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This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 6697, "subject": "general video discussing Wolfe and literature", "messages": 14, "voices": 7, "first": "2014-11-11T11:59:33+00:00", "last": "2014-11-11T20:55:26+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Marc Aramini", "address": "marcaramini at gmail.com" }, "date": "2014-11-11T11:59:33+00:00", "subject": "(urth) general video discussing Wolfe and literature", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I realized that I had been using youtube only for exercise videos and\nphysical feats for years (mostly under a different channel titled\n\"felicibusbrevis\") when I could actually be talking about something\nworthwhile, so I made this little video yesterday. Much of this I have\nsaid in various posts, but I thought it might be neat for those who don't\nhave time to read some of the posts to have an audio option. It has a\nslightly more mainstream target audience than the urth mailing list (people\nsomewhat familiar with literary history and criticism but perhaps those who\ndon't necessarily appreciate Wolfe). I cut some stuff out which tied my\ndiscussion of Aristotle and the early purposes of literature to Wolfe, as I\nfelt it made this first video too long.\n\nHope you enjoy it. (Next time I won't wear a shirt of that color.)\n\nhttp://youtu.be/VKw_xUI6fDE" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Daniel Otto Jack Petersen", "address": "danielottojackpetersen at gmail.com" }, "date": "2014-11-11T13:24:08+00:00", "subject": "(urth) general video discussing Wolfe and literature", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Forgot to bring my headphones with me to the university library today, but\nI look forward to checking this out when I get home! Thanks! -DOJP" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Marc Aramini \nwrote:\nI realized that I had been using youtube only for exercise videos and\nphysical feats for years (mostly under a different channel titled\n\"felicibusbrevis\") when I could actually be talking about something\nworthwhile, so I made this little video yesterday. Much of this I have\nsaid in various posts, but I thought it might be neat for those who don't\nhave time to read some of the posts to have an audio option. It has a\nslightly more mainstream target audience than the urth mailing list (people\nsomewhat familiar with literary history and criticism but perhaps those who\ndon't necessarily appreciate Wolfe). I cut some stuff out which tied my\ndiscussion of Aristotle and the early purposes of literature to Wolfe, as I\nfelt it made this first video too long.\n\nHope you enjoy it. (Next time I won't wear a shirt of that color.)\n\nhttp://youtu.be/VKw_xUI6fDE\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<1415714557.1525147.189650729.7301324F@webmail.messagingengine.com>", "from": { "name": "Mark Lewin", "address": "mark at marklewin.com" }, "date": "2014-11-11T14:02:37+00:00", "subject": "(urth) general video discussing Wolfe and literature", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Love it! You make some very good points in an interesting and engaging\nway. More please!\n\nMark" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Tue, Nov 11, 2014, at 01:24 PM, Daniel Otto Jack Petersen wrote:\nForgot to bring my headphones with me to the university library today,\nbut I look forward to checking this out when I get home! Thanks! -DOJP\n\nOn Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Marc Aramini\n wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "I realized that I had been using youtube only for exercise videos and\nphysical feats for years (mostly under a different channel titled\n\"felicibusbrevis\") when I could actually be talking about something\nworthwhile, so I made this little video yesterday. Much of this I\nhave said in various posts, but I thought it might be neat for those\nwho don't have time to read some of the posts to have an audio\noption. It has a slightly more mainstream target audience than the\nurth mailing list (people somewhat familiar with literary history and\ncriticism but perhaps those who don't necessarily appreciate Wolfe).\nI cut some stuff out which tied my discussion of Aristotle and the\nearly purposes of literature to Wolfe, as I felt it made this first\nvideo too long.\n\nHope you enjoy it. (Next time I won't wear a shirt of that color.)\n\nhttp://youtu.be/VKw_xUI6fDE\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<1415714647.1525242.189651585.4484DBA9@webmail.messagingengine.com>", "from": { "name": "Mark Lewin", "address": "mark at marklewin.com" }, "date": "2014-11-11T14:04:07+00:00", "subject": "(urth) general video discussing Wolfe and literature", "in_reply_to": "<1415714557.1525147.189650729.7301324F@webmail.messagingengine.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Oh, and because I'm nosy, what's that painting on the wall behind you\nMarc? It looks rather special. It certainly has a beautiful frame.\n\nMark" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Tue, Nov 11, 2014, at 02:02 PM, Mark Lewin wrote:\nLove it! You make some very good points in an interesting and engaging\nway. More please!\n\nMark\n\n\nOn Tue, Nov 11, 2014, at 01:24 PM, Daniel Otto Jack Petersen wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Forgot to bring my headphones with me to the university library\ntoday, but I look forward to checking this out when I get home!