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This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 6753, "subject": "Adaptations?", "messages": 14, "voices": 10, "first": "2015-04-29T12:25:24+00:00", "last": "2015-04-30T14:16:17+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Andreas Johansson", "address": "andreas.havok at gmail.com" }, "date": "2015-04-29T12:25:24+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Adaptations?", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Hi,\n\nFirst of all, a great thanks to all of you out there debating and analyzing\nthe big and the small of all things Wolfean. It's severely enlightening,\nboth for understanding Wolfe in many more layers, and literature in\ngeneral. Now then, a question that arose recently as I began the BOTNS for\nI think a fourth time, while at the same time delving deep into Elder\nScrolls V: Skyrim - how wonderful wouldn't a \"sand box\" type of videogame,\nset in Severian's Urth? - so my question was, has there been any kind of\nadaptations of any of Gene Wolfe's works? Graphic novels, theatre\nproductions, short movies, anything? Given his massive output (more than\nfifty short stories, hehe), you'd think that somewhere, someone would've\npicked up the challenge.\n\nOf course, much of what makes Wolfe special is an inherent trait of the\nmedium that would be lost in a visual adaptation that loses the 1st person\nperspective... but his worlds are so bloody vivid and beautiful that they\nwould be a feast for any graphic artist to dig into, even if 70% of the\nin-text layers would be lost. Imagine a Moebius-style graphic novel based\non Urth of the New Sun... or as mentioned moving freely through a\n3d-rendered version of Nessus or Viron.\n\nOh by the way, which entry-point to Lafferty would you fellows suggest?\nHaven't read anything by him but thought it might be time.\n\nyrs,\n\nAndreas Johansson" } ] }, { "message_id": "<1073992191.427470.1430316469535.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "DAVID STOCKHOFF", "address": "dstockhoff at verizon.net" }, "date": "2015-04-29T14:07:49+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Adaptations?", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Hi Andreas\nI agree that Moebius would have been a great illustrator for BOTNS. I can see the panels very clearly in my mind.\nThere was a film project underway for The Island of Doctor Death and Other Stories, but I haven't heard any updates about it for a long while. Someone else will know. \n\n\n On Wednesday, April 29, 2015 8:25 AM, Andreas Johansson wrote:\n \n \n\n Hi,\nFirst of all, a great thanks to all of you out there debating and analyzing the big and the small of all things Wolfean. It's severely enlightening, both for understanding Wolfe in many more layers, and literature in general. Now then, a question that arose recently as I began the BOTNS for I think a fourth time, while at the same time delving deep into Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim - how wonderful wouldn't a \"sand box\" type of videogame, set in Severian's Urth? - so my question was, has there been any kind of adaptations of any of Gene Wolfe's works? Graphic novels, theatre productions, short movies, anything? Given his massive output (more than fifty short stories, hehe), you'd think that somewhere, someone would've picked up the challenge.\nOf course, much of what makes Wolfe special is an inherent trait of the medium that would be lost in a visual adaptation that loses the 1st person perspective... but his worlds are so bloody vivid and beautiful that they would be a feast for any graphic artist to dig into, even if 70% of the in-text layers would be lost. Imagine a Moebius-style graphic novel based on Urth of the New Sun... or as mentioned moving freely through a 3d-rendered version of Nessus or Viron.\nOh by the way, which entry-point to Lafferty would you fellows suggest? Haven't read anything by him but thought it might be time.\n\nyrs,\nAndreas Johansson" } ] }, { "message_id": "<0DA454A32913114C9CC19BB781FB907D02E19F@ETSUMB2.etsu.edu>", "from": { "name": "Norwood, Frederick Hudson", "address": "norwoodr at mail.etsu.edu" }, "date": "2015-04-29T14:57:53+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Adaptations?", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Entry point to Lafferty. “Continued on Next Rock”\n\nRick\n\nFrom: Urth [mailto:urth-bounces at lists.urth.net] On Behalf Of Andreas Johansson\nSent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 8:25 AM\nTo: urth at lists.urth.net\nSubject: (urth) Adaptations?