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    "id": 6701,
    "subject": "Wolfe video part 2: Fifth Head of Cerberus",
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    "first": "2014-11-20T05:18:30+00:00",
    "last": "2014-11-22T05:42:35+00:00"
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      "from": {
        "name": "Marc Aramini",
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      "date": "2014-11-20T05:18:30+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth)  Wolfe video part 2: Fifth Head of Cerberus",
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          "text": "Well, here's part two of my youtube series ... almost did it in one take\nbut I flubbed food and drug administration and predendritic pretty badly.\nIt wound up being too long to cover Peace and New Sun.  I also meant to tie\nNaturalism and determinism to Peter Wright and Wolfe's own preference for\nLamarck over Darwin (Choice being a key) but I didn't get around to it - I\nwill next time.\n\nHope you guys enjoy!!!\n\nhttp://youtu.be/esAjkChAy7M"
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      "date": "2014-11-20T16:09:39+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Wolfe video part 2: Fifth Head of Cerberus",
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          "text": "This was great!  I was listening at work without watching the video, and\nyou *really* sound like a younger, more sprightly Michael Silverblatt at\ntimes.  It struck me that this would work well as a podcast.\n\nAlso, for the curious\n<http://www.mtv.com/videos/misc/715697/celebrity-deathmatch-jackie-chan-vs-jean-claude-van-damme.jhtml>\n."
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          "text": "On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 12:18 AM, Marc Aramini <marcaramini at gmail.com>\nwrote:\nWell, here's part two of my youtube series ... almost did it in one take\nbut I flubbed food and drug administration and predendritic pretty badly.\nIt wound up being too long to cover Peace and New Sun.  I also meant to tie\nNaturalism and determinism to Peter Wright and Wolfe's own preference for\nLamarck over Darwin (Choice being a key) but I didn't get around to it - I\nwill next time.\n\nHope you guys enjoy!!!\n\nhttp://youtu.be/esAjkChAy7M\n\n_______________________________________________"
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      "date": "2014-11-20T16:15:07+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Wolfe video part 2: Fifth Head of Cerberus",
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          "text": "Thanks Antonin ... and I haven't seen that clip in years!! \"Belgium ...\nwhich is famous for its ... waffles.\" Thanks for the link."
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          "text": "On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 8:09 AM, Antonin Scriabin <kierkegaurdian at gmail.com>\nwrote:\nThis was great!  I was listening at work without watching the video, and\nyou *really* sound like a younger, more sprightly Michael Silverblatt at\ntimes.  It struck me that this would work well as a podcast.\n\nAlso, for the curious\n<http://www.mtv.com/videos/misc/715697/celebrity-deathmatch-jackie-chan-vs-jean-claude-van-damme.jhtml>\n.\n\nOn Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 12:18 AM, Marc Aramini <marcaramini at gmail.com>\nwrote:"
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          "text": "Well, here's part two of my youtube series ... almost did it in one take\nbut I flubbed food and drug administration and predendritic pretty badly.\nIt wound up being too long to cover Peace and New Sun.  I also meant to tie\nNaturalism and determinism to Peter Wright and Wolfe's own preference for\nLamarck over Darwin (Choice being a key) but I didn't get around to it - I\nwill next time.\n\nHope you guys enjoy!!!\n\nhttp://youtu.be/esAjkChAy7M\n\n_______________________________________________"
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      "date": "2014-11-20T16:17:34+00:00",
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          "text": "I'll put my vote in for podcasts as well; these are really very good.\n\nOn Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 11:09 AM, Antonin Scriabin <kierkegaurdian at gmail.com"
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          "text": "This was great!  I was listening at work without watching the video, and\nyou *really* sound like a younger, more sprightly Michael Silverblatt at\ntimes.  It struck me that this would work well as a podcast.\n\nAlso, for the curious\n<http://www.mtv.com/videos/misc/715697/celebrity-deathmatch-jackie-chan-vs-jean-claude-van-damme.jhtml>\n.\n\nOn Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 12:18 AM, Marc Aramini <marcaramini at gmail.com>\nwrote:"
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          "text": "Well, here's part two of my youtube series ... almost did it in one take\nbut I flubbed food and drug administration and predendritic pretty badly.\nIt wound up being too long to cover Peace and New Sun.  I also meant to tie\nNaturalism and determinism to Peter Wright and Wolfe's own preference for\nLamarck over Darwin (Choice being a key) but I didn't get around to it - I\nwill next time.\n\nHope you guys enjoy!!!\n\nhttp://youtu.be/esAjkChAy7M\n\n_______________________________________________"
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      "date": "2014-11-20T16:21:37+00:00",
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          "text": "I don't know if I can get by on my looks with a podcast, though ...\n\nAs long as I can move my hands I guess the words will flow just as well."
