# The Archives are missing *The Urth list — 9 messages, 5 voices, 06 Apr 2015* > Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright > in each message remains with the person who wrote it. > Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original > archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than > retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact. --- ### David Stockhoff *06 Apr 2015, 14:03* I recall being upset by that as well. The cosmology was hard enough as it was. That statement collapsed everything into meaninglessness. > On 4/2/2015 3:18 PM, Robin B. Smith wrote: > I recall the equating of Setr with Garsecg and the confusion it caused > me, since at the time of reading I was aware of how exacting an author > Wolfe is. > > On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Charles Gillingham > > wrote: > > I'm sure this as been discussed before, but was the point of the > "I"? Was it a typo that Nettle left in? Or was that Horn saying, > after that point, he was a real character in the story, and not > some background character? Or was that just something Horn was > proud of doing? > > _______________________________________________ --- ### David Stockhoff *21 Apr 2015, 22:38 · in reply to David Stockhoff* I just encountered a new word---that is, a word that's new to me. Not, I'm sure, to this forum. The Greek root is only part of it, though its similarity to "Latro" is new to me too. I'll just quote from the Wiki and let people draw their own conclusions about Latro's name in the context of Wolfe's theories about gods and God. *Monolatrism or monolatry* (Greek: ????? (monos) = single, and ??????? (latreia) = worship) is the recognition of the existence of many gods, but with the consistent worship of only one deity. An example given is Akhenaten's heresy, Atenism. --- ### marcaramini *21 Apr 2015, 22:56 · follows David Stockhoff* Jives pretty well with my idea of what Latro is (ahura mazda incognito, learning to shun war in a trial run full of human suffering which will lead to the shifting from pagan gods to Christian monotheism as the pagan gods are reconciled to a new divine order) Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Alpha?, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: David Stockhoff Date: 04/21/2015 3:38 PM (GMT-07:00) To: The Urth Mailing List Subject: (urth) "Latro" I just encountered a new word---that is, a word that's new to me. Not, I'm sure, to this forum. The Greek root is only part of it, though its similarity to "Latro" is new to me too. I'll just quote from the Wiki and let people draw their own conclusions about Latro's name in the context of Wolfe's theories about gods and God. *Monolatrism or monolatry* (Greek: ????? (monos) = single, and ??????? (latreia) = worship) is the recognition of the existence of many gods, but with the consistent worship of only one deity. An example given is Akhenaten's heresy, Atenism. --- ### Mo Holkar *22 Apr 2015, 09:42 · in reply to David Stockhoff* "-latry" as a suffix can be found with a number of other prefixes, perhaps most familiarly in "idolatry". Of course Wolfe was thinking of the play on latro in Latin meaning thief, while latreia in Greek means worship: but it seems a bit of a stretch of inference to see hidden meaning in the "mono-" prefixed version specifically? best, Mo > At 23:38 21/04/2015, David wrote: > Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64I just > encountered a new word---that is, a word that's new to me. Not, > I'm sure, to this forum. The Greek root is only part of it, though its > similarity to "Latro" is new to me too. > > I'll just quote from the Wiki and let people > draw their own conclusions about Latro's name in > the context of Wolfe's theories about gods and God. > > *Monolatrism or monolatry* (Greek: > ????s??"?????2??6??v???d ?????????????H?]?ZXJHH????\ > H\?H?X????][?? of the existence of many gods, > but with the consistent worship of only one deity. > > An example given is Akhenaten's heresy, Atenism. > _______________________________________________ --- ### Dan'l Danehy-Oakes *22 Apr 2015, 15:42 · in reply to David Stockhoff* For what it's worth, "-latry" is an important term in Catholicism, usually in the form "latria." Latria is the worship to which only God is entititled; what we offer to the saints in general is "dulia," respect or reverence, and to Mary, "hyperdulia," extreme reverence. Wolfe just *might* know that...:) > On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 2:42 AM, Mo Holkar wrote: > "-latry" as a suffix can be found with a number of other prefixes, perhaps > most familiarly in "idolatry". Of course Wolfe was thinking of the play on > latro in Latin meaning thief, while latreia in Greek means worship: but it > seems a bit of a stretch of inference to see hidden meaning in the "mono-" > prefixed version specifically? > > best, > > Mo > > > > At 23:38 21/04/2015, David wrote: >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64I just encountered a new word---that is, >> a word that's new to me. Not, >> I'm sure, to this forum. The Greek root is only part of it, though its >> similarity to "Latro" is new to me too. >> >> I'll just quote from the Wiki and let people draw their own conclusions >> about Latro's name in the context of Wolfe's theories about gods and God. >> >> *Monolatrism or monolatry* (Greek: ????s??"?????2??6??v???d ??????? >> ?????H?]?ZXJHH????