\n\nHi,\n\nFirst of all, a great thanks to all of you out there debating and analyzing the big and the small of all things Wolfean. It's severely enlightening, both for understanding Wolfe in many more layers, and literature in general. Now then, a question that arose recently as I began the BOTNS for I think a fourth time, while at the same time delving deep into Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim - how wonderful wouldn't a \"sand box\" type of videogame, set in Severian's Urth? - so my question was, has there been any kind of adaptations of any of Gene Wolfe's works? Graphic novels, theatre productions, short movies, anything? Given his massive output (more than fifty short stories, hehe), you'd think that somewhere, someone would've picked up the challenge.\n\nOf course, much of what makes Wolfe special is an inherent trait of the medium that would be lost in a visual adaptation that loses the 1st person perspective... but his worlds are so bloody vivid and beautiful that they would be a feast for any graphic artist to dig into, even if 70% of the in-text layers would be lost. Imagine a Moebius-style graphic novel based on Urth of the New Sun... or as mentioned moving freely through a 3d-rendered version of Nessus or Viron.\n\nOh by the way, which entry-point to Lafferty would you fellows suggest? Haven't read anything by him but thought it might be time.\n\nyrs,\n\nAndreas Johansson" } ] }, { "message_id": "<7953C0E9-3521-4E23-BF28-D29FA8EFBC08@gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "António Pedro Marques", "address": "entonio at gmail.com" }, "date": "2015-04-29T15:12:49+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Adaptations?", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I have no idea, but I'm certainly *NOT* eager to see Wolfe transported into any other medium. I agree he provides much material for that, but I'd rather folks would get their material elsewhere or invent it themselves. \n\nIf it ends up being done, then I think it would be best left to unknown folks rather than Moebius or Jodorowsky or whoever. For much the same reason I wouldn't want Sean Connery to play Gandalf. (Tolkien, for instance, I have no qualms about being adapted to film or even games. I don't like the LotR movies, but that's for other reasons, and I think The Hobbit was acceptable.)\n\n\nNo dia 29/04/2015, ?s 13:25, Andreas Johansson escreveu:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Hi,\n\nFirst of all, a great thanks to all of you out there debating and analyzing the big and the small of all things Wolfean. It's severely enlightening, both for understanding Wolfe in many more layers, and literature in general. Now then, a question that arose recently as I began the BOTNS for I think a fourth time, while at the same time delving deep into Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim - how wonderful wouldn't a \"sand box\" type of videogame, set in Severian's Urth? - so my question was, has there been any kind of adaptations of any of Gene Wolfe's works? Graphic novels, theatre productions, short movies, anything? Given his massive output (more than fifty short stories, hehe), you'd think that somewhere, someone would've picked up the challenge. \n\nOf course, much of what makes Wolfe special is an inherent trait of the medium that would be lost in a visual adaptation that loses the 1st person perspective... but his worlds are so bloody vivid and beautiful that they would be a feast for any graphic artist to dig into, even if 70% of the in-text layers would be lost. Imagine a Moebius-style graphic novel based on Urth of the New Sun... or as mentioned moving freely through a 3d-rendered version of Nessus or Viron.\n\nOh by the way, which entry-point to Lafferty would you fellows suggest? Haven't read anything by him but thought it might be time.\n\nyrs,\nAndreas Johansson\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes", "address": "danldo at gmail.com" }, "date": "2015-04-29T15:34:38+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Adaptations?", "in_reply_to": "<0DA454A32913114C9CC19BB781FB907D02E19F@ETSUMB2.etsu.edu>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "The only adaptation I know of which actually was completed was the \"radio\nplay\" of \"The Tree Is My Hat,\" which featured Neil Gaiman as the Reverend,\nwhich was performed at some con, recorded, and is probably available on the\nWeb somewhere." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 7:57 AM, Norwood, Frederick Hudson <\nNORWOODR at mail.etsu.edu> wrote:\n Entry point to Lafferty. “Continued on Next Rock”\n\n\n\nRick\n\n\n\n*From:* Urth [mailto:urth-bounces at lists.urth.net] *On Behalf Of *Andreas\nJohansson\n*Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2015 8:25 AM\n*To:* urth at lists.urth.net\n*Subject:* (urth) Adaptations?