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  "thread": {
    "id": 6691,
    "subject": "Catholic Wolfe",
    "messages": 5,
    "voices": 3,
    "first": "2014-10-25T16:52:39+00:00",
    "last": "2014-10-26T21:37:48+00:00"
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    {
      "message_id": "<544BD557.5030206@clueland.com>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Jeffery Wilson clueland.com",
        "address": "jwilson at clueland.com"
      },
      "date": "2014-10-25T16:52:39+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Catholic Wolfe",
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          "text": "On 10/20/2014 4:40 AM, Allan Lloyd wrote:\nI re-joined the Urth  group a while ago, prompted mostly by Marc’s\nexcellent postings on the short stories. I am afraid that I am having my\npatience tested my the interminable discussions of maths and the\nexistence of free will. Surely these things would be better talked about\noff-list by the few people concerned."
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        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "I could say the same about Catholicism,  but it's better for everyone \nfor the disinterested to summon the Herculean effort to click and scroll \nto the next message as needed."
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        {
          "kind": "sig",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Jeff Wilson - < jwilson at clueland.com >\nA&M Texarkana Computational Intelligence Lab\n< http://www.tamut.edu/cil >"
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    {
      "message_id": "<544C3805.1050801@bindweed.com>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Gerry Quinn",
        "address": "gerry at bindweed.com"
      },
      "date": "2014-10-25T23:53:41+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Catholic Wolfe",
      "in_reply_to": "<544BD557.5030206@clueland.com>",
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          "text": "On 25/10/2014 17:52, Jeffery Wilson clueland.com wrote:\nOn 10/20/2014 4:40 AM, Allan Lloyd wrote:"
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          "kind": "quote",
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          "text": "I re-joined the Urth  group a while ago, prompted mostly by Marc’s\nexcellent postings on the short stories. I am afraid that I am having my\npatience tested my the interminable discussions of maths and the\nexistence of free will. Surely these things would be better talked about\noff-list by the few people concerned."
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
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          "text": "I could say the same about Catholicism,  but it's better for everyone \nfor the disinterested to summon the Herculean effort to click and \nscroll to the next message as needed."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
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          "text": "There is something to be said for having more specific titles.  Eg. If \nit goes Catholic Wolfe / Catholic Theology, those who care little about \ntheology can ignore, those who enjoy it can engage.  We should try to do \nthat more.\n\n- Gerry Quinn\n\n---\nThis email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.\nhttp://www.avast.com"
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      "message_id": "<544C84DF.3020800@clueland.com>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Jeffery Wilson clueland.com",
        "address": "jwilson at clueland.com"
      },
      "date": "2014-10-26T05:21:35+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Catholic Wolfe",
      "in_reply_to": "<544C3805.1050801@bindweed.com>",
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          "text": "On 10/25/2014 6:53 PM, Gerry Quinn wrote:\n\nOn 25/10/2014 17:52, Jeffery Wilson clueland.com wrote:"
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        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 2,
          "text": "On 10/20/2014 4:40 AM, Allan Lloyd wrote:"
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          "kind": "quote",
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          "text": "I re-joined the Urth  group a while ago, prompted mostly by Marc’s\nexcellent postings on the short stories. I am afraid that I am having my\npatience tested my the interminable discussions of maths and the\nexistence of free will. Surely these things would be better talked about\noff-list by the few people concerned."
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        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 2,
          "text": "I could say the same about Catholicism,  but it's better for everyone\nfor the disinterested to summon the Herculean effort to click and\nscroll to the next message as needed."
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "There is something to be said for having more specific titles.  Eg. If\nit goes Catholic Wolfe / Catholic Theology, those who care little about\ntheology can ignore, those who enjoy it can engage.  We should try to do\nthat more."
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          "text": "I'm game, but it seems unlikely based on past experience."
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          "text": "Jeff Wilson - < jwilson at clueland.com >\nA&M Texarkana Computational Intelligence Lab\n< http://www.tamut.edu/cil >"
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    {
      "message_id": "<CAF1072w4K0+Pv+78DSO8g9uE+4YjAFDraa+5hhzg1erfetw_ow@mail.gmail.com>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Marc Aramini",
        "address": "marcaramini at gmail.com"
      },
      "date": "2014-10-26T14:31:18+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Catholic Wolfe",
      "in_reply_to": "<544C84DF.3020800@clueland.com>",
      "reply_link": "header",
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          "text": "Jeffery Wilson wrote:"
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          "depth": 1,
          "text": "I'm game, but it seems unlikely based on past experience.\n\n--"
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          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "These thread titles live to deceive you, sad experience teaches me.\n\n[Of course, I do think Catholic and historically heretical ideologies are\nvalid insights into Wolfe's writing - often even interpretational keys.]"
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      "message_id": "<544D69AC.6010506@clueland.com>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Jeffery Wilson clueland.com",
        "address": "jwilson at clueland.com"
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      "date": "2014-10-26T21:37:48+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Catholic Wolfe",
      "in_reply_to": "<CAF1072w4K0+Pv+78DSO8g9uE+4YjAFDraa+5hhzg1erfetw_ow@mail.gmail.com>",
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          "depth": 1,
          "text": "On 10/26/2014 9:31 AM, Marc Aramini wrote:\n\n        Jeffery Wilson wrote:\n\n\n    I'm game, but it seems unlikely based on past experience.\n\n    --\n\nThese thread titles live to deceive you, sad experience teaches me."
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          "kind": "text",
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          "text": "I've lead mailing list discussions and peer reviews for a gaming \npublisher, and even a hand-picked panel of referees of games with \nhundreds of pages of rules and an average of more than one university \ndegree remained iffy on the concept after a decade."
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          "kind": "quote",
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          "text": "[Of course, I do think Catholic and historically heretical ideologies\nare valid insights into Wolfe's writing - often even interpretational keys.]"
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          "kind": "text",
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          "text": "Likewise, and I stayed politely attentive the first seventeen times \noriginal sin was deconstructed here, so I think a round of technical \nscience once a year or so isn't out of line for a discussion of the \ngreatest science fiction author living today, or even just the author of \n\"How I Lost the Second World War and Helped Turn Back the German Invasion\"."
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          "text": "Jeff Wilson - < jwilson at clueland.com >\nA&M Texarkana Computational Intelligence Lab\n< http://www.tamut.edu/cil >"
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