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  "thread": {
    "id": 66,
    "subject": "the Castle",
    "messages": 2,
    "voices": 2,
    "first": "1997-06-23T10:15:54+00:00",
    "last": "1997-06-24T07:07:12+00:00"
  },
  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0002-0108@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Peter Cash",
        "address": "cash at rsn.hp.com"
      },
      "date": "1997-06-23T10:15:54+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) the Castle",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
      "blocks": [
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          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "Jim Jordan <jbjordan at gnt.net> wrote:\n...I initially took Anne Schildler (Castleview) in a\nnegative light, but she's looking for the Castle (church; kingdom of God)\nalso. Thus, I think it is mainly a matter of Wolfe's writing primarily\nabout male protagonists. "
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "The castle is the Church? That hadn't come into my mind at all. What\nindications are there in CASTLEVIEW that this is so? I would have\nthought that the Castle represented the power of imagination and of\nmyth, and served as a reminder that reality is not necessarily as we\nthink it is. What Christian symbolism did you see in the Castle? How can\nit be the Kingdom of God if it is inhabited by such signally\nun-Christian personages as Morgana and Thor (leading the Wild Hunt)? \n\nHmmm. There _were_ gargoyles...I'll grant you that. And how many candles\nwere there in the empty room? "
        },
        {
          "kind": "sig",
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          "text": "=============================================================================\n            Peter T. Cash -- Documentation Systems Development\n   \t             Hewlett-Packard, Convex Division, \n\t\t P.O.Box 833851 Richardson, TX 75083-3851\n     voice: (214) 497-4389 - FAX: (214) 497-4500 - cash at rsn.hp.com"
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0002-0109@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Jim Jordan",
        "address": "jbjordan at gnt.net"
      },
      "date": "1997-06-24T07:07:12+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: (urth) the Castle",
      "in_reply_to": "<urth-v0002-0108@digest.urth.net>",
      "reply_link": "subject",
      "blocks": [
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "At 10:15 AM 6/23/97 -0500, you wrote:\n\n[Posted from URTH, a mailing list about Gene Wolfe's New Sun and other works]\n\nJim Jordan <jbjordan at gnt.net> wrote:"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 2,
          "text": "...I initially took Anne Schildler (Castleview) in a\nnegative light, but she's looking for the Castle (church; kingdom of God)\nalso. Thus, I think it is mainly a matter of Wolfe's writing primarily\nabout male protagonists. "
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "The castle is the Church? That hadn't come into my mind at all. What\nindications are there in CASTLEVIEW that this is so? I would have\nthought that the Castle represented the power of imagination and of\nmyth, and served as a reminder that reality is not necessarily as we\nthink it is. What Christian symbolism did you see in the Castle? How can\nit be the Kingdom of God if it is inhabited by such signally\nun-Christian personages as Morgana and Thor (leading the Wild Hunt)? "
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
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          "text": "\tSorry. E-mailish briefitudinousness overcame me. The castle clearly varies\naccording to perspective: for some it is a spaceship; just as the wild\nride/hunt is perceived differently. I take it as the kind of ideal home,\nconnected to the transcendent, of which the Church is the purest and proper\nform. But perhaps I should re-read.\n\n\tDoes that help?\n\nNutria"
        }
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