TBOTNS fan cover art
The Urth list — 5 messages, 5 voices, 21 Oct 2014
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António Pedro Marques — 21 Oct 2014, 20:54

No dia 21/10/2014, ?s 15:50, Gerry Quinn <gerry at bindweed.com> escreveu:

> Gyoll does undoubtedly carry many a corpse anyway.

Has the name 'Gyoll' been analysed?

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Norwood, Frederick Hudson — 22 Oct 2014, 13:37
  in reply to António Pedro Marques

Maybe something to do with Sheol?

Rick Norwood

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No dia 21/10/2014, ?s 15:50, Gerry Quinn <gerry at bindweed.com> escreveu:

> Gyoll does undoubtedly carry many a corpse anyway.

Has the name 'Gyoll' been analysed?

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Mark Lewin — 22 Oct 2014, 14:30
  in reply to Norwood, Frederick Hudson

> From http://bit.ly/1x8WbXR:

"Gyoll is a great river which runs through the city, in which the
apprentices have just been swimming. Its name is probably a reference to
the Norse Gjoll, a river which symbolized death and ran near the gates
of Hel — not unlike the Greek Styx."

Mark

> On Wed, Oct 22, 2014, at 02:37 PM, Norwood, Frederick Hudson wrote:
> Maybe something to do with Sheol?
> 
> Rick Norwood
> 
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> Pedro Marques
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 4:54 PM

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Lee — 22 Oct 2014, 18:55
  follows, by subject match Mark Lewin

> Mark Lewin: "Gyoll is a great river which runs through the city, in which the
> apprentices have just been swimming. Its name is probably a reference to
> the Norse Gjoll, a river which symbolized death and ran near the gates
> of Hel — not unlike the Greek Styx."

Yes. 


Gj?ll is also the name of the rock to which the monstrous Norse wolf,

Fenrir is chained. Not a reference that can be ignored when it comes to

this particular author.


Furthermore, that river is likely represented in our world  by the Rio De La 

Plata. The proximity to Buenos Aires (Nessus) and its estuarial nature jibes 

with the presence of some oceanic beings who would seem to appear in Gyoll.


A single literary element serving double or triple duty seems common in the 

works of Gene Wolfe. 		 	   		  

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Jeffery Wilson clueland.com — 25 Oct 2014, 16:43
  follows, by subject match Lee

> On 10/20/2014 10:03 PM, Antonin Scriabin wrote:
> http://www.adijuhaszart.com/shadowclaw/
> 
> Thought this was cool, not sure if it has made the rounds here yet. I
> love the imagery of the New Sun "drowning" in what looks like the
> flooding Gyoll. Maybe a more appropriate cover for The Citadel of the
> Autarch or Sword and Citadel, but still neat.

I would guess that is Sev tumbling into the bog in the Botanic Gardens 
where he finds Dorcas among the other preserved corpses.

  --
  Jeff Wilson - < jwilson at clueland.com >
  A&M Texarkana Computational Intelligence Lab
  < http://www.tamut.edu/cil >

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