\n\n\n\nHi,\n\n\n\nFirst of all, a great thanks to all of you out there debating and\nanalyzing the big and the small of all things Wolfean. It's severely\nenlightening, both for understanding Wolfe in many more layers, and\nliterature in general. Now then, a question that arose recently as I began\nthe BOTNS for I think a fourth time, while at the same time delving deep\ninto Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim - how wonderful wouldn't a \"sand box\" type of\nvideogame, set in Severian's Urth? - so my question was, has there been any\nkind of adaptations of any of Gene Wolfe's works? Graphic novels, theatre\nproductions, short movies, anything? Given his massive output (more than\nfifty short stories, hehe), you'd think that somewhere, someone would've\npicked up the challenge.\n\n\n\nOf course, much of what makes Wolfe special is an inherent trait of the\nmedium that would be lost in a visual adaptation that loses the 1st person\nperspective... but his worlds are so bloody vivid and beautiful that they\nwould be a feast for any graphic artist to dig into, even if 70% of the\nin-text layers would be lost. Imagine a Moebius-style graphic novel based\non Urth of the New Sun... or as mentioned moving freely through a\n3d-rendered version of Nessus or Viron.\n\n\n\nOh by the way, which entry-point to Lafferty would you fellows suggest?\nHaven't read anything by him but thought it might be time.\n\n\n\nyrs,\n\nAndreas Johansson\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<901949516.516326.1430322707568.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "DAVID STOCKHOFF", "address": "dstockhoff at verizon.net" }, "date": "2015-04-29T15:51:47+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Adaptations?", "in_reply_to": "<7953C0E9-3521-4E23-BF28-D29FA8EFBC08@gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Nay, the Hobbit movie was an abomination! Prepare to defend yourself, sir! \n\n\n On Wednesday, April 29, 2015 11:12 AM, Ant?nio Pedro Marques wrote:\n \n \n\n I have no idea, but I'm certainly *NOT* eager to see Wolfe transported into any other medium. I agree he provides much material for that, but I'd rather folks would get their material elsewhere or invent it themselves.\nIf it ends up being done, then I think it would be best left to unknown folks rather than Moebius or Jodorowsky or whoever. For much the same reason I wouldn't want Sean Connery to play Gandalf. (Tolkien, for instance, I have no qualms about being adapted to film or even games. I don't like the LotR movies, but that's for other reasons, and I think The Hobbit was acceptable.)\n\n\nNo dia 29/04/2015, ?s 13:25, Andreas Johansson escreveu:\n\n\nHi,\nFirst of all, a great thanks to all of you out there debating and analyzing the big and the small of all things Wolfean. It's severely enlightening, both for understanding Wolfe in many more layers, and literature in general. Now then, a question that arose recently as I began the BOTNS for I think a fourth time, while at the same time delving deep into Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim - how wonderful wouldn't a \"sand box\" type of videogame, set in Severian's Urth? - so my question was, has there been any kind of adaptations of any of Gene Wolfe's works? Graphic novels, theatre productions, short movies, anything? Given his massive output (more than fifty short stories, hehe), you'd think that somewhere, someone would've picked up the challenge.\nOf course, much of what makes Wolfe special is an inherent trait of the medium that would be lost in a visual adaptation that loses the 1st person perspective... but his worlds are so bloody vivid and beautiful that they would be a feast for any graphic artist to dig into, even if 70% of the in-text layers would be lost. Imagine a Moebius-style graphic novel based on Urth of the New Sun... or as mentioned moving freely through a 3d-rendered version of Nessus or Viron.\nOh by the way, which entry-point to Lafferty would you fellows suggest? Haven't read anything by him but thought it might be time.\n\nyrs,\nAndreas Johansson" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "aaron", "address": "aaronsingleton at gmail.com" }, "date": "2015-04-29T20:26:37+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Adaptations?", "in_reply_to": "<901949516.516326.1430322707568.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I certainly wouldn't wish to see any Wolfe adaptation directed by\nJodorowski. Perhaps Darren Aronofsky? Kubrick would be my first choice, but\nthat of course is impossible. But imagining a Wolfe movie directed by\nKubrick? Awe inspiring." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 11:51 AM, DAVID STOCKHOFF \nwrote:\nNay, the Hobbit movie was an abomination! Prepare to defend yourself, sir!\n\n\n\n On Wednesday, April 29, 2015 11:12 AM, Ant?nio Pedro Marques <\nentonio at gmail.com> wrote:\n\n\n\nI have no idea, but I'm certainly *NOT* eager to see Wolfe transported\ninto any other medium. I agree he provides much material for that, but I'd\nrather folks would get their material elsewhere or invent it themselves.\n\nIf it ends up being done, then I think it would be best left to unknown\nfolks rather than Moebius or Jodorowsky or whoever. For much the same\nreason I wouldn't want Sean Connery to play Gandalf. (Tolkien, for\ninstance, I have no qualms about being adapted to film or even games. I\ndon't like the LotR movies, but that's for other reasons, and I think The\nHobbit was acceptable.)\n\n\nNo dia 29/04/2015, ?s 13:25, Andreas Johansson \nescreveu:\n\nHi,\n\nFirst of all, a great thanks to all of you out there debating and\nanalyzing the big and the small of all things Wolfean. It's severely\nenlightening, both for understanding Wolfe in many more layers, and\nliterature in general. Now then, a question that arose recently as I began\nthe BOTNS for I think a fourth time, while at the same time delving deep\ninto Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim - how wonderful wouldn't a \"sand box\" type of\nvideogame, set in Severian's Urth? - so my question was, has there been any\nkind of adaptations of any of Gene Wolfe's works? Graphic novels, theatre\nproductions, short movies, anything? Given his massive output (more than\nfifty short stories, hehe), you'd think that somewhere, someone would've\npicked up the challenge.\n\nOf course, much of what makes Wolfe special is an inherent trait of the\nmedium that would be lost in a visual adaptation that loses the 1st person\nperspective... but his worlds are so bloody vivid and beautiful that they\nwould be a feast for any graphic artist to dig into, even if 70% of the\nin-text layers would be lost. Imagine a Moebius-style graphic novel based\non Urth of the New Sun... or as mentioned moving freely through a\n3d-rendered version of Nessus or Viron.\n\nOh by the way, which entry-point to Lafferty would you fellows suggest?\nHaven't read anything by him but thought it might be time.\n\nyrs,\nAndreas Johansson\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "António Pedro Marques", "address": "entonio at gmail.com" }, "date": "2015-04-30T00:32:41+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Adaptations?", "in_reply_to": "<901949516.516326.1430322707568.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "No dia 29/04/2015, ?s 16:51, DAVID STOCKHOFF escreveu:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Nay, the Hobbit movie was an abomination! Prepare to defend yourself, sir!" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": ":)\nMy opinion is that while LotR was mangled into an s&s bore _for no reason or with no need whatsoever_, The Hobbit was mildly adulterated on the surface but not the essence and it was to fill cinematic and cinematologic purposes.\n\nWhat bothers me the most is the 'for no reason and with no need' (except, of course, the director deciding he's a better writer than the writer) thing. I'm quite lenient when sins have some kind of purpose, but sinning for sinning's sake is unforgivable. " }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Wednesday, April 29, 2015 11:12 AM, Ant?nio Pedro Marques wrote:\n\n\nI have no idea, but I'm certainly *NOT* eager to see Wolfe transported into any other medium. I agree he provides much material for that, but I'd rather folks would get their material elsewhere or invent it themselves. \n\nIf it ends up being done, then I think it would be best left to unknown folks rather than Moebius or Jodorowsky or whoever. For much the same reason I wouldn't want Sean Connery to play Gandalf. (Tolkien, for instance, I have no qualms about being adapted to film or even games. I don't like the LotR movies, but that's for other reasons, and I think The Hobbit was acceptable.)