# Catholic Wolfe

*The Urth list — 5 messages, 3 voices, 25 Oct 2014*

<https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/6691>

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### Jeffery Wilson clueland.com
*25 Oct 2014, 16:52*

> On 10/20/2014 4:40 AM, Allan Lloyd wrote:
> I re-joined the Urth  group a while ago, prompted mostly by Marc’s
> excellent postings on the short stories. I am afraid that I am having my
> patience tested my the interminable discussions of maths and the
> existence of free will. Surely these things would be better talked about
> off-list by the few people concerned.

I could say the same about Catholicism,  but it's better for everyone 
for the disinterested to summon the Herculean effort to click and scroll 
to the next message as needed.

```
Jeff Wilson - < jwilson at clueland.com >
A&M Texarkana Computational Intelligence Lab
< http://www.tamut.edu/cil >
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### Gerry Quinn
*25 Oct 2014, 23:53 · in reply to Jeffery Wilson clueland.com*

> On 25/10/2014 17:52, Jeffery Wilson clueland.com wrote:
> On 10/20/2014 4:40 AM, Allan Lloyd wrote:

>> I re-joined the Urth  group a while ago, prompted mostly by Marc’s
>> excellent postings on the short stories. I am afraid that I am having my
>> patience tested my the interminable discussions of maths and the
>> existence of free will. Surely these things would be better talked about
>> off-list by the few people concerned.

> I could say the same about Catholicism,  but it's better for everyone 
> for the disinterested to summon the Herculean effort to click and 
> scroll to the next message as needed.

There is something to be said for having more specific titles.  Eg. If 
it goes Catholic Wolfe / Catholic Theology, those who care little about 
theology can ignore, those who enjoy it can engage.  We should try to do 
that more.

- Gerry Quinn

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### Jeffery Wilson clueland.com
*26 Oct 2014, 05:21 · in reply to Gerry Quinn*

> On 10/25/2014 6:53 PM, Gerry Quinn wrote:
> 
> On 25/10/2014 17:52, Jeffery Wilson clueland.com wrote:

>> On 10/20/2014 4:40 AM, Allan Lloyd wrote:

>>> I re-joined the Urth  group a while ago, prompted mostly by Marc’s
>>> excellent postings on the short stories. I am afraid that I am having my
>>> patience tested my the interminable discussions of maths and the
>>> existence of free will. Surely these things would be better talked about
>>> off-list by the few people concerned.

>> I could say the same about Catholicism,  but it's better for everyone
>> for the disinterested to summon the Herculean effort to click and
>> scroll to the next message as needed.

> There is something to be said for having more specific titles.  Eg. If
> it goes Catholic Wolfe / Catholic Theology, those who care little about
> theology can ignore, those who enjoy it can engage.  We should try to do
> that more.

I'm game, but it seems unlikely based on past experience.

```
Jeff Wilson - < jwilson at clueland.com >
A&M Texarkana Computational Intelligence Lab
< http://www.tamut.edu/cil >
```

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### Marc Aramini
*26 Oct 2014, 14:31 · in reply to Jeffery Wilson clueland.com*

>> Jeffery Wilson wrote:

> I'm game, but it seems unlikely based on past experience.
> 
> --

These thread titles live to deceive you, sad experience teaches me.

[Of course, I do think Catholic and historically heretical ideologies are
valid insights into Wolfe's writing - often even interpretational keys.]

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### Jeffery Wilson clueland.com
*26 Oct 2014, 21:37 · in reply to Marc Aramini*

> On 10/26/2014 9:31 AM, Marc Aramini wrote:
> 
>         Jeffery Wilson wrote:
> 
> 
>     I'm game, but it seems unlikely based on past experience.
> 
>     --
> 
> These thread titles live to deceive you, sad experience teaches me.

I've lead mailing list discussions and peer reviews for a gaming 
publisher, and even a hand-picked panel of referees of games with 
hundreds of pages of rules and an average of more than one university 
degree remained iffy on the concept after a decade.

> [Of course, I do think Catholic and historically heretical ideologies
> are valid insights into Wolfe's writing - often even interpretational keys.]

Likewise, and I stayed politely attentive the first seventeen times 
original sin was deconstructed here, so I think a round of technical 
science once a year or so isn't out of line for a discussion of the 
greatest science fiction author living today, or even just the author of 
"How I Lost the Second World War and Helped Turn Back the German Invasion".

```
Jeff Wilson - < jwilson at clueland.com >
A&M Texarkana Computational Intelligence Lab
< http://www.tamut.edu/cil >
```

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