# the Castle *The Urth list — 2 messages, 2 voices, 23 Jun 1997* > Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright > in each message remains with the person who wrote it. > Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original > archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than > retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact. --- ### Peter Cash *23 Jun 1997, 10:15* > Jim Jordan wrote: > ...I initially took Anne Schildler (Castleview) in a > negative light, but she's looking for the Castle (church; kingdom of God) > also. Thus, I think it is mainly a matter of Wolfe's writing primarily > about male protagonists. The castle is the Church? That hadn't come into my mind at all. What indications are there in CASTLEVIEW that this is so? I would have thought that the Castle represented the power of imagination and of myth, and served as a reminder that reality is not necessarily as we think it is. What Christian symbolism did you see in the Castle? How can it be the Kingdom of God if it is inhabited by such signally un-Christian personages as Morgana and Thor (leading the Wild Hunt)? Hmmm. There _were_ gargoyles...I'll grant you that. And how many candles were there in the empty room? ``` ============================================================================= Peter T. Cash -- Documentation Systems Development Hewlett-Packard, Convex Division, P.O.Box 833851 Richardson, TX 75083-3851 voice: (214) 497-4389 - FAX: (214) 497-4500 - cash at rsn.hp.com ``` --- ### Jim Jordan *24 Jun 1997, 07:07 · follows Peter Cash* > At 10:15 AM 6/23/97 -0500, you wrote: > > [Posted from URTH, a mailing list about Gene Wolfe's New Sun and other works] > > Jim Jordan wrote: >> ...I initially took Anne Schildler (Castleview) in a >> negative light, but she's looking for the Castle (church; kingdom of God) >> also. Thus, I think it is mainly a matter of Wolfe's writing primarily >> about male protagonists. > The castle is the Church? That hadn't come into my mind at all. What > indications are there in CASTLEVIEW that this is so? I would have > thought that the Castle represented the power of imagination and of > myth, and served as a reminder that reality is not necessarily as we > think it is. What Christian symbolism did you see in the Castle? How can > it be the Kingdom of God if it is inhabited by such signally > un-Christian personages as Morgana and Thor (leading the Wild Hunt)? Sorry. E-mailish briefitudinousness overcame me. The castle clearly varies according to perspective: for some it is a spaceship; just as the wild ride/hunt is perceived differently. I take it as the kind of ideal home, connected to the transcendent, of which the Church is the purest and proper form. But perhaps I should re-read. Does that help? Nutria ---