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          "text": "On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 8:17 AM, Brad Henry <bradhenry101 at gmail.com> wrote:\nI'll put my vote in for podcasts as well; these are really very good.\n\nOn Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 11:09 AM, Antonin Scriabin <\nkierkegaurdian at gmail.com> wrote:"
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      "date": "2014-11-20T16:35:49+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Wolfe video part 2: Fifth Head of Cerberus",
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          "text": "There are some methods of subscribing to a YT channel as though it were a\npodcast, I'll try it on my end and see if it works.  As far as I know, you\nsubscribe to the RSS feed within the YT account, and then can access an mp3\nof the videos through a podcast app as they are released."
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          "text": "I'll put my vote in for podcasts as well; these are really very good.\n\nOn Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 11:09 AM, Antonin Scriabin <\nkierkegaurdian at gmail.com> wrote:"
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      "date": "2014-11-20T16:38:19+00:00",
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          "text": "One of the most interesting meta factors of the first video was the default\nclosed captioning.  It was bizarre.  Talk of \"jean shorts\" and mishearing\nwords as \"seriously shitty\" when I was talking about how great something\nwas.  Absolutely no correlation to the gist of what I was saying."
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          "text": "On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 8:35 AM, Antonin Scriabin <kierkegaurdian at gmail.com>\nwrote:\nThere are some methods of subscribing to a YT channel as though it were a\npodcast, I'll try it on my end and see if it works.  As far as I know, you\nsubscribe to the RSS feed within the YT account, and then can access an mp3\nof the videos through a podcast app as they are released.\n\nOn Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Marc Aramini <marcaramini at gmail.com>\nwrote:"
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          "text": "I'll put my vote in for podcasts as well; these are really very good.\n\nOn Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 11:09 AM, Antonin Scriabin <\nkierkegaurdian at gmail.com> wrote:"
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        "name": "Robert Pirkola",
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      "date": "2014-11-22T05:01:54+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth)  Wolfe video part 2: Fifth Head of Cerberus",
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          "text": "Finally had a chance to watch this second part tonight. ?I need to read FHC again\nto engage intelligently in any debate (or concurrence) but it is good to see\nthis discussion branching out. ?I firmly believe that there is an objective \"bottom\"\nto this story that just needs sussing out and we are not quite there yet. ?On a meta-note\nthe waistcoat was a step up from the first edition's blue shirt. \t\t \t   \t\t  "
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      "date": "2014-11-22T05:42:35+00:00",
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          "text": "Definitely read the entire article on Ultan's for textual support which I\ncouldn't get into on the video.\n\n Life cycle of Abos: larva, adult motile stage, tree \"carapace\" sessile\nstage.  Shadow children: infectious group organism. The middle story is\nboth literal and metaphorical in anthropomorphizing the shadow children.\n\nThe bite is the conclusion of the switching drama in a story, and it is the\nreason Marsch gives for being unable to write ... These misunderstood\nironic truths that seem like lies are a hallmark of Wolfe's style.\n\nYes the vest with a coat is my usual teaching style."
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          "text": "On Friday, November 21, 2014, Robert Pirkola <rpirkola at hotmail.com> wrote:\nFinally had a chance to watch this second part tonight.  I need to read\nFHC again\nto engage intelligently in any debate (or concurrence) but it is good to\nsee\nthis discussion branching out.  I firmly believe that there is an\nobjective \"bottom\"\nto this story that just needs sussing out and we are not quite there yet.\nOn a meta-note\nthe waistcoat was a step up from the first edition's blue shirt.\n_______________________________________________"
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