\n\n\nNo dia 29/04/2015, ?s 13:25, Andreas Johansson escreveu:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Hi,\n\nFirst of all, a great thanks to all of you out there debating and analyzing the big and the small of all things Wolfean. It's severely enlightening, both for understanding Wolfe in many more layers, and literature in general. Now then, a question that arose recently as I began the BOTNS for I think a fourth time, while at the same time delving deep into Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim - how wonderful wouldn't a \"sand box\" type of videogame, set in Severian's Urth? - so my question was, has there been any kind of adaptations of any of Gene Wolfe's works? Graphic novels, theatre productions, short movies, anything? Given his massive output (more than fifty short stories, hehe), you'd think that somewhere, someone would've picked up the challenge. \n\nOf course, much of what makes Wolfe special is an inherent trait of the medium that would be lost in a visual adaptation that loses the 1st person perspective... but his worlds are so bloody vivid and beautiful that they would be a feast for any graphic artist to dig into, even if 70% of the in-text layers would be lost. Imagine a Moebius-style graphic novel based on Urth of the New Sun... or as mentioned moving freely through a 3d-rendered version of Nessus or Viron.\n\nOh by the way, which entry-point to Lafferty would you fellows suggest? Haven't read anything by him but thought it might be time.\n\nyrs,\nAndreas Johansson\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<5541DA6A.7070600@bindweed.com>", "from": { "name": "Gerry Quinn", "address": "gerry at bindweed.com" }, "date": "2015-04-30T07:31:54+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Adaptations?", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "A few years ago, there was talk about a graphic novel version of Book of \nthe New Sun - some excerpts were posted. (Unless they were just example \nimages from a proposed project?)\n\n- Gerry Quinn" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 29/04/2015 21:26, aaron wrote:\nI certainly wouldn't wish to see any Wolfe adaptation directed by \nJodorowski. Perhaps Darren Aronofsky? Kubrick would be my first \nchoice, but that of course is impossible. But imagining a Wolfe movie \ndirected by Kubrick? Awe inspiring.\n\nOn Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 11:51 AM, DAVID STOCKHOFF \n> wrote:\n\n Nay, the Hobbit movie was an abomination! Prepare to defend\n yourself, sir!\n\n\n\n On Wednesday, April 29, 2015 11:12 AM, Ant?nio Pedro Marques\n > wrote:\n\n\n\n I have no idea, but I'm certainly *NOT* eager to see Wolfe\n transported into any other medium. I agree he provides much\n material for that, but I'd rather folks would get their\n material elsewhere or invent it themselves.\n\n If it ends up being done, then I think it would be best left\n to unknown folks rather than Moebius or Jodorowsky or whoever.\n For much the same reason I wouldn't want Sean Connery to play\n Gandalf. (Tolkien, for instance, I have no qualms about being\n adapted to film or even games. I don't like the LotR movies,\n but that's for other reasons, and I think The Hobbit was\n acceptable.)\n\n\n No dia 29/04/2015, ?s 13:25, Andreas Johansson\n >\n escreveu:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": " Hi,\n\n First of all, a great thanks to all of you out there debating\n and analyzing the big and the small of all things Wolfean.\n It's severely enlightening, both for understanding Wolfe in\n many more layers, and literature in general. Now then, a\n question that arose recently as I began the BOTNS for I think\n a fourth time, while at the same time delving deep into Elder\n Scrolls V: Skyrim - how wonderful wouldn't a \"sand box\" type\n of videogame, set in Severian's Urth? - so my question was,\n has there been any kind of adaptations of any of Gene Wolfe's\n works? Graphic novels, theatre productions, short movies,\n anything? Given his massive output (more than fifty short\n stories, hehe), you'd think that somewhere, someone would've\n picked up the challenge.\n\n Of course, much of what makes Wolfe special is an inherent\n trait of the medium that would be lost in a visual adaptation\n that loses the 1st person perspective... but his worlds are\n so bloody vivid and beautiful that they would be a feast for\n any graphic artist to dig into, even if 70% of the in-text\n layers would be lost. Imagine a Moebius-style graphic novel\n based on Urth of the New Sun... or as mentioned moving freely\n through a 3d-rendered version of Nessus or Viron.\n\n Oh by the way, which entry-point to Lafferty would you\n fellows suggest? Haven't read anything by him but thought it\n might be time.\n\n yrs,\n Andreas Johansson\n _______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<0DA454A32913114C9CC19BB781FB907D02E30A@ETSUMB2.etsu.edu>", "from": { "name": "Norwood, Frederick Hudson", "address": "norwoodr at mail.etsu.edu" }, "date": "2015-04-30T11:56:59+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Adaptations?", "in_reply_to": "<5541DA6A.7070600@bindweed.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I agree with those who see no point in Wolfe adaptations, since his language is essential to his story. Of course, there is nothing like a blockbuster movie to help book sales. Pirate Freedom starring Johnny Depp?\n\nRick\n\nFrom: Urth [mailto:urth-bounces at lists.urth.net] On Behalf Of Gerry Quinn\nSent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 3:32 AM\nTo: The Urth Mailing List\nSubject: Re: (urth) Adaptations?\n\nA few years ago, there was talk about a graphic novel version of Book of the New Sun - some excerpts were posted. (Unless they were just example images from a proposed project?)\n\n- Gerry Quinn\n\nOn 29/04/2015 21:26, aaron wrote:\nI certainly wouldn't wish to see any Wolfe adaptation directed by Jodorowski. Perhaps Darren Aronofsky? Kubrick would be my first choice, but that of course is impossible. But imagining a Wolfe movie directed by Kubrick? Awe inspiring.\n\nOn Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 11:51 AM, DAVID STOCKHOFF > wrote:\nNay, the Hobbit movie was an abomination! Prepare to defend yourself, sir!\n\n\nOn Wednesday, April 29, 2015 11:12 AM, Ant?nio Pedro Marques > wrote:\n\nI have no idea, but I'm certainly *NOT* eager to see Wolfe transported into any other medium. I agree he provides much material for that, but I'd rather folks would get their material elsewhere or invent it themselves.\n\nIf it ends up being done, then I think it would be best left to unknown folks rather than Moebius or Jodorowsky or whoever. For much the same reason I wouldn't want Sean Connery to play Gandalf. (Tolkien, for instance, I have no qualms about being adapted to film or even games. I don't like the LotR movies, but that's for other reasons, and I think The Hobbit was acceptable.)\n\nNo dia 29/04/2015, ?s 13:25, Andreas Johansson > escreveu:\nHi,\n\nFirst of all, a great thanks to all of you out there debating and analyzing the big and the small of all things Wolfean. It's severely enlightening, both for understanding Wolfe in many more layers, and literature in general. Now then, a question that arose recently as I began the BOTNS for I think a fourth time, while at the same time delving deep into Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim - how wonderful wouldn't a \"sand box\" type of videogame, set in Severian's Urth? - so my question was, has there been any kind of adaptations of any of Gene Wolfe's works? Graphic novels, theatre productions, short movies, anything? Given his massive output (more than fifty short stories, hehe), you'd think that somewhere, someone would've picked up the challenge.\n\nOf course, much of what makes Wolfe special is an inherent trait of the medium that would be lost in a visual adaptation that loses the 1st person perspective... but his worlds are so bloody vivid and beautiful that they would be a feast for any graphic artist to dig into, even if 70% of the in-text layers would be lost. Imagine a Moebius-style graphic novel based on Urth of the New Sun... or as mentioned moving freely through a 3d-rendered version of Nessus or Viron.\n\nOh by the way, which entry-point to Lafferty would you fellows suggest? Haven't read anything by him but thought it might be time.\n\nyrs,\nAndreas Johansson" }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Aaron Singleton" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "larry miller", "address": "decanus1284 at gmail.com" }, "date": "2015-04-30T12:03:13+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Adaptations?", "in_reply_to": "<5541DA6A.7070600@bindweed.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Francis Ford Coppola said that for Bram Stokers Dracula (1992) he set out\nto make a film where \"the costumes were the sets and the sets acted as the\nlighting.\" I think this would probably be the best approach in a film\nadaptation of book of the New Sun. I think that would be quite appropriate\nconsidering wolf was inspired by a costume party to create Severian, the\nnumber of characters who wear masks, and would overall add to that \"stage\nplay\" feeling the book has." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Apr 30, 2015 3:32 AM, \"Gerry Quinn\" wrote:\n A few years ago, there was talk about a graphic novel version of Book of\nthe New Sun - some excerpts were posted. (Unless they were just example\nimages from a proposed project?)\n\n- Gerry Quinn\n\n\nOn 29/04/2015 21:26, aaron wrote:\n\nI certainly wouldn't wish to see any Wolfe adaptation directed by\nJodorowski. Perhaps Darren Aronofsky? Kubrick would be my first choice, but\nthat of course is impossible. But imagining a Wolfe movie directed by\nKubrick? Awe inspiring.\n\nOn Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 11:51 AM, DAVID STOCKHOFF \nwrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": " Nay, the Hobbit movie was an abomination! Prepare to defend yourself,\nsir!