\nThanks! -DOJP\n\nOn Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Marc Aramini\n wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "I realized that I had been using youtube only for exercise videos\nand physical feats for years (mostly under a different channel\ntitled \"felicibusbrevis\") when I could actually be talking about\nsomething worthwhile, so I made this little video yesterday. Much of\nthis I have said in various posts, but I thought it might be neat\nfor those who don't have time to read some of the posts to have an\naudio option. It has a slightly more mainstream target audience than" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Marc Aramini", "address": "marcaramini at gmail.com" }, "date": "2014-11-11T14:28:56+00:00", "subject": "(urth) general video discussing Wolfe and literature", "in_reply_to": "<1415714647.1525242.189651585.4484DBA9@webmail.messagingengine.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "The last supper of Leonardo da Vinci .. Can you tell I am Catholic? Heh\nheh. (Gaudy Italian Americans can sometimes be stereotyped pretty\naccurately. ). Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks!" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Tuesday, November 11, 2014, Mark Lewin wrote:\n Oh, and because I'm nosy, what's that painting on the wall behind you\nMarc? It looks rather special. It certainly has a beautiful frame.\n\nMark\n\n\nOn Tue, Nov 11, 2014, at 02:02 PM, Mark Lewin wrote:\n\nLove it! You make some very good points in an interesting and engaging\nway. More please!\n\nMark\n\n\nOn Tue, Nov 11, 2014, at 01:24 PM, Daniel Otto Jack Petersen wrote:\n\nForgot to bring my headphones with me to the university library today, but\nI look forward to checking this out when I get home! Thanks! -DOJP" } ] }, { "message_id": "<1415719019.1540413.189680629.3A267411@webmail.messagingengine.com>", "from": { "name": "Mark Lewin", "address": "mark at marklewin.com" }, "date": "2014-11-11T15:16:59+00:00", "subject": "(urth) general video discussing Wolfe and literature", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I was right: it was a special painting!\n\nThanks :)\n\nMark" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Tue, Nov 11, 2014, at 02:28 PM, Marc Aramini wrote:\nThe last supper of Leonardo da Vinci .. Can you tell I am Catholic?\nHeh heh. (Gaudy Italian Americans can sometimes be stereotyped pretty\naccurately. ). Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks!\n\nOn Tuesday, November 11, 2014, Mark Lewin wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "__\nOh, and because I'm nosy, what's that painting on the wall behind you\nMarc? It looks rather special. It certainly has a beautiful frame.\n\nMark\n\n\nOn Tue, Nov 11, 2014, at 02:02 PM, Mark Lewin wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "Love it! You make some very good points in an interesting and\nengaging way. More please!\n\nMark\n\n\nOn Tue, Nov 11, 2014, at 01:24 PM, Daniel Otto Jack Petersen wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "Forgot to bring my headphones with me to the university library\ntoday, but I look forward to checking this out when I get home!\nThanks! -DOJP" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "_________________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Charles Gillingham", "address": "charlesgillingham at gmail.com" }, "date": "2014-11-11T16:12:28+00:00", "subject": "(urth) general video discussing Wolfe and literature", "in_reply_to": "<1415719019.1540413.189680629.3A267411@webmail.messagingengine.com>", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Great video! Can't wait for part two. One take, and no \"umms\" or \"likes\",\nvery impressive. Now I'll have to rush to finish Peace before you get part\ntwo out." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Marc Aramini", "address": "marcaramini at gmail.com" }, "date": "2014-11-11T17:17:16+00:00", "subject": "(urth) general video discussing Wolfe and literature", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "There's a few uhhs in there but I try to stay energetic when the camera\nrolls! Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Tuesday, November 11, 2014, Charles Gillingham <\ncharlesgillingham at gmail.com> wrote:\nGreat video! Can't wait for part two. One take, and no \"umms\" or \"likes\",\nvery impressive. Now I'll have to rush to finish Peace before you get part\ntwo out." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Daniel Otto Jack Petersen", "address": "danielottojackpetersen at gmail.com" }, "date": "2014-11-11T18:20:50+00:00", "subject": "(urth) general video discussing Wolfe and literature", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Great, Marc! Loved the section on Trip Trap especially. I think I've not\nconsciously tried to understand where Wolfe fits in between Modernism and\nPostmodernism all this time and I think you summed it up nicely: he kind\nof uses the trappings of postmodernism to undermine its commitment to utter\nfragmentation and subjectivity. Very sly, as you'd expect from Wolfe. I\nthink that's why his works are so rich at many levels: that of reader\nenjoyment/engagement, that of deep literary analysis, that of philosophy\nand theology, that of sheer spirituality, that of symbolism, and so on.\nYou get all the 'play' and 'reader-response' of pomo but with a profound\nsense of a deeper underlying structure that really stays put, so real it\ncan make you shiver.\n\nThanks. I look forward to the next.\n\n-DOJP" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 5:17 PM, Marc Aramini wrote:\nThere's a few uhhs in there but I try to stay energetic when the camera\nrolls! Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it.\n\n\nOn Tuesday, November 11, 2014, Charles Gillingham <\ncharlesgillingham at gmail.com> wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Great video! Can't wait for part two. One take, and no \"umms\" or \"likes\",\nvery impressive. Now I'll have to rush to finish Peace before you get part\ntwo out." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<2383A414-3542-4C9C-BD4A-A5269169BF14@gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Matthew King", "address": "automatthew at gmail.com" }, "date": "2014-11-11T18:39:22+00:00", "subject": "(urth) general video discussing Wolfe and literature", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Nov 11, 2014, at 12:20 PM, Daniel Otto Jack Petersen wrote:\nhe kind of uses the trappings of postmodernism to undermine its commitment to utter fragmentation and subjectivity" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "\"Superversion\" as John C. Wright calls it." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Marc Aramini", "address": "marcaramini at gmail.com" }, "date": "2014-11-11T19:12:44+00:00", "subject": "(urth) general video discussing Wolfe and literature", "in_reply_to": "<2383A414-3542-4C9C-BD4A-A5269169BF14@gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "That's how it's done- beat 'em at their own game. Are practitioners\nsuperverts or superverters?" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Tuesday, November 11, 2014, Matthew King wrote:\nOn Nov 11, 2014, at 12:20 PM, Daniel Otto Jack Petersen <\ndanielottojackpetersen at gmail.com > wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "he kind of uses the trappings of postmodernism to undermine its\ncommitment to utter fragmentation and subjectivity" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "\"Superversion\" as John C. Wright calls it.\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes", "address": "danldo at gmail.com" }, "date": "2014-11-11T19:18:28+00:00", "subject": "(urth) general video discussing Wolfe and literature", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Superversionists?" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Marc Aramini \nwrote:\nThat's how it's done- beat 'em at their own game. Are practitioners\nsuperverts or superverters?\n\n\nOn Tuesday, November 11, 2014, Matthew King wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "On Nov 11, 2014, at 12:20 PM, Daniel Otto Jack Petersen <\ndanielottojackpetersen at gmail.com> wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "he kind of uses the trappings of postmodernism to undermine its\ncommitment to utter fragmentation and subjectivity" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "\"Superversion\" as John C. Wright calls it.\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Daniel Otto Jack Petersen", "address": "danielottojackpetersen at gmail.com" }, "date": "2014-11-11T19:34:35+00:00", "subject": "(urth) general video discussing Wolfe and literature", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Awesome. I am officially a superversive." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 7:18 PM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes \nwrote:\nSuperversionists?\n\nOn Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Marc Aramini \nwrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "That's how it's done- beat 'em at their own game. Are practitioners\nsuperverts or superverters?\n\n\nOn Tuesday, November 11, 2014, Matthew King \nwrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "On Nov 11, 2014, at 12:20 PM, Daniel Otto Jack Petersen <\ndanielottojackpetersen at gmail.com> wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "he kind of uses the trappings of postmodernism to undermine its\ncommitment to utter fragmentation and subjectivity" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "\"Superversion\" as John C. Wright calls it.\n_______________________________________________\nUrth Mailing List" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Antonin Scriabin", "address": "kierkegaurdian at gmail.com" }, "date": "2014-11-11T20:55:26+00:00", "subject": "(urth) general video discussing Wolfe and literature", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "This was really great, subscribed." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Daniel Otto Jack Petersen <\ndanielottojackpetersen at gmail.com> wrote:\nAwesome. I am officially a superversive.\n\nOn Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 7:18 PM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes \nwrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Superversionists?\n\nOn Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Marc Aramini \nwrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "That's how it's done- beat 'em at their own game. Are practitioners\nsuperverts or superverters?\n\n\nOn Tuesday, November 11, 2014, Matthew King \nwrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "On Nov 11, 2014, at 12:20 PM, Daniel Otto Jack Petersen <\ndanielottojackpetersen at gmail.com> wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 5, "text": "he kind of uses the trappings of postmodernism to undermine its\ncommitment to utter fragmentation and subjectivity" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "\"Superversion\" as John C. Wright calls it.\n_______________________________________________\nUrth Mailing List\nTo post, write urth at urth.net" } ] } ] }