\ >> H\?H?X????][?? of the existence of many gods, but with the consistent >> worship of only one deity. >> >> An example given is Akhenaten's heresy, Atenism. >> _______________________________________________ --- ### David Stockhoff *22 Apr 2015, 16:36 · in reply to marcaramini* I hadn't heard your theory. Interesting! > On 4/21/2015 6:56 PM, marcaramini wrote: > Jives pretty well with my idea of what Latro is (ahura mazda > incognito, learning to shun war in a trial run full of human suffering > which will lead to the shifting from pagan gods to Christian > monotheism as the pagan gods are reconciled to a new divine order) > > > > Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Alpha?, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: David Stockhoff > Date: 04/21/2015 3:38 PM (GMT-07:00) > To: The Urth Mailing List > Subject: (urth) "Latro" > > I just encountered a new word---that is, a word that's new to me. Not, > I'm sure, to this forum. The Greek root is only part of it, though its > similarity to "Latro" is new to me too. > > I'll just quote from the Wiki and let people draw their own conclusions > about Latro's name in the context of Wolfe's theories about gods and God. > > *Monolatrism or monolatry* (Greek: ????? (monos) = single, and ??????? > (latreia) = worship) is the recognition of the existence of many gods, > but with the consistent worship of only one deity. > > An example given is Akhenaten's heresy, Atenism. > _______________________________________________ --- ### David Stockhoff *22 Apr 2015, 16:40 · in reply to Mo Holkar* Right, the "mono" is a separate idea from the "latry." It seems relevant on its own but it led me to "latry." Yes: thief/mercenary + worship(er) seems an interesting combination. Especially given how Latro seems to have received his head wound: despoiling a shrine after a battle, IIRC. > On 4/22/2015 5:42 AM, Mo Holkar wrote: > "-latry" as a suffix can be found with a number of other prefixes, > perhaps most familiarly in "idolatry". Of course Wolfe was thinking of > the play on latro in Latin meaning thief, while latreia in Greek means > worship: but it seems a bit of a stretch of inference to see hidden > meaning in the "mono-" prefixed version specifically? > > best, > > Mo > > > > At 23:38 21/04/2015, David wrote: >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64I just encountered a new word---that >> is, a word that's new to me. Not, >> I'm sure, to this forum. The Greek root is only part of it, though its >> similarity to "Latro" is new to me too. >> >> I'll just quote from the Wiki and let people draw their own >> conclusions about Latro's name in the context of Wolfe's theories >> about gods and God. >> >> *Monolatrism or monolatry* (Greek: ????s??"?????2??6??v???d >> ?????????????H?]?ZXJHH????\ >> H\?H?X????][?? of the existence of many gods, but with the consistent >> worship of only one deity. >> >> An example given is Akhenaten's heresy, Atenism. >> _______________________________________________ --- ### David Stockhoff *22 Apr 2015, 16:48 · in reply to Dan'l Danehy-Oakes* Huh! That suggests another dimension to "thief," since a thief takes what he is not "entitled" to. But I wouldn't know where to go from there, unless another god is involved. Thus, Marc's theory that Latro is Ahura Mazda fits, because AM would be taking God's rightful worship. I didn't know that meaning of "-dule," which I have always seen rendered as "slave." Hierodules need not be slaves at all. In fact, if they are analogous to saints, it might be debatable whether they are meant to give reverence or receive it. Or both. > On 4/22/2015 11:42 AM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote: > For what it's worth, "-latry" is an important term in Catholicism, > usually in the form "latria." Latria is the worship to which only God > is entititled; what we offer to the saints in general is "dulia," > respect or reverence, and to Mary, "hyperdulia," extreme reverence. > > Wolfe just *might* know that...:) > > On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 2:42 AM, Mo Holkar > wrote: > > "-latry" as a suffix can be found with a number of other prefixes, > perhaps most familiarly in "idolatry". Of course Wolfe was > thinking of the play on latro in Latin meaning thief, while > latreia in Greek means worship: but it seems a bit of a stretch of > inference to see hidden meaning in the "mono-" prefixed version > specifically? > > best, > > Mo > > > > At 23:38 21/04/2015, David wrote: > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64I just encountered a new > word---that is, a word that's new to me. Not, > I'm sure, to this forum. The Greek root is only part of it, > though its > similarity to "Latro" is new to me too. > > I'll just quote from the Wiki and let people draw their own > conclusions about Latro's name in the context of Wolfe's > theories about gods and God. > > *Monolatrism or monolatry* (Greek: ????s??"?????2??6??v???d > ??????? ?????H?]?ZXJHH????\ > H\?H?X????][?? of the existence of many gods, but with the > consistent worship of only one deity. > > An example given is Akhenaten's heresy, Atenism. > _______________________________________________ --- ### Jeffery Wilson clueland.com *22 Apr 2015, 18:20 · in reply to David Stockhoff* > On 4/21/2015 5:38 PM, David Stockhoff wrote: > I just encountered a new word---that is, a word that's new to me. Not, > I'm sure, to this forum. The Greek root is only part of it, though its > similarity to "Latro" is new to me too. "Idolatry" is similarly similar to "Latro" than "Monolatry". ``` Jeff Wilson - < jwilson at clueland.com > A&M Texarkana Computational Intelligence Lab < http://www.tamut.edu/cil > ``` ---