# TBOTNS fan cover art *The Urth list — 5 messages, 5 voices, 21 Oct 2014* > Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright > in each message remains with the person who wrote it. > Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original > archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than > retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact. --- ### António Pedro Marques *21 Oct 2014, 20:54* No dia 21/10/2014, ?s 15:50, Gerry Quinn escreveu: > Gyoll does undoubtedly carry many a corpse anyway. Has the name 'Gyoll' been analysed? --- ### Norwood, Frederick Hudson *22 Oct 2014, 13:37 · in reply to António Pedro Marques* Maybe something to do with Sheol? Rick Norwood -----Original Message----- From: Urth [mailto:urth-bounces at lists.urth.net] On Behalf Of Ant?nio Pedro Marques Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 4:54 PM To: The Urth Mailing List Subject: Re: (urth) TBOTNS fan cover art No dia 21/10/2014, ?s 15:50, Gerry Quinn escreveu: > Gyoll does undoubtedly carry many a corpse anyway. Has the name 'Gyoll' been analysed? --- ### Mark Lewin *22 Oct 2014, 14:30 · in reply to Norwood, Frederick Hudson* > From http://bit.ly/1x8WbXR: "Gyoll is a great river which runs through the city, in which the apprentices have just been swimming. Its name is probably a reference to the Norse Gjoll, a river which symbolized death and ran near the gates of Hel — not unlike the Greek Styx." Mark > On Wed, Oct 22, 2014, at 02:37 PM, Norwood, Frederick Hudson wrote: > Maybe something to do with Sheol? > > Rick Norwood > > -----Original Message----- > From: Urth [mailto:urth-bounces at lists.urth.net] On Behalf Of Ant?nio > Pedro Marques > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 4:54 PM --- ### Lee *22 Oct 2014, 18:55 · follows Mark Lewin* > Mark Lewin: "Gyoll is a great river which runs through the city, in which the > apprentices have just been swimming. Its name is probably a reference to > the Norse Gjoll, a river which symbolized death and ran near the gates > of Hel — not unlike the Greek Styx." Yes. Gj?ll is also the name of the rock to which the monstrous Norse wolf, Fenrir is chained. Not a reference that can be ignored when it comes to this particular author. Furthermore, that river is likely represented in our world by the Rio De La Plata. The proximity to Buenos Aires (Nessus) and its estuarial nature jibes with the presence of some oceanic beings who would seem to appear in Gyoll. A single literary element serving double or triple duty seems common in the works of Gene Wolfe. --- ### Jeffery Wilson clueland.com *25 Oct 2014, 16:43 · follows Lee* > On 10/20/2014 10:03 PM, Antonin Scriabin wrote: > http://www.adijuhaszart.com/shadowclaw/ > > Thought this was cool, not sure if it has made the rounds here yet. I > love the imagery of the New Sun "drowning" in what looks like the > flooding Gyoll. Maybe a more appropriate cover for The Citadel of the > Autarch or Sword and Citadel, but still neat. I would guess that is Sev tumbling into the bog in the Botanic Gardens where he finds Dorcas among the other preserved corpses. ``` Jeff Wilson - < jwilson at clueland.com > A&M Texarkana Computational Intelligence Lab < http://www.tamut.edu/cil > ``` ---