\n\n\n\n On Wednesday, April 29, 2015 11:12 AM, Ant?nio Pedro Marques <\nentonio at gmail.com> wrote:\n\n\n\n I have no idea, but I'm certainly *NOT* eager to see Wolfe transported\ninto any other medium. I agree he provides much material for that, but I'd\nrather folks would get their material elsewhere or invent it themselves.\n\n If it ends up being done, then I think it would be best left to unknown\nfolks rather than Moebius or Jodorowsky or whoever. For much the same\nreason I wouldn't want Sean Connery to play Gandalf. (Tolkien, for\ninstance, I have no qualms about being adapted to film or even games. I\ndon't like the LotR movies, but that's for other reasons, and I think The\nHobbit was acceptable.)\n\n\nNo dia 29/04/2015, ?s 13:25, Andreas Johansson \nescreveu:\n\n Hi,\n\n First of all, a great thanks to all of you out there debating and\nanalyzing the big and the small of all things Wolfean. It's severely\nenlightening, both for understanding Wolfe in many more layers, and\nliterature in general. Now then, a question that arose recently as I began\nthe BOTNS for I think a fourth time, while at the same time delving deep\ninto Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim - how wonderful wouldn't a \"sand box\" type of\nvideogame, set in Severian's Urth? - so my question was, has there been any\nkind of adaptations of any of Gene Wolfe's works? Graphic novels, theatre\nproductions, short movies, anything? Given his massive output (more than\nfifty short stories, hehe), you'd think that somewhere, someone would've\npicked up the challenge.\n\n Of course, much of what makes Wolfe special is an inherent trait of the\nmedium that would be lost in a visual adaptation that loses the 1st person\nperspective... but his worlds are so bloody vivid and beautiful that they\nwould be a feast for any graphic artist to dig into, even if 70% of the\nin-text layers would be lost. Imagine a Moebius-style graphic novel based\non Urth of the New Sun... or as mentioned moving freely through a\n3d-rendered version of Nessus or Viron.\n\n Oh by the way, which entry-point to Lafferty would you fellows suggest?\nHaven't read anything by him but thought it might be time.\n\n yrs,\n Andreas Johansson\n\n _______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Matthew King", "address": "automatthew at gmail.com" }, "date": "2015-04-30T13:44:12+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Adaptations?", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I've toyed with the idea of a film adaptation of the first two Soldier books that takes place entirely in Latro's memory palace. He wanders the palace touching items, recovering segments of memory. The memory scenes are elliptical and need not be in chronological order. Thus the disjointed narrative of the books is preserved.\n\nTraduttore, traditore.\n\nThis approach might actually work better as a video game." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Lee", "address": "severiansola at hotmail.com" }, "date": "2015-04-30T13:44:58+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Adaptations?", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "larry miller: I think that would be quite appropriate\nconsidering wolf was inspired by a costume party to create Severian, the\nnumber of characters who wear masks, and would overall add to that \"stage\nplay\" feeling the book has." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Yes. A play with a deus ex machina or two dropping in to make an appearance. \t\t \t \t\t " } ] }, { "message_id": "<0DA454A32913114C9CC19BB781FB907D02E3DC@ETSUMB2.etsu.edu>", "from": { "name": "Norwood, Frederick Hudson", "address": "norwoodr at mail.etsu.edu" }, "date": "2015-04-30T14:16:17+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Adaptations?", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "How about a video game where the player had to read The Book of the New Sun, and then play a game where the character had to understand the finer points of the book?\n\nRick\n\n-----Original Message-----\nFrom: Urth [mailto:urth-bounces at lists.urth.net] On Behalf Of Matthew King\nSent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 9:44 AM\nTo: The Urth Mailing List\nSubject: Re: (urth) Adaptations?\n\nI've toyed with the idea of a film adaptation of the first two Soldier books that takes place entirely in Latro's memory palace. He wanders the palace touching items, recovering segments of memory. The memory scenes are elliptical and need not be in chronological order. Thus the disjointed narrative of the books is preserved.\n\nTraduttore, traditore.\n\nThis approach might actually work better as a video game." } ] } ] }