ... but I do hope to teach college again, as it was the\nonly fulfilling job I had in my life, unless writing counts.)" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 9:51 AM, Fernando Q. Gouvea \nwrote:\nI'll chime in with the others: I'd certainly buy the book(s) and read\nthem. And probably refer to them on re-reading the stories. I don't always\nagree with your interpretations, but they are always fun to read.\n\nSome years ago, the college where I teach had created a way for students\nto get a little bit of academic credit for taking part in a \"book seminar\"\nmeeting once a week. They wanted faculty participation, so I volunteered\nand chose as my book *The Island of Doctor Death and Other Stories and\nOther Stories*. It was fun, but most of the students thought the stories\nwere far too difficult. One came to me at one point and said \"You do\nrealize that most of these book seminars are *much* easier than this,\ndon't you?\" Alas, no, I didn't realize.\n\nThe college later stopped the book seminars, probably because they felt\nstudents were getting credit for very little work...\n\nI hope you will keep at it. I'm having fun, and feel grateful for the\nimmense amount of work you've clearly put into this.\n\nFernando\n\n\n\nOn 7/31/2014 1:36 PM, Marc Aramini wrote:\n\n Well, I am about 33 percent done with Wolfe's published stories after\nthis next one, \"The Doctor of Death Island\" ... I plan on skipping two\nnumbers and returning to \"The Eyeflash Miracles\" and \"Seven American\nNights\" after I consider them a bit more.\n\nI would really like to tear through the 80s more quickly than the 70s, and\nit should be possible since Wolfe's time on long novels and series vastly\nreduced the length and allusive depth of his short fiction. ... However, I\nfeel that 7 American Nights and probably Cabin on the Coast in the early\n80s marked a shift away from SF tropes to more fantastic ones, which are a\nbit less easy to mark \"objectively\" - some stories might actually have\nunresolvable mysteries, though I don't think anything written before 1980\nactually does.\n\nThe write-ups I feel are least satisfactory are \"The Green Wall Said\",\n\"The Blue Mouse\", \"Paul's Treehouse\" - though I think the garment district\nuprising in \"A Criminal Proceeding\" and mentioned briefly in \"Operation\nARES\" can explain who is actually rioting in that story, \"Hour of Trust\"\n(what is the name of the company running everything, whose symbol is gold\nstamped instruments? That write up gave me more problems than you would\nthink) \"The Island of Doctor Death an Other Stories\", and perhaps the Thag\nstories.\n\nI am most satisfied with \"The Changeling\", \"Many Mansions\" - (those houses\nare luring people in and are merely dressed up as familiar, tempting human\nhouses with mimicry, and might even be planting something, human-alien\nsymbiotic style, inside people through the strong drink), \"The HORARS of\nWar\", and \"Trip, Trap\" write ups.\n\nI already know exactly what type of essays I will be finishing up on Long\nSun, Latro, and Home Fires, but the rest will take some time and I might\nnot return to New Sun until the majority of the short fiction and shorter\nnovels are done.\n\nAll considered the project might be close to 2,000 pages or so when I am\ndone.\nOf course it would need hefty revision and citation, but lately I have\nconsidered perhaps trying to publish it upon completion - short essays on\nthe long fiction in front which would be my own thesis based developments,\nnot comprehensive looks at all, and the story analysis section after that.\nA traditional publisher would never touch it, I imagine, and it would be\nfar too big for a small or university press, but perhaps an ebook would\nwork. Anyone think that would be viable? Should I even, say, try to split\nit in half? Just thought I would see what you guys thought, as this has\nbeen a WHOLE lot of work, even though I love it.\n\n _______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<53DF0E22.9050102@clueland.com>", "from": { "name": "Jeffery Wilson clueland.com", "address": "jwilson at clueland.com" }, "date": "2014-08-04T04:37:54+00:00", "subject": "(urth) short story project so far", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 8/3/2014 12:37 PM, Marc Aramini wrote:\nBefore the worst conceivable scenario\nimaginable wound up costing me that position last December, unjust\nand traumatic" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Condolences on your personal Oleanna.." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": ".. and now I have been sending college teaching\napplications all over the US, and not one interview, none. philistines\nin HR departments. Believe it or not I work in a gym nowa finished novel?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "So can we look forward to a finished Aramani novel?" }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Jeff Wilson - < jwilson at clueland.com >\nA&M Texarkana Computational Intelligence Lab\n< http://www.tamut.edu/cil >" } ] }, { "message_id": "<53DFA3B8.9060009@verizon.net>", "from": { "name": "David Stockhoff", "address": "dstockhoff at verizon.net" }, "date": "2014-08-04T15:16:08+00:00", "subject": "(urth) short story project so far", "in_reply_to": "<53DCCE9A.1060909@bindweed.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "The Wolfe Short Story and Companions' Companion . . . ?\n\nSomething like that. Cleverer." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 8/2/2014 7:42 AM, Gerry Quinn wrote:\n\nOn 01/08/2014 13:31, David Stockhoff wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "I'm in the same boat. What I need is a handy Aramini desk reference!" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "It could be called 'The Wolfe Short Story Companion' or something. \nMaybe some clever title could be invented that alludes to the\ncompanions that frequently attach themselves to the protagonist in\nWolfe's stories.\n\n- Gerry Quinn\n